[dragon] An *Average* Dragon Deck
mirumoto_ryudo at hotmail.com
Mon May 27 23:32:00 EDT 2002
>From: "Rob Bowman" <bowman_rob at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: dragon at michonline.com
>To: dragon at michonline.com, hdm at thedragonclan.com
>Subject: [dragon] An *Average* Dragon Deck
>Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 22:06:19 +0000
>Well Guys and Gals I have just spent the last few hours tearing thru 9
>different deck lists, all devolped by people who on their worst day are my
>equal if not my better. Most of these decks are public record, although a
>few are not. The important point is that these decks come from the best
>Clan has to offer, these are all people we can learn from.
>Now there is an amazing thing when you average data, you get some amazingly
>accurate results. The more accurate the data, the more perfect the results
>(Note the point about how good the players are whose decks I took :)). And
>that is where the name comes from, as average is how the deck was
>constructed, not it's performance. At least I hope ;p!!
>I did though find some interesting things and confirmed some long held
>beliefs. The biggest confirmed belief is that the Dynasty Deck is truly
>easy/ier to build. There was very little variation, and if you chose to
>stray from the archtype, well, you have been warned ;).
>Over on the Fate side however, the variation was immense. Some choices
>choosing to play Flattery with Campsites was easy. Some choices where just
>short of confounding. Like I said these are people to learn from...
><scratch head ;)>.
>What I will do is break down my deck by card type with comments after each
>type. Feel free to comment and Hokosaki-san, if you think this deck worthy
>feel free to add it to your wonderful site. I have included the #
>apperances per decks after each card. I have not marked cards as Unique or
>not, so you will have to filter the raw data ;).
Maybe I can help you out Rob-san :)
>Shiryo Mirumoto (9/9)
Tsk, tsk. Its Shiro. Silly Rob. :)
>Tsuge x3 (27/9)
>Cheiko x3 (27/9)
>Chosai x3 (25/9)
>Shaitung x2 (13/27)
>Nyima x2 (10/9)
>Daisuke x2 (13/27)
Hmm..I would probably put in Ukira here not Daisuke. His chi is terrible and
his cavalry is next to useless in the decktype.
>Okay, somebody explain how you leave out Reju in a dueling honor archtype
>;)? Seriously I am still thinking of Ukira (3/9) instead of Daisuke, due
>my Fate deck choices, but I think I need to play test as is first. The
>other peeps even mentioned were Tadoa (sp) (too new?), Ros (5/9), Kagetora
>(2/9), and Yemi (3/9).
Its Tadao FYI :) He isnt quite necessary with the obscene amounts of
Shugenja you already have. Maybe Rosanjin..but I like Ukira best. :)
>Imp Gift (9/9)
>Welcome Home (9/9)
>Others mentioned, Chrys Fest (2/9), Boastful (3/9) Bitter Vengence, and
>Matter of Pride.
I was running Bitter Vengeance....till I discovered it sucks. ;)
>TG x3 (14/9)
>GM x3 (27/9)
>JW x3 (27/9)
>HD x3 (25/9)
>ST x3 (26/9)
I wouldnt put in 1 KTT...kinda useless. I mean you already have 15 gold
producing holdings. If you want more there is always SF :)
>The KTT is a compromise for those who say FG x2 and those who say more
> I will see how this works... <shrug>. Most people from our list went
>TG x3, most non-list Dragon players went SF and usually GH. Only one
>choose both TG and SF. I have done the math, so I know my choice, as
>always, ymmv. Only other holding mentioned more than once were GH (6/9)
>Temple of the Dragon (3/9)
>Sorrows Path x2
umm Campsite...yeah. Even without Flattery it kicks ass.
>7 out of 9 decks used Regions and all of these chose either SP or Campsite.
>I am working the PK angle so SP was my choice. This has an impact on my
>Fate as we shall see.
