[dragon] dishonour deck for comment

[Barry Kunz]

Dragon dishonor is near and dear to my heart so I'd be happy to go over this 
deck for you.  Especially since I'll be updating my Gencon deck with some of 
the new cards from the last 3 sets and giving Dragon Dishonor another go in 
Gold.


>From: "Ben Moss" <ben at strangecompany.org>
>
>Here's an attempt at as pure a dragon dishonour deck as I can make at >the 
>moment (I've spent most of the last two days sorting cards and my >head is 
>beginning to swim somewhat).
>Shiro Mirumoto
>Toturi Tsudao

Tsudao is a must for those times when you might get the favor.  You need all 
the defensive help you can get since you can't back too much military meta 
in the fate.

>Dynasty (41)
>
>3x Trading Grounds
>3x Gold Mine
>3x Jade Works
>3x House of the Red Lotus
>2x Sanctified Temple
>2x Diamond Mine
>1x Ki-Rin Shrine EXP

Diamond Mines as primary gold will be too slow for this deck.  You'd be 
better served to include a copy of Izaku Library instead.

>
>Imperial Gift
>Welcome Home
>Suspicions
In Time of War
Bitter Vengence
Revering the Past

You could think about skipping the honor events but I do like playing them 
in order to deny them to your opponent.

>
>2x Sorrow's Path

These might be removed if we have to many cards in the fate deck.

>
>3x Tamori Chieko
>2x Tamori Chosai

Replace with 3 x the stick 1/2 3 gold cost promo shugenja that came in the 
second herald whose name I can't remember or find because Legendary doesn't 
have her.

>3x Tamori Shaitung
>3x Mirumoto Tsuge

2 x The Wandering Monk instead.  He is important against players who either 
don't have or won't bring into play non-samurai.  This way, the monk visits 
them and you quickly secrets/shame him.

>3x Soul of Doji Shizue
>1x Togashi Satsu
>1x Soul of Bayushi Goshiu
>1x Yogo Tjeki
>1x Doji Reju xp2
>1x Ki-Rin
>
>Fate (41)
>
>2x Avoid Fate
Don't bother in this deck.  Play two biting steels instead.  They are great 
just before you attach secrets or when you need to go military.
>3x Deeds not Words
>3x Slander
I'm not opposed to this card being in a dishonor deck but not 3 copies of 
it.  Keep one and put 2 x Marries a Barbarian here.
>3x Shame
>2x Company you Keep
>3x Dragon Tattoo

Doesn't serve enough purpose in this deck in my opinion.  2 x Remorseful 
seppuku here.

>3x Iaijutsu Challenge
>2x Iaijutsu Lesson

I'd run 2 challenges and 3 arts here.  The arts let you dishonor peeps when 
you can't find a secrets.

>
>3x Winds Truth
>3x Purity of Spirit

consider 3 x poisoned weapon to go with the arts as p-kill.  Not sure how 
effective this might be with all the 4+ chi peeps running around.  At the 
very least, it gives you some honor losses to zing around.  Which reminds me 
that you should probably run ambush as well for p-kill against bowed and 
dishonor peeps.
>
>3x Secrets on the Wind
>3x Walking the Way

Drop one of these for an ambush.

>3x Fist of Osano Wo

Drop one of these for a second ambush.

>1x Purity of the Seven Thunders
>
>1x Kabuki Mask

This only helps you with Nagori's ability because Bayushi Kaukatsu's ability 
is NOT political.  Not sure it's worth it.

>1x Celestial Sword of the Dragon
>1x Bitter
>1x Judgement
>
>It may be a little weak on the anti-military but with any luck you >should 
>be able to hit them with some early dishonour and prevent them >ever 
>building a stable personality base.  I've been toying with using >Shosuro 
>Yasuko but I don't know who to take out.  There isn't enough >direct honour 
>loss to take out the suspicions and therefore the Shizue >clones need to 
>stay, which means it'd have to be Chosai (high hr) or >Shaitung (high cost) 
>that went.  It's also be nice to get the ring of >air in there somewhere.

Yasuko is an interesting idea but she only helps you against military decks. 
  I agree that there isn't enough direct honor loss but that's always been 
the case in gold for dishonor.

>I've probably missed something really obvious in there (several things 
> >have been added as I've been writing this as I remember cards that I 
> >forgot) but I'm sure everyone else will pick up on that.
>
>Hitomi Touken

I plan to work on a pure dishonor dragon deck in the coming weeks.  Keep an 
eye on the list for an update on what I think works after I've had a chance 
to play my deck with some of the newer cards.  Some of the advice above 
might suck because I haven't been able to play dishonor recently so take it 
with a grain of salt.

I have been able to play the Vacationing Monk deck and I beat my own 
Attrition honor deck twice with a nasty visit from a monk.  I got my brother 
to monkey my honor deck while I played the Planner.  In one game, my brother 
got to 35 honor the turn after I finally got a wandering monk out.  I 
quickly caused him 80 points of honor loss on my next turn thanks to a 20 
chi visiting monk with a porcelain mask, 3 Eijis and a kabuki mask. :)

Togashi Zembu
Dragon Clan Hatamoto
Herald of the New Dawn



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