[dragon] So,just how do you win those darned duels?
qamar53 at hotmail.com
Fri Jul 12 21:47:23 EDT 2002
Duel support sucks.
Why not just focus and win?
Tattoos suck too. They don't do enough to make me care. I'd rather kill=
something or further my victory condition, instead of make heavy investme=
in a guy who, in all likelyhood is just going to die against any standard=
T. Scott Hadsall
>From: "Rob Bowman" <bowman_rob at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: dragon at michonline.com
>To: dragon at michonline.com
>Subject: Re: [dragon] So,just how do you win those darned duels?
>Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:15:07 +0000
>Once again we are dealing with the fate side :)...
>Here is my two koku, duel support cards are by themselves "dead" cards. =
>think about games you lose, doesn't it always seem that when you are los=
>the other player is performing actions non-stop? Now think about an=20
>opening hand of 3x PW, and 2x BLaR... :(. You have no options.
>I agree some duel support can be very handy, but too much and you will b=
>winning duels, but losing the game. You point to Scott Hadsall as an=20
>example of no duel support. I have looked at those decks closely and I=20
>wonder whether they really understand the nature of tattoos or whether t=
>really find no value in them... ?
>Me persoanlly I stick with 2x SCT and 2x Drag Tat. This duel support is=
>reusable, and especially the Dragon Tat has other uses on defense. Sorr=
>am rushed and as always ymmv :)!!
>Rob- Mirumoto Shokan
>>From: "Eljas Oksanen" <kkogen at hotmail.com>
>>Reply-To: dragon at michonline.com
>>To: <dragon at michonline.com>
>>Subject: [dragon] So,just how do you win those darned duels?
>>Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:20:15 +0300
>>I've just browsed the Dragonstrategy.net list of some Dragon decks that=
>>placed in Top 4 in the Koteis (thanks for putting them up,=20
>>and noticed that all of them run roughly half-a-dozen to a dozen duel o=
>>duelling related cards in the Fate deck.
>>So... I take this to mean that Dragon duelling is "in"?
>>OK, you may stop groaning now, honoured Clan members. :-) I know that t=
>>is very a elementary topic, and discussed to death several times over b=
>>now, but since duelling is such a vital part of the strategies that we
>>embrace, I'd like to ask the list members just what you consider to be
>>"good" duelling cards, and especially what are good duel _support_ card=
>>the current pre-GenCon environment. 'Cause, I take it, every duel deck=20
>>need a few of those? You just can't rely of on a one or two point Chi
>>advantage and having a hand full of FV4 cards... not at least if you wa=
>>consistency with your wins, right? Or wrong?
>>I was quite intrigued to notice that there was, relatively speaking, so=
>>quite large differences in the number and type of duelling support card=
>>that the decks on Dragonstrategy.net used. And I was especially intrigu=
>>realise that Scott Hadsall's high-placing deck did not run _any_ duel
>>support - this despite having 3 x For the Empires and 3 x Duels (or
>>Challenges, in a variant). I counted 26 FV4 cards plus the massively
>>Chi-boosting Celestial Sword and Porcelain Mask, but still... especiall=
>>latter are just two cards that you can't always rely on having on the=20
>>Thus, Mr Hadsall, is the necessity of having actual duel support just o=
>>big myth? :-)
>>For a Dragon Honour deck (since that seems to be our dominant deck-type=
>>the moment), what would be an ideal mix of duel cards on the Fate side?=
>>should the ratio of duel support cards to actual duel cards themselves
>>(taking into account Chi-boosters like the Celestial Sword, Porcelain M=
>>of Fu Leng, and the Dragon Tattoo who, while not specifically duel=20
>>nevertheless do win duels for you)? Any "rule of thumbs"? Exactly how=20
>>is duelling as means of PK and/or Honour gaining in a Dragon deck?
>>One does realise that one should not miss the forest for the trees,=20
>>I suppose that there is no single optimal set of duelling cards, and th=
>>different duelling cards operate with varying amounts of success depend=
>>on what _other_ cards there are in the deck (i.e. overall deck synergy,=
>>whether or not you prefer to use "smash" or "trick" duelling). Apart fr=
>>the "FV4 is good", what kind of synergy/combos do people suggest? For
>>instance, has anyone experimented with running only one or two copies o=
>>given duel, to be pulled off when most needed via card search (WTW,=20
>>Just to kick off, in the Honour-switch deck I played at the UK Kotei I
>>myself used 3 x Iai Duel, 3 x Iai Challenge, 2 x For the Empire, 1 x=20
>>of Shadows and 3 x Poisoned Weapons, plus of course the Big Heavenly=20
>>The Iai Duels and Challenges operated as usual, but the 2 x FtE and the=
>>AoS were a mistake - if one hopes to pull the combo off with any kind o=
>>regularity I presume that one really has to run a third FtE plus the
>>Porcelain Mask. On the other hand, the Poisoned Weapons were extremely
>>useful, and not the least because it allowed me to safely challenge
>>Personalities that had higher Chi than my own peeps. But then again, I =
>>running Big Daddy Hantei Naseru who hushed up the Honour loss, and I'm =
>>sure I'd run PWs with any other Wind.
>>OK, I've bored you guys enough. I'll go away now. :-)
>>Dragon Clan Novice * Team Jade Cat * Still Learning
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>Rob- Mirumoto Shokan
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