>The Fate side was amazingly varied as I have said. The only card
>agreed on was the Celestial Sword. After that only 2 other card appeared
>every deck and that was BSL and Wind's Truth, although the quantity varied
>for each. Bottom line is here is what seperates very good from great.
>I will note at this time that Flores was the only person not playing
> He played Sezaru, and used Elegant fricking Kimono, for the following
>reason, and I quote...
>"A) How devastating is card drawing in any of the
>forms of cycling or drawing?
>I found Kyuden Hida was able to keep up with me
>in cards, due to their box as well as Ashigarus.
>Other clans weren't as fortunate, and I was able to
>filter down into what I needed at an alarming rate.
>Even the games I lost, I was able to find what I
>needed at the time, even though it wasn't enough
>to stop the outcome."
>Which brings me to my question, only one person of the nine played I
> I swear by this card for the above reason and planty more. Anybody want
>to let me in on what I am missing? Note, as I have done the math, you will
>have to have a pretty solid arguement.
>The other item of note is that I am still messing with Secrets/Judgement.
>Nobody with a top deck was, although Armor of Shadows/Mask/For the Empire
>was. I am pretty sure I see a relationship here (although the For the
>Empire angle gives me hope :)), but I am fighting the urge to see the
>obvious ;). Comments on this are also welcomed.
>Celestial Sword (9/9)
>Imp Standard (7/9)
>Judgement (0/9 :()
1 Judgement and 1 Secrets = Never get either when you need them.
>As noted Elegant Kimono (5/9), Armor of Shadows (2/9), and Mask of Fu Leng
>(1/9) also appeared occasionly. Other than one deck cameos by Laterns and
>Bitter, that's about it.
>This card type was across the board. Some decks had 6 followers and some,
>like me, had none. Here are a few choices, Elite Spearmen (6/9), House
>Guard (2/9), Vetern Sam (3/9), Warriors of the Great climb (2/9), Shield
>Wall (2/9), and Hunting Tiger (1/9).
>Walking x2 (17/9)
>Torrential x2 (17/9)
>Secrets (0/9 :()
>Other consistent spell choices are Fist (8/9) and ToD (6/9).
>Winds Truth x3 (26/9)
>Purity of Spirit x2 (10/9)
>Flee the Darkness (2/9)
1 Flee....c'mon Rob..thats like 2 non-unique fate cards in a deck. Use your
mad math skills to figure out how often you will draw one. :)
>Only othe Kiho mentioned was Ryoshun's Last Words.
>Dragon Tat x2 (15/9)
>Snow Crane Tat x2 (12/9)
>Crab Tat (8/9)
sigh...I give up ;)
Your honor deck is going to intentionally lose 5 honor? I wouldnt..but..
>I Duel x3 (20/9)
>I Lesson x3 (3/9)
>I Challenge x2 (18/9)
>TDWWM x2 (11/9)
>BSL x2 (25/9)
I would have 3
>Deeds x2 (12/9)
>Sup Tac x2 (16/9)
>FYK x2 (11/9)
Put in RoE instead...you will never get a RoV out with Shiro Mirumoto
>I am already suspect of RoV (esp w/ I Lesson), I Challenge (again I Lesson
>and some personal preference), and maybe the Sup Tacs. Other cards
>mentioned were I Art (10/9), For the Empire (8/9), Flattery (11/9)(in the
>Campsite decks was nearly 3 per), ISotF (6/9), Entrappiong Terrain (7/9),
>Test of Might (5/9), Imp Edicts (4/9) (I was surprised at this, as I have
>always thought this a strong card... <scratch head>), and Avoid (3/9).
>One last note is that this deck has note been played yet. I will be
>it for the next month, and I will get back to you all with my personal
>tweaks to this archtype. Well I hope this helps you all to some extent.
Good luck Rob :)
The Platinum Dragon
"Victory means nothing, the fight is everything."
>Rob- Mirumoto Shokan
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