[dragon] The "challenge"
togashi_akagi at hotmail.com
Wed Oct 30 12:42:34 EST 2002
I was under the impression that points and victories would be awarded. But
in pointing out that the event isn't sanctioned then legality of bribery and
bounties is irrelevant. If it isn't a sanctioned event it isn't governed by
the OP rules, meaning anything goes.
You can feel that the bounty is bribery as much as you'd like, but that is
your personal opinion. I placed it under the legal rules for bounties, and
you're always welcome to refuse it should you take top dragon or horde. In
no manner am I forcing anyones hand in any aspect I'm merely providing
sideline encouragement for players seeking a particular story outcome.
There are plenty of corrupt/tainted dragons that wish to play for kokujin
but do not wish to play horde, I am allowing for this in the bounty, as it
is the path they would take anyway. In the end it is the finallist's choice
of how the story win resolves, the bounty does nothing to change that.
L5R's strongest point is player's having choice and impact on the game both
within the ccg and outside of it. By removing all player choice and input
other than the result of the card mechanics on the table you'd remove the
lifeblood of the game. Had the story focused solely on in game wins the HDM
never would have had the impact they did upon the clan, nor would the peace
between doji kazo and hida shara occured. But now that that something runs
contrary to your story wishes you'd like to see all such future interaction
removed because they don't suit your aims? get real.
L5R thrives on interaction outside the game, and not the mechanics alone.
Bounties (not bribes) are a legal and encouraged part of that player
interaction, so deal with it.
>What you speak of is a matter of semantics. Your 'bounty' should be seen
>for what it is: you are offering someone obsene amounts of stuff in order
>to fix the outcome of the challenge booth. You are not offering the
>Shadowlands player should he win the bounty, you are offering it to the
>Dragon Champion of the booth in order to subvert him. The theory you give
>for the diffrence between bribery and bounty is sound, were this a
>sanctioned event, where points and ELO rankings matter. Since this is not
>the case, and the only thing in stake is the actual storyline outcome of
>the booth, what you are doing is bribing. Another important difference, is
>that it is not players that are fighting against each other, rankings et
>al, but players that are representing Clans. The player should not have and
>probably does not have the right to concede, but must actively lose, as
>shown in the Mantis vs. Mantis booth, were the game was played out. The
>challenge booth is very clear: Dragon wins, we get x. Shadowlands win they
>get y. Personal choice of conceding does not enter into it. Therefore, in
>order to collect your bounty, the Dragon player would have to lose.
>Therefore, it is not a bounty, but a bribe, in deed if not word.And even
>should you not accept this,the bounty in itself is unsportmanlike behaviour
>of a magnitude far surpasing anything you have accused Shiryu of.You are
>taking the concept of the challenge booth, throwing material things at it,
>and subverting both its spirit and intent (sort of like the Mantis did,
>which I think was disgraceful)
>Tattoed Samurai-Mirumoto House Guard Chui
>Mirumoto Tsuge's Karo
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