From duchon.philippe at free.fr Sat May 1 01:44:59 2004 From: duchon.philippe at free.fr (Philippe Duchon) Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 07:44:59 +0200 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Question about singular and contested holding. In-Reply-To: <0a8d01c42f17$535e2a90$1b01a8c0@glockenspiel> References: <60.3e3cf1d2.2dc43e67@aol.com> <0a8d01c42f17$535e2a90$1b01a8c0@glockenspiel> Message-ID: <20040501074459.69497159.duchon.philippe@free.fr> On Sat, 1 May 2004 10:57:49 +1000 "Ben Franks" wrote: > If I contested holding someones Singular holding, and get control of it > does it still count as them having it in play? ie as singular they > cannot bring out another? > > if not, what happens If i gain control of a singualar holding and > already the same singular holding out > This has already been answered (before there was a Singular keyword, actually): the holding is fully under your control, and counts under your own "max 1". If you already control one, you cannot steal another one. -- Philippe Duchon -- duchon.philippe at free.fr Scorpion Clan Crypto-Geek _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From GojuKaze at wanadoo.fr Sat May 1 02:42:59 2004 From: GojuKaze at wanadoo.fr (Goju Kaze) Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 08:42:59 +0200 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Hidden City Distribution Problems????? References: <11d.2e5ffebc.2dc33382@aol.com><003301c42e89$baffa590$0a321d0a@marmotte> <20040430195523.587db64e.duchon.philippe@free.fr> Message-ID: <004701c42f47$8b907460$0a321d0a@marmotte> Well, I don't know how your store order, but for sure reassort of Hidden city will be really sought after and will be limited as far as I understand. But you're a lucky one (Spanish people and French people are on this case) because we will have respectively French and Spanish versions to supplement the reassort of English cards. Goju Kaze ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philippe Duchon" To: Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [L5R-CCG] Hidden City Distribution Problems????? > On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 10:04:06 +0200 > "Goju Kaze" wrote: > > > Well, the other side of the great pond called Atlantic, cards are in > > distribution whitout trouble, my set is nicely in my binders since April > > 26th. > > > > I'm not sure this is a generic trouble. > > Well, I'm on the same side of the Atlantic as you are, and stores > around here got very little HC. One store only got enough boosters to > cover preorders, and the other didn't get any - both are maybe > expecting more one month from now. > > -- > > Philippe Duchon -- duchon.philippe at free.fr > Scorpion Clan Crypto-Geek > > _______________________________________________ > L5r-ccg mailing list > L5r-ccg at alderac.com > http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From chimera_reader at hotmail.com Sat May 1 12:00:10 2004 From: chimera_reader at hotmail.com (Matt Snyder) Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 11:00:10 -0500 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Rules questions: Modified, Rule of Presence Message-ID: Hey, folks, a couple questions for the rules gurus: A) Petty Insults read (in part): "YOu and that player each lose Honor equal to the Gold you spent on th is card or the Coutiers' total Personal Honor, whichever is less. Your loss cannot be copied or modified." What does Modified mean? Can it be redirected with Rhetoric? What about negated and then switched with Dirty Politics? B) I'm reading the Rule of Presence, and scratching my head a bit. The rule of Presence says only one of three qualifications must be met. They are: 1) Be from a card at the battle, 2) Move or create card/token in battle, 3) Target or directly affect car or token in battle. So, I have Doji Jotaro. I read the Rule of Presence as saying that he meets the third qualification - he targets a card (personality) attacking one of your provinces. Therefore, he could be at Home and do this. However, then I read the example in the DE rulebook about Earthquake. It says clearly that the Shugenja casting it must be in the battle. So, that leads me to think that Doji Jotaro must be in the battle to use his ability. Which is correct? What explains this so I can apply it to other cards. Is it because the action is a Battle action, and therefore must be at the Battle? Are there any instances where Battle Actions on personalities do not require the personality to be at the battle (EXCEPT for obvious instances like Agasha Chieh)? _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From AGarrett at EA.com Sat May 1 12:11:23 2004 From: AGarrett at EA.com (Garrett, Andrew) Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 09:11:23 -0700 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Rules questions: Modified, Rule of Presence Message-ID: <28246E843F3F1F4CA0615FE86744BE4B03B18154@eala-mail.la.ad.ea.com> > > B) I'm reading the Rule of Presence, and scratching my head a bit. The > rule of Presence says only one of three qualifications must be met. They > are: 1) Be from a card at the battle, 2) Move or create card/token in > battle, 3) Target or directly affect car or token in battle. > > > > So, I have Doji Jotaro. I read the Rule of Presence as saying that he > meets the third qualification - he targets a card (personality) attacking > one of your provinces. Therefore, he could be at Home and do this. > > > > However, then I read the example in the DE rulebook about Earthquake. It > says clearly that the Shugenja casting it must be in the battle. So, that > leads me to think that Doji Jotaro must be in the battle to use his > ability. > The rule you have stated is actually the Rule of Relevance, not the Rule of Presence. The Rule of Presence states you must either - Have a unit at the battle or - Unconditionally gain a unit at the battle as a result of the action. You must meet both rules to perform an action. So, in the example you gave, Jotaro meets the rule of relevance. But, unless he (or some one else) is at the battle, he doesn't meet presence. Now, as long as you have some one else at the battle, Jotaro can still dishonor attackers from home. Kitsuki Hayato _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From Luftmorder at aol.com Sat May 1 14:47:46 2004 From: Luftmorder at aol.com (Luftmorder at aol.com) Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 14:47:46 EDT Subject: [L5R-CCG] Sorry, I missed it... Message-ID: <30.5554e84f.2dc54ad2@aol.com> I know there was a question earlier about Set'tchr'foo, but I didn't see the answer, can she use her ability when she is not in the battle? _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From jaken at gettelco.com Sat May 1 14:58:37 2004 From: jaken at gettelco.com (Jason Aken) Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 13:58:37 -0500 Subject: [L5R-CCG] The Legions Charge + Show of Good Faith References: <000001c42edf$9567a980$1702a8c0@milandir> Message-ID: <001f01c42fae$4ffb70f0$9eeb83d1@jason> Well even without going any further, Refuge removes the person from the game, it doesnt kill them. So no. Jason ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Wiener" To: Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 1:18 PM Subject: [L5R-CCG] The Legions Charge + Show of Good Faith > I took a Personality with SoGF and ditched it to Refuge of the Three > Sisters, obtained a Kolat Assassin and killed another of my opponent's > personalities. > > He played The Legion's Charge. I don't think that is a legal play > because I only killed one of his personalities as the other was my > personality at the time of destruction. My opponent disagrees with that > assessment. > > So did I satisfy the trigger for The Legion's Charge? > _______________________________________________ > L5r-ccg mailing list > L5r-ccg at alderac.com > http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From cloak72 at yahoo.com Sat May 1 16:18:18 2004 From: cloak72 at yahoo.com (Robert Van Natter) Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 13:18:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [L5R-CCG] Rules questions: Modified, Rule of Presence In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040501201818.13734.qmail@web41808.mail.yahoo.com> Comments below --- Matt Snyder wrote: > Hey, folks, a couple questions for the rules gurus: > > > > A) Petty Insults read (in part): "YOu and that > player each lose Honor equal to the Gold you spent > on th is card or the Coutiers' total Personal Honor, > whichever is less. Your loss cannot be copied or > modified." > > > > What does Modified mean? Can it be redirected with > Rhetoric? What about negated and then switched with > Dirty Politics? > > > [Robert] Modified means any change. That includes lowering, raising, negating, or redirecting. You WILL take the hit, no ifs, ands, or buts :) ===== Hiruma Ayslyn Crab Clan Professional Medler Scout Samurai Hero "We are all just Samurai brother, but when we stand together, we are the Crab" "Pain shared is pain divided; joy shared is joy multiplied" Everything I needed to know, I learned from drinking at Callahan's __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From bh350 at aegbountyhunter.com Sat May 1 17:09:24 2004 From: bh350 at aegbountyhunter.com (Rusty Priske) Date: Sat, 01 May 2004 17:09:24 -0400 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Sorry, I missed it... Message-ID: > I know there was a question earlier about Set'tchr'foo, but I didn't see the > answer, can she use her ability when she is not in the battle? No. Rusty Priske _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From chimera_reader at hotmail.com Sat May 1 19:42:34 2004 From: chimera_reader at hotmail.com (Matt Snyder) Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 18:42:34 -0500 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Q: Rhetoric/Dirty Politics vs. Shadowlands? Message-ID: Another question for the list -- help is greatly appreciated: Shadowlands players cannot gain or lose family honor as per their stronghold's text. What is the effect, if any, of Rhetoric OR Dirty Politics against Shadowlands? I assumed no effect (as in, both cards are unplayable). However, I noticed today that both cards say "Before a gain/loss . . . . " So, does that "before" timing make it possible to, say, redirect the honor loss from refusing Iaijutsu Challenge with Dirty Politics to the challenger's benefit? Thanks! _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From KuniYasashii at wi.rr.com Sat May 1 20:05:33 2004 From: KuniYasashii at wi.rr.com (Kuni Yasashii) Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 19:05:33 -0500 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Q: Rhetoric/Dirty Politics vs. Shadowlands? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: We used to always say you could winds/rhetoric honor losses to the shadowlands to make them go away. (Oh look, Fu Leng MADE me refuse that challenge, really!) As far as the Dirty Politics goes, your Shadowlands opponent is never losing honor, so you can't gain honor. -Lou > -----Original Message----- > From: L5r-ccg-bounces at alderac.com [mailto:L5r-ccg-bounces at alderac.com]On > Behalf Of Matt Snyder > Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 6:43 PM > To: L5r-ccg at alderac.com > Subject: [L5R-CCG] Q: Rhetoric/Dirty Politics vs. Shadowlands? > > > Another question for the list -- help is greatly appreciated: > > Shadowlands players cannot gain or lose family honor as per their > stronghold's text. > > What is the effect, if any, of Rhetoric OR Dirty Politics against > Shadowlands? I assumed no effect (as in, both cards are > unplayable). However, I noticed today that both cards say "Before > a gain/loss . . . . " > > So, does that "before" timing make it possible to, say, redirect > the honor loss from refusing Iaijutsu Challenge with Dirty > Politics to the challenger's benefit? > > Thanks! > _______________________________________________ > L5r-ccg mailing list > L5r-ccg at alderac.com > http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com > _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From TreguardD at aol.com Sat May 1 23:46:00 2004 From: TreguardD at aol.com (TreguardD at aol.com) Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 23:46:00 EDT Subject: [L5R-CCG] Ruling Questions: Message-ID: ...must... not... ping... ranged attack questions. #1: Will Northern Provinces of the Moto buy the Demanding Gunso with Cavalry (that is: Does my choice to give Demanding Gunso the Cavalry Trait) happen in time to let the NP produce 7. (sigh) #2: Why is it *not* the case that: If bowing a personality to produce a Range N attack against a personality in Shinjo Xushen Exp's army; that I must declare the attack to be N+2, because it is the only way I can actually produce the Range N? -Daren _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From teiran at prodigy.net Sun May 2 13:43:34 2004 From: teiran at prodigy.net (Teiran) Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 12:43:34 -0500 Subject: [L5R-CCG] [Rules] Ichiro's Yumi Message-ID: <000001c4306d$42741990$9405000a@dragon> Okay, I have a few questions about this very nifty card, and I'd like to see if I understand how it works correctly. Lets say I have Nobumoto Exp (a bushi) with an Ichiro's Yumi attached, and I'm in battle. My opponent has a 6 force follower attached to a 3 force personality. #1 I can target the personality with the Yumi's ability, but I can not make the ranged 0 attack because he is not a legal target. (He has followers attached.) #2 I can target the follower with the Yumi, reduced its force from 6 to 3, and then shoot the follower with the ranged zero, react with Tsuruchi tech to raise the ranged attack to 3 and kill the follower, allowing me to shoot the personality with Nobumoto on my next action. #3 I can target the follower with the Yumi, reduced its force from 6 to 3, and then shoot the follower with a ranged 4 attack by combining the yumi's ranged 0 and Nobumoto's ranged 4. -Togashi Teiran Dragon Clan Monk * Tattooed * Storyteller We are the Dragon, We tell our own tale. _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From cloak72 at yahoo.com Sun May 2 01:46:09 2004 From: cloak72 at yahoo.com (Robert Van Natter) Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 22:46:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [L5R-CCG] Ruling Questions: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040502054609.71609.qmail@web41803.mail.yahoo.com> Comments Below --- TreguardD at aol.com wrote: > > ...must... not... ping... ranged attack questions. > > > #1: Will Northern Provinces of the Moto buy the > Demanding Gunso with Cavalry > (that is: Does my choice to give Demanding Gunso the > Cavalry Trait) happen in > time to let the NP produce 7. > > > (sigh) > > #2: Why is it *not* the case that: If bowing a > personality to produce a Range > N attack against a personality in Shinjo Xushen > Exp's army; that I must > declare the attack to be N+2, because it is the only > way I can actually produce the > Range N? > [Robert] Because, quite simply this... There are two 'stages', if you will, to a ranged attack. Declaration and Production. With Kuro's Fire, you get to declare multiple RAs at varying strengths, but it only counts those produced towards it's limit. So I declare RA N+2, but only produce N. If you have an ability such as RA 3, I can only declare a RA 3, but several factors can cause me to produce a smaller or larger RA. For instance, lets reverse things. If you have Higher Ground in play, should you be forced to declare a RA of N-1 in order to produce your personalities RA: N? > -Daren > > _______________________________________________ > L5r-ccg mailing list > L5r-ccg at alderac.com > http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com ===== Hiruma Ayslyn Crab Clan Professional Medler Scout Samurai Hero "We are all just Samurai brother, but when we stand together, we are the Crab" "Pain shared is pain divided; joy shared is joy multiplied" Everything I needed to know, I learned from drinking at Callahan's __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From duchon.philippe at free.fr Sun May 2 02:45:38 2004 From: duchon.philippe at free.fr (Philippe Duchon) Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 08:45:38 +0200 Subject: [L5R-CCG] [Rules] Ichiro's Yumi In-Reply-To: <000001c4306d$42741990$9405000a@dragon> References: <000001c4306d$42741990$9405000a@dragon> Message-ID: <20040502084538.6badfdb1.duchon.philippe@free.fr> On Sun, 2 May 2004 12:43:34 -0500 "Teiran" wrote: > Okay, I have a few questions about this very nifty card, and I'd like to > see if I understand how it works correctly. > > Lets say I have Nobumoto Exp (a bushi) with an Ichiro's Yumi attached, > and I'm in battle. My opponent has a 6 force follower attached to a 3 > force personality. > > #1 I can target the personality with the Yumi's ability, but I can > not make the ranged 0 attack because he is not a legal target. (He > has followers attached.) Right. This is one side effect of Ichiro's Yumi: it's also a good preparation card for duels of force. > #2 I can target the follower with the Yumi, reduced its force from 6 > to 3, and then shoot the follower with the ranged zero, react with > Tsuruchi tech to raise the ranged attack to 3 and kill the follower, > allowing me to shoot the personality with Nobumoto on my next > action. Right (I believe). Or is the follower a legal target only if it has 0 Force? > #3 I can target the follower with the Yumi, reduced its force from 6 > to 3, and then shoot the follower with a ranged 4 attack by > combining the yumi's ranged 0 and Nobumoto's ranged 4. Wrong, because to combine ranged attacks, they must be legal at the same time. No other RA is legal at the same time as Ichiro's Yumi, which happens half way through the resolution of an action (because its possibility is dependent on the target's force being 0). This is from Jeff's previous reply to an early question; I would have missed the distinction :) -- Philippe Duchon -- duchon.philippe at free.fr Scorpion Clan Crypto-Geek _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From TreguardD at aol.com Sun May 2 02:53:59 2004 From: TreguardD at aol.com (TreguardD at aol.com) Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 02:53:59 EDT Subject: [L5R-CCG] Re: L5r-ccg Digest, Vol 11, Issue 2 Message-ID: <1ea.1f5ae610.2dc5f507@aol.com> In a message dated 5/2/04 12:50:04 AM Central Daylight Time, L5r-ccg-request at alderac.com writes: << [Robert] Because, quite simply this... There are two 'stages', if you will, to a ranged attack. Declaration and Production. With Kuro's Fire, you get to declare multiple RAs at varying strengths, but it only counts those produced towards it's limit. So I declare RA N+2, but only produce N. If you have an ability such as RA 3, I can only declare a RA 3, but several factors can cause me to produce a smaller or larger RA.>> By the Kuro's Fire ruling, "Produce" (or Make) refers to only the 2nd stage. << For instance, lets reverse things. If you have Higher Ground in play, should you be forced to declare a RA of N-1 in order to produce your personalities RA: N? >> By above, Yes. Don't ask me to explain how Tsuruchi Technique's reaction can possibly work in wake of above. (For the continuation of this commentary, remember the way I see Kuro's fire is being read: [Produce] a number of consecutive ranged attacks up to the Shugenja's Chi. The [produced] ranged attacks' total strength cannot exceed the Shugenja's Force plus Chi. And if that wasn't confusing enough, here's another scenario. Shinjo Xushen Experience had his Gempukku and gained the Shugenja trait. My opponent, a Phoenix player, has a 2/4 shugenja with Kuro's Fire attached. In a combat where Xushen assigned as infantry, he bows to declare a ranged attack against my poor Moto Chagatai Experienced, declaring it as a ranged 8, so that it will kill the poor Force 6 Champion. Xushen challenges the caster to a Test of Magic, but loses (and thus, dies). *Now* does my opponent lose for attempting to take an illegal action? -Daren _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From balduran2380 at yahoo.com Sun May 2 09:08:03 2004 From: balduran2380 at yahoo.com (Jay Sanchez) Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 06:08:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [L5R-CCG] Akodo Ieshige and Relentless Assault Message-ID: <20040502130803.31049.qmail@web41902.mail.yahoo.com> Will Ieshige bow if I target him with relentless assult with my personality with Yu 3 or it will not affect him due to his trait to gain 1 force? --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From neilsmithies at optusnet.com.au Sun May 2 10:21:37 2004 From: neilsmithies at optusnet.com.au (Neil Smithies) Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 00:21:37 +1000 Subject: [L5R-CCG] southern australian kotei result Message-ID: <000801c43050$c7a62d50$c1681cd3@neil> Hi After a very busy weekend with just a couple if hiccups (mainly due to getting 71 players and not being prepared for 7 swiss rounds in the pairing software). I will post a full report later when I have slept for a while...i hope the deck descriptions are what the players would describe them as which are the best from my memory. Congratulations to Thomas Delbosc who is the new Kotei champion for the region. He beat Chris Heywood in a very entertaining final, 2 - 0 in a best of three which lasted till near 1am. Total players : 71 - the largest L5R event ever in Australia (last year was 50) 1st Tomas Delbosc - KG tainted (bloodspeaker students and daigotsu wind) Blitz 2nd Chris Heywood - MGC honour 3rd. Andrew Bennett - KG honourable Lion attack 4th Morgan Elliot - KDA Crane honour / duelling 5th Paul Ryan - KDA Crane honour / duelling 6th Brad Allen - Crane honour control / Kaukatsu bomb 7th Danial Chlebowczy - RED Crab smash 8th Neil Smithies - MGC honour 9th Andreww Morris - KG Lion attack 10th Brent Steeves - Lion attack 11th Garth Davos - TNK Shadowlands 12th Sam Moskwa - MGC attack 13th Tarl Cowley - NP - unicorn attack? 14th Murray Whiteford - MGC honour? 15th Matt Hastings - MGC honour 16th Robert Hogan - TOH Dragon kiho? Breakdown by clan Crab - 5 Crane - 7 Dragon - 9 Lion - 9 Mantis - 6 Phoenix - 10 Ratling - 5 Scorpion - 7 Shadowlands - 4 Unicorn - 9 Surprisingly the unicorn did not do anywhere as well as may have been predicted. The main strengths were phoenix honour runners, lion blitz and a variety of crane decks thrown in to spice things up. Dr. Neil Smithies L5R Bounty Hunter Visit L5R Victoria at http://members.optusnet.com.au/vicl5r _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From cloak72 at yahoo.com Sun May 2 10:54:24 2004 From: cloak72 at yahoo.com (Robert Van Natter) Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 07:54:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [L5R-CCG] Re: L5r-ccg Digest, Vol 11, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: <1ea.1f5ae610.2dc5f507@aol.com> Message-ID: <20040502145425.67955.qmail@web41812.mail.yahoo.com> Comments Below --- TreguardD at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 5/2/04 12:50:04 AM Central > Daylight Time, > L5r-ccg-request at alderac.com writes: > > << [Robert] Because, quite simply this... There > are two 'stages', if you > will, to a ranged attack. Declaration and > Production. With Kuro's > Fire, you get to declare multiple RAs at varying > strengths, but it only > counts those produced towards it's limit. So I > declare RA N+2, but only produce > N. > If you have an ability such as RA 3, I can only > declare a RA 3, but several > factors can cause me to produce a smaller or larger > RA.>> > > > By the Kuro's Fire ruling, "Produce" (or Make) > refers to only the 2nd stage. > [Robert] Forget KF for a moment. I have a personality with RA 3. This means that I can Declare a ranged 3 attack, and NOTHING else. What I will Produce is something else, and dependant on several game conditions. If Xushen is around, I will Produce a ranged 1, if higher ground is in play (minus the Xushen ;) ) a ranged 4 > << For instance, lets reverse things. If you have > Higher Ground in play, > should you be forced to declare a RA of N-1 in order > to produce your > personalities RA: N? >> > > By above, Yes. > [Robert] No, you won't. A Personality with a RA 3 will still have to Declare a RA 3. Higher Ground will pump it up to a RA 4. If what you are suggesting is true, then ANY card that modified a RA would be less than pointless. If I am reading you correctly, you suggest that my Personality with a RA 3 would have to declare a RA 2 so that when Higher Ground pumps it, it would produce a RA 3. What would be the point of Higher Ground then? > Don't ask me to explain how Tsuruchi Technique's > reaction can possibly work > in wake of above. [Robert] It works just like every other modifier to a RA. > > (For the continuation of this commentary, remember > the way I see Kuro's fire > is being read: > > [Produce] a number of consecutive ranged attacks up > to the Shugenja's Chi. > The [produced] ranged attacks' total strength > cannot exceed the Shugenja's > Force plus Chi. [Robert] This is essentialy true, but you are forgetting/ignoring that there is a delaration portion to the RAs. Maybe this all seems complicated, I don't know. It makes sense to me :) KF is a card that breaks the rules. Just like many others in the game. The rules say that my personalities bow when they go home from a battle, Rally Cry breaks that and they don't > > > And if that wasn't confusing enough, here's another > scenario. > > Shinjo Xushen Experience had his Gempukku and gained > the Shugenja trait. > > My opponent, a Phoenix player, has a 2/4 shugenja > with Kuro's Fire attached. > > In a combat where Xushen assigned as infantry, he > bows to declare a ranged > attack against my poor Moto Chagatai Experienced, > declaring it as a ranged 8, so > that it will kill the poor Force 6 Champion. > > Xushen challenges the caster to a Test of Magic, but > loses (and thus, dies). > > *Now* does my opponent lose for attempting to take > an illegal action? [Robert] No, because when he Declared the attack, it wasn't an illegal action. > > -Daren > > > > _______________________________________________ > L5r-ccg mailing list > L5r-ccg at alderac.com > http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com ===== Hiruma Ayslyn Crab Clan Professional Medler Scout Samurai Hero "We are all just Samurai brother, but when we stand together, we are the Crab" "Pain shared is pain divided; joy shared is joy multiplied" Everything I needed to know, I learned from drinking at Callahan's __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From TreguardD at aol.com Sun May 2 12:20:11 2004 From: TreguardD at aol.com (TreguardD at aol.com) Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 12:20:11 EDT Subject: [L5R-CCG] Re: Ruling Questions (Pt 2) Message-ID: <15d.33f10451.2dc679bb@aol.com> <<> By the Kuro's Fire ruling, "Produce" (or Make) > refers to only the 2nd stage. > [Robert] Forget KF for a moment. I have a personality with RA 3. This means that I can Declare a ranged 3 attack, and NOTHING else. What I will Produce is something else, and dependant on several game conditions. If Xushen is around, I will Produce a ranged 1, if higher ground is in play (minus the Xushen ;) ) a ranged 4>> No. Uh-uh. Wrong. You have a Personality who can Produce a Ranged 3. That means after all modifiers have taken place, the strength of the ranged had *better* be 3. If "Produce" refers to the first step, then Kuro's Fire solves itself. Produce *only* looks at the second step, the actual strength of the Ranged Attack. <<> << For instance, lets reverse things. If you have > Higher Ground in play, > should you be forced to declare a RA of N-1 in order > to produce your > personalities RA: N? >> > > By above, Yes. > [Robert] No, you won't. A Personality with a RA 3 will still have to Declare a RA 3. Higher Ground will pump it up to a RA 4. If what you are suggesting is true, then ANY card that modified a RA would be less than pointless. If I am reading you correctly, you suggest that my Personality with a RA 3 would have to declare a RA 2 so that when Higher Ground pumps it, it would produce a RA 3. What would be the point of Higher Ground then?>> It must be to change the strength of the Ranged Attack you announce. It will have no other effect. (If you want to get techincal, I'm going to point at old templating. Was the 'Smart Card' ruling around during Forbidden Knowledge?) <<> > (For the continuation of this commentary, remember > the way I see Kuro's fire > is being read: > > [Produce] a number of consecutive ranged attacks up > to the Shugenja's Chi. > The [produced] ranged attacks' total strength > cannot exceed the Shugenja's > Force plus Chi. [Robert] This is essentialy true, but you are forgetting/ignoring that there is a delaration portion to the RAs. >> No, I'm not. In the wake of the Kuro's Fire ruling, It merely appears to be irrelevant. The wording on Kuro's Fire is almost exactily the same as the wording used on every single other ranged attack, yet it works differently. Why? <> Rallying Cry changes the rules. Kuro's Fire causes the rules to go into a corner and beg for mercy. <<> And if that wasn't confusing enough, here's another > scenario. > > Shinjo Xushen Experience had his Gempukku and gained > the Shugenja trait. > > My opponent, a Phoenix player, has a 2/4 shugenja > with Kuro's Fire attached. > > In a combat where Xushen assigned as infantry, he > bows to declare a ranged > attack against my poor Moto Chagatai Experienced, > declaring it as a ranged 8, so > that it will kill the poor Force 6 Champion. > > Xushen challenges the caster to a Test of Magic, but > loses (and thus, dies). > > *Now* does my opponent lose for attempting to take > an illegal action? [Robert] No, because when he Declared the attack, it wasn't an illegal action.>> But when he performed it, it was. Shouldn't a reasonable opponent know better to attempt an action that he could not legally perform? (Yes. That's Sarcasm.) -Daren _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From togashi.shin at free.fr Sun May 2 16:01:22 2004 From: togashi.shin at free.fr (Togashi Imura) Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 22:01:22 +0200 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Re: Ruling Questions (Pt 2) References: <15d.33f10451.2dc679bb@aol.com> Message-ID: <00fc01c43080$3e3b5740$468ae78a@imuradono> Well, you're actually wrong with this. A regular range attack card, can declare a range attack of X (where X is written on the card), then the modifiers apply. KF, is kinda special, because it checks the total produced ranged attack... that is a bit strange, but it is like that (until it is erratum'd, what a lot of us hope ;) ) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 6:20 PM Subject: [L5R-CCG] Re: Ruling Questions (Pt 2) > > > <<> By the Kuro's Fire ruling, "Produce" (or Make) > > refers to only the 2nd stage. > > > > [Robert] Forget KF for a moment. I have a > personality with RA 3. This means that I can Declare > a ranged 3 attack, and NOTHING else. What I will > Produce is something else, and dependant on several > game conditions. If Xushen is around, I will Produce > a ranged 1, if higher ground is in play (minus the > Xushen ;) ) a ranged 4>> > > > No. Uh-uh. Wrong. > > You have a Personality who can Produce a Ranged 3. That means after all > modifiers have taken place, the strength of the ranged had *better* be 3. If > "Produce" refers to the first step, then Kuro's Fire solves itself. Produce *only* > looks at the second step, the actual strength of the Ranged Attack. > > > <<> << For instance, lets reverse things. If you have > > Higher Ground in play, > > should you be forced to declare a RA of N-1 in order > > to produce your > > personalities RA: N? >> > > > > By above, Yes. > > > > [Robert] No, you won't. A Personality with a RA 3 > will still have to Declare a RA 3. Higher Ground will > pump it up to a RA 4. If what you are suggesting is > true, then ANY card that modified a RA would be less > than pointless. If I am reading you correctly, you > suggest that my Personality with a RA 3 would have to > declare a RA 2 so that when Higher Ground pumps it, it > would produce a RA 3. What would be the point of > Higher Ground then?>> > > It must be to change the strength of the Ranged Attack you announce. It will > have no other effect. (If you want to get techincal, I'm going to point at old > templating. Was the 'Smart Card' ruling around during Forbidden Knowledge?) > > > > <<> > > (For the continuation of this commentary, remember > > the way I see Kuro's fire > > is being read: > > > > [Produce] a number of consecutive ranged attacks up > > to the Shugenja's Chi. > > The [produced] ranged attacks' total strength > > cannot exceed the Shugenja's > > Force plus Chi. > > [Robert] This is essentialy true, but you are > forgetting/ignoring that there is a delaration portion > to the RAs. >> > > No, I'm not. In the wake of the Kuro's Fire ruling, It merely appears to be > irrelevant. The wording on Kuro's Fire is almost exactily the same as the > wording used on every single other ranged attack, yet it works differently. Why? > > < makes sense to me :) KF is a card that breaks the > rules. Just like many others in the game. The rules > say that my personalities bow when they go home from a > battle, Rally Cry breaks that and they don't >> > > Rallying Cry changes the rules. Kuro's Fire causes the rules to go into a > corner and beg for mercy. > > > <<> And if that wasn't confusing enough, here's another > > scenario. > > > > Shinjo Xushen Experience had his Gempukku and gained > > the Shugenja trait. > > > > My opponent, a Phoenix player, has a 2/4 shugenja > > with Kuro's Fire attached. > > > > In a combat where Xushen assigned as infantry, he > > bows to declare a ranged > > attack against my poor Moto Chagatai Experienced, > > declaring it as a ranged 8, so > > that it will kill the poor Force 6 Champion. > > > > Xushen challenges the caster to a Test of Magic, but > > loses (and thus, dies). > > > > *Now* does my opponent lose for attempting to take > > an illegal action? > > [Robert] No, because when he Declared the attack, it > wasn't an illegal action.>> > > But when he performed it, it was. Shouldn't a reasonable opponent know better > to attempt an action that he could not legally perform? (Yes. That's Sarcasm.) > > -Daren > > _______________________________________________ > L5r-ccg mailing list > L5r-ccg at alderac.com > http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com > > _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From togashi.shin at free.fr Sun May 2 16:04:13 2004 From: togashi.shin at free.fr (Togashi Imura) Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 22:04:13 +0200 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Question about singular and contested holding. References: <60.3e3cf1d2.2dc43e67@aol.com><0a8d01c42f17$535e2a90$1b01a8c0@glockenspiel> <20040501074459.69497159.duchon.philippe@free.fr> Message-ID: <00ff01c43080$a41715e0$468ae78a@imuradono> Well, about stealing a singular you have. Well, if I remember well : Let's suppose you have a Noh Theater Troop in play, and you ContestHolding the NTT of your opponent, and win the duel. Then, he keeps his NTT, but, whenever yours leaves play for any reason, then you immediatly take control of the one of your opponent... Well, I'm sure I've read that somewhere ;) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philippe Duchon" To: Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 7:44 AM Subject: Re: [L5R-CCG] Question about singular and contested holding. > On Sat, 1 May 2004 10:57:49 +1000 > "Ben Franks" wrote: > > > If I contested holding someones Singular holding, and get control of it > > does it still count as them having it in play? ie as singular they > > cannot bring out another? > > > > if not, what happens If i gain control of a singualar holding and > > already the same singular holding out > > > > This has already been answered (before there was a Singular keyword, > actually): the holding is fully under your control, and counts under > your own "max 1". If you already control one, you cannot steal another > one. > > > -- > > Philippe Duchon -- duchon.philippe at free.fr > Scorpion Clan Crypto-Geek > > _______________________________________________ > L5r-ccg mailing list > L5r-ccg at alderac.com > http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com > > _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From kaioto at yahoo.com Sun May 2 17:00:14 2004 From: kaioto at yahoo.com (Martin Lund) Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 14:00:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [L5R-CCG] Re: Ruling Questions (Pt 2) In-Reply-To: <15d.33f10451.2dc679bb@aol.com> Message-ID: <20040502210014.97788.qmail@web90008.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Comments Below: --- TreguardD at aol.com wrote: > > [Robert] Forget KF for a moment. I have a > personality with RA 3. This means that I can Declare > a ranged 3 attack, and NOTHING else. What I will > Produce is something else, and dependant on several > game conditions. If Xushen is around, I will Produce > a ranged 1, if higher ground is in play (minus the > Xushen ;) ) a ranged 4>> > > > No. Uh-uh. Wrong. [MARTY] Actually, he's completely correct in that. > You have a Personality who can Produce a Ranged 3. > That means after all modifiers have taken place, the > strength of the ranged had *better* be 3. [MARTY] Nope. I'm afraid there is no such requirement. The basic text of the ability tells you what will happen, given no other outside effects modifying it. If you have modifiers, obviously the outcome will be different than as originally stated on the card. > If "Produce" refers to the first step, then Kuro's > Fire solves itself. [MARTY] There are no choices involved with the strength of the RA during the declaration step first step unless you have a variable strength ranged attack. If the ability has a fixed number for the RA strength, declaring the use of the ability makes the original strength (before any modifiers) self evident. > Produce *only* looks at the second step, the actual > strength of the Ranged Attack. [MARTY] Effects that check for what you "produce" only care about the strength on resolution of the effects. That's why it is generally a bad idea to refer to "produce" in the future or present tense unless you are actually modifying the event. If you need to do something else based on what is "produced," you should probably be working in the past tense with after-the-fact triggers. Kuro's Fire creates restrictions based on unconfirmed future events (pure speculation, really) which is just a giant mess. > [Robert] No, you won't. A Personality with a RA 3 > will still have to Declare a RA 3. Higher Ground > will pump it up to a RA 4. If what you are > suggesting is true, then ANY card that modified a RA > would be less than pointless. If I am reading you > correctly, you suggest that my Personality with a RA > 3 would have to declare a RA 2 so that when Higher > Ground pumps it, it would produce a RA 3. What would > be the point of Higher Ground then?>> > > It must be to change the strength of the Ranged > Attack you announce. It will have no other effect. [MARTY] It will change the strength of the RA when the RA effect is produced. You're still playing the ability "Bow for a Ranged 3 Attack." > No, I'm not. In the wake of the Kuro's Fire ruling, > It merely appears to be irrelevant. The wording on > Kuro's Fire is almost exactily the same as the > wording used on every single other ranged attack, > yet it works differently. Why? [MARTY] As mentioned above, Kuro's Fire has two complications. The first is that its RA Strength is chosen rather than fixed by the ability. Secondly, it has a restriction on that choice based on the projected outcome - the Strength produced on Resolution of Effects. - Marty Lund Deputy Rules Monkey __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From TreguardD at aol.com Sun May 2 19:16:56 2004 From: TreguardD at aol.com (TreguardD at aol.com) Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 19:16:56 -0400 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Re: Rulings Pt 2 Message-ID: <3CC37612.5DACDB94.029AEC1A@aol.com> In a message dated 5/2/2004 5:00:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, L5r-ccg-request at alderac.com writes: >>[MARTY] As mentioned above, Kuro's Fire has two complications. The first is that its RA Strength is chosen rather than fixed by the ability. << I don't know why this is relevent. Produce N, Produce N+1, Or produce X and Produce Y such ath X+Y = N. You're still producing Ranged. >>Secondly, it has a restriction on that choice based on the projected outcome - the Strength produced on Resolution of Effects.<< You still haven't answered the inherent question. Why does "Produce" on every other attack card look at the beginning, and yet "Total Ranged attacks Produced" look at the end? _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From kaioto at yahoo.com Sun May 2 18:42:36 2004 From: kaioto at yahoo.com (Martin Lund) Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 15:42:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [L5R-CCG] Rules for 29 April 2004 Message-ID: <20040502224236.26465.qmail@web90005.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Rules for Thursday, April 29, 2004 * * * * * * * * * * From: "Jason Lefebvre" Date: Mon Apr 26, 2004 7:25 pm Subject: [L5R-CCG] Where the Kami walk and Strategic Crossroad and Heavens Wrath > Okay... IF I cast heavens wrath while Where the Kami Walk and sent the Fire > Shug and someone else home with two people opposing them, then bring the > Shug back into battle using Stategic Crossroad would he beable to use > Heavens Wrath again? Where the Kami Walk says, "Your Shugenja at this battle need not bow to cast Spells or Kihos. No Spell may be cast more than once during this battle." I think that would exclude him from using that copy of Heaven's Wrath again during that battle, anyway. * * * * * * * * * * From: "Sascha Meyer" Date: Thu Apr 29, 2004 11:05 am Subject: [L5R-CCG] [Rules] Fushin Question > If two Fushins are in play (with Egg of Pan Ku), how many Personalities > have to be bowed to play Political Action cards ? Two. Each Fushin is self-referential, and each one tacks on an additional cost. That makes for two additional costs, which must both be met. * * * * * * * * * * From: Greg Wong Date: Thu Apr 29, 2004 11:32 am Subject: [L5R-CCG] Rules Question (JEFF) > The bit that concerns me is the "playing that Action Card is considered to > be bringing a Shadowlands card into play". By the timing wouldn't it be > "you played a card & it gained Shadowlands after entering play"? Thus > rather than "bringing a Shadowlands card into play" you "brought a card into > play that became Shadowlands". The distinction is important for House of > Tao players who might want to Egg a Shadowlands personality. I can't do much about the ruling in the Archive: "Any single card or action that brings a card into play and gives it the Shadowlands trait is considered to be "bringing a Shadowlands card into play" regardless of the exact relative timing of the two effects." (Accumulated Rulings, "Entering Play" Egging a Shadowlands personality will count as "bringing a Shadowlands card into play" and cause you to flush all your Rings. * * * * * * * * * * From: "Togashi Imura" Date: Thu Apr 29, 2004 1:52 pm Subject: Re: [L5R-CCG] [RULES] Lotus at dusk and extra actions > Well, it seems that is not totally exact. > The Lotus can respond to the action you use to play it. So, for BoT : > *Play Lotus at Dusk > *Use the rulebook extra action : put the blade of thorn in play > *Use the extra action granted by BoT : Fear3 > *Use the Lotus at Dusk extra action > *Give your opponent... I just want to confirm that this is the way Lotus At Dusk + Blade of Thorns works out. * * * * * * * * * * From: "Eric Kroier" Date: Thu Apr 29, 2004 10:32 pm Subject: [L5R-CCG] Rules: Shadowed Tower and Political Actions > When is an action considered to have been played? This is in reference to > Shosuro Mikado/Shadowed Tower and Storm Heart. If I use Storm Heart, do I > use Mikado's/ST's reaction before or after the duel resolves? After all the targeting and cost payments and Reactions they trigger, but before you resolve any effects of the Action. > Secondly, what happens if I recycle a political terrain into my deck with > Shadowed Tower? At what point does it get recycled? Immediately after it's > put into play or after it has resolved? If I recycle a terrain into my > deck, do its effects still occur or has it left play? Well, the effect it produces is to shuffle the card back into your deck instead of discarding it when the time comes to discard it. Terrains aren't discarded immediately after being played like regular Action Cards, but they are discarded when they are destroyed during Battle Resolution or by an Effect. Basically, the first time the Action card in question will be discarded, shuffle it back. * * * * * * * * * * That looks like it for Thursday, April 28, 2004. If I missed your question, please repost it with the flag [RULES] in the subject line. - Marty Lund Deputy Rules Monkey __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From dairya3364 at yahoo.com Sun May 2 19:58:01 2004 From: dairya3364 at yahoo.com (mitch teague) Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 16:58:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [L5R-CCG] preliminary report from Nothing to Lose in Las Vegas... In-Reply-To: <30.5554e84f.2dc54ad2@aol.com> Message-ID: <20040502235801.58313.qmail@web90104.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Hey folks, this won't be a full report, just a heads up, and some tidbits. In interpreting this report, you have to know that I was unwillingly vying for the Iron Samurai competition (which I lost) but was going on 3 days without sleep. A couple of preliminary tourneys on friday weren't very eventful, but they were fun. I took 4th in the first prelim, and ended up dropping from the 2nd at 2/2 (not for losses, but other concerns-including being very tired and impatient) The Kotei itself was pretty good (the finals are still going as we speak) I was playing Crab military w/Black Heart (70 of the 139 players were playing Right Hand) I won my first match against a Dragon dueling deck (one of my least favorite matchups) in fairly decisive fashion. It was just one of those games where I got everything I need and put every fate card in my hand to good use. I thought it a good omen. Yeah right... I then proceeded to lose my next 3 matches in equally decisive fashion-Dragon dueling, Unicorn province smash, and Lion blitz. I thought I was doomed to nearly last place. Then I started coming back. I proceeded to beat 2 Crabs, a Shadowlands, and another Lion. Because of my Strength of Schedule, I knew I was out of the running for top 32 at 5/3, while Ron Carlson, my last opponent had a stronger schedule. I went ahead and conceded to him even though I won, just to give him a chance into the final rounds. He didn't make it, oh well. Here are some of the interesting tidbits: The final 4: the final 4 decks (playing now) are as follows: (forgive the butchered spelling) Lucas Twyman-Dragon ???Unknown type-never saw the deck. Bill O'Brien-Lion (local boy does good) Art Reid-Phoenix Military Lee ( I'm not sure of this last name-forgive me if I'm wrong or if I butcher the spelling) ?Masheter? Anyway, he was playing Crane-a Kakita Dueling Academy deck that is corrupt as hell. (in fact, I didn't even see a crane personality) This is a great deck, using all the shadowlands nastiness with political actions (Maru and Taneji were both present) It was a supremely interesting deck. But it is essentially a shadowlands deck out of KDA. Very Strong. Essentially, there are 5 factions represented in the top 4, which bodes extremely well for the season if you ask me. Best play of the day yesterday was from a Ratling player. He stole 2 rings from his opponent's discard pile and put them both into play to give himself an enlightenment victory!!! amazing stuff. That was Casey Smith, another of our local players. The las vegas group acquitted itself fairly well, here's how it fell out for the locals: *Bill O'brien-still playing in top 4 with Lion Military- top Lion *Phil Schaeffer- top 32 with Phoenix honor/switch *Leo Tartaglia-just missed top 32 in 37th Place with Crab Military at 5/3 *Mitch Teague-Offically 4/4 with Crab military *David Che-Top Unicorn with 5/3-missed the cut at 33rd or 34th place. *Dave Metz-Crane honor with a 4/4 record *Casey Smith-Best play of the day *Casey Smith and Jim Procter-Tied for top enlightenment with two enlightened victories apiece. I won't be making it to LA next week, but will be at Kubla Con in Frisco at the end of the month. Look forward to seeing the bunch of you there. Mitch __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From cloak72 at yahoo.com Sun May 2 18:12:39 2004 From: cloak72 at yahoo.com (Robert Van Natter) Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 15:12:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [L5R-CCG] Re: Ruling Questions (Pt 2) In-Reply-To: <15d.33f10451.2dc679bb@aol.com> Message-ID: <20040502221239.25579.qmail@web41812.mail.yahoo.com> Comments Below --- TreguardD at aol.com wrote: > > > <<> By the Kuro's Fire ruling, "Produce" (or Make) > > refers to only the 2nd stage. > > > > [Robert] Forget KF for a moment. I have a > personality with RA 3. This means that I can Declare > a ranged 3 attack, and NOTHING else. What I will > Produce is something else, and dependant on several > game conditions. If Xushen is around, I will Produce > a ranged 1, if higher ground is in play (minus the > Xushen ;) ) a ranged 4>> > > > No. Uh-uh. Wrong. > > You have a Personality who can Produce a Ranged 3. > That means after all > modifiers have taken place, the strength of the > ranged had *better* be 3. If > "Produce" refers to the first step, then Kuro's Fire > solves itself. Produce *only* > looks at the second step, the actual strength of the > Ranged Attack. [Robert] So then ANYTHING that changes the strength of a Ranged Attack by your logic DOES NOT DO ANYTHING. Hiruma Archers (assuming they are attached to a Crab) Declare a RA 4. If Higher Ground is in play, they Produce a RA 5. How is this hard to understand? If Xushen's trait is active, they produce a RA 2. It's that simple. > > > <<> << For instance, lets reverse things. If you > have > > Higher Ground in play, > > should you be forced to declare a RA of N-1 in > order > > to produce your > > personalities RA: N? >> > > > > By above, Yes. > > > > [Robert] No, you won't. A Personality with a RA 3 > will still have to Declare a RA 3. Higher Ground > will > pump it up to a RA 4. If what you are suggesting is > true, then ANY card that modified a RA would be less > than pointless. If I am reading you correctly, you > suggest that my Personality with a RA 3 would have > to > declare a RA 2 so that when Higher Ground pumps it, > it > would produce a RA 3. What would be the point of > Higher Ground then?>> > > It must be to change the strength of the Ranged > Attack you announce. It will > have no other effect. (If you want to get techincal, > I'm going to point at old > templating. Was the 'Smart Card' ruling around > during Forbidden Knowledge?) > > > > <<> > > (For the continuation of this commentary, remember > > the way I see Kuro's fire > > is being read: > > > > [Produce] a number of consecutive ranged attacks > up > > to the Shugenja's Chi. > > The [produced] ranged attacks' total strength > > cannot exceed the Shugenja's > > Force plus Chi. > > [Robert] This is essentialy true, but you are > forgetting/ignoring that there is a delaration > portion > to the RAs. >> > > No, I'm not. In the wake of the Kuro's Fire ruling, > It merely appears to be > irrelevant. The wording on Kuro's Fire is almost > exactily the same as the > wording used on every single other ranged attack, > yet it works differently. Why? [Robert] It's not irrelevant, it's even MORE relevant. That is what causes KF to work the way it does. > > < makes sense to me :) KF is a card that breaks the > rules. Just like many others in the game. The rules > say that my personalities bow when they go home from > a > battle, Rally Cry breaks that and they don't >> > > Rallying Cry changes the rules. Kuro's Fire causes > the rules to go into a > corner and beg for mercy. > > > <<> And if that wasn't confusing enough, here's > another > > scenario. > > > > Shinjo Xushen Experience had his Gempukku and > gained > > the Shugenja trait. > > > > My opponent, a Phoenix player, has a 2/4 shugenja > > with Kuro's Fire attached. > > > > In a combat where Xushen assigned as infantry, he > > bows to declare a ranged > > attack against my poor Moto Chagatai Experienced, > > declaring it as a ranged 8, so > > that it will kill the poor Force 6 Champion. > > > > Xushen challenges the caster to a Test of Magic, > but > > loses (and thus, dies). > > > > *Now* does my opponent lose for attempting to take > > an illegal action? > > [Robert] No, because when he Declared the attack, it > wasn't an illegal action.>> > > But when he performed it, it was. Shouldn't a > reasonable opponent know better > to attempt an action that he could not legally > perform? (Yes. That's Sarcasm.) > [Robert] So, as a reasonable opponent, I shouldn't do anything because something I don't know anything about might concievably make my action illegal? That's pretty much what you've suggested. I don't target Xushen, boost the RA by two, you play a card from your HAND which I know NOTHING ABOUT...................... Do you see where this is leading? > -Daren > > _______________________________________________ > L5r-ccg mailing list > L5r-ccg at alderac.com > http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com ===== Hiruma Ayslyn Crab Clan Professional Medler Scout Samurai Hero "We are all just Samurai brother, but when we stand together, we are the Crab" "Pain shared is pain divided; joy shared is joy multiplied" Everything I needed to know, I learned from drinking at Callahan's __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From diablo_5 at hotmail.com Sun May 2 20:03:29 2004 From: diablo_5 at hotmail.com (Andrew Laderoute) Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 20:03:29 -0400 Subject: [L5R-CCG] [JEFF] Unrelease Cards Message-ID: Jeff, why do all of these cards show up on Card Vault? Hatsue Otomo Ishihama Yozo Sennin Keeper of Air Keeper of Earth Tamori's Flame Toku's Grave To Start a Dark Path Shrine to Tsukune Interesting Times Forward Observer Crescent Moon Cut Scouting Report They are all marked promo. What exactly are they? I won't post card text unless people ask me too. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Hida Ryushi 4F/4C 0HR/10G/2PH Crab Clan Samurai*Tactician*Yu 3*Unique Tactical Battle: Ryushi gains a Force bonus equal to his Yu value. "My father was never seen after the Rain of Blood, his promise never fulfilled. I will find him, or keep the promise he made, whatever it takes." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium with Virus Guard and Firewall* from McAfee? Security : 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From kaioto at yahoo.com Sun May 2 20:03:49 2004 From: kaioto at yahoo.com (Martin Lund) Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 17:03:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [L5R-CCG] Re: Rulings Pt 2 In-Reply-To: <3CC37612.5DACDB94.029AEC1A@aol.com> Message-ID: <20040503000349.41012.qmail@web90007.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Comments Below: --- TreguardD at aol.com wrote: > > why this is relevent. Produce N, > Produce N+1, Or produce X and Produce Y such ath X+Y > = N. You're still producing Ranged. [MARTY] Simple. One requires you to make a choice, and one does not. > >>Secondly, it has a restriction on that choice > based on the projected outcome - the Strength > produced on Resolution of Effects.<< > > You still haven't answered the inherent question. > Why does "Produce" on every other attack card look > at the beginning, and yet "Total Ranged attacks > Produced" look at the end? [MARTY] Choice + Restriction of outcome is not the same as a fixed value, even if both use the word "produce." You don't have to make any choices about what Strength RA to do when you have a card with a printed RA Strength value. - Marty Lund Deputy Rules Monkey __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From kaioto at yahoo.com Sun May 2 20:08:07 2004 From: kaioto at yahoo.com (Martin Lund) Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 17:08:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [L5R-CCG] Rules for 30 April 2004 Message-ID: <20040503000807.59247.qmail@web90005.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Rules for Friday, April 30, 2004 * * * * * * * * * * From: "Joseph Provenzano" Date: Fri Apr 30, 2004 9:23 am Subject: [L5R-CCG] Bone of the Tattered Ear > What kind of tokens are the Pack tokens? Are they followers? In a previous > post from around September when mentioned with the Dragon Pearl it was ruled > that the tokens did not effect the Bone and therefore could not be copied by > the Dragon Pearl. That makes it sound like they would be a type of follower > token. Would that not be correct? And if so do they classify as Ratling > Packs? They not follower tokens, nor are the "permanent changes to the card." They are Pack tokens, and nothing else - not Items, not Followers, not Ratlings, just Pack tokens for what it is worth. * * * * * * * * * * From: "Eric Wiener" Date: Fri Apr 30, 2004 2:18 pm Subject: [L5R-CCG] The Legions Charge + Show of Good Faith > I took a Personality with SoGF and ditched it to Refuge of the Three > Sisters, obtained a Kolat Assassin and killed another of my opponent's > personalities. > > He played The Legion's Charge. I don't think that is a legal play > because I only killed one of his personalities as the other was my > personality at the time of destruction. My opponent disagrees with that > assessment. > > So did I satisfy the trigger for The Legion's Charge? Nope. It wasn't one of his cards when you used Refuge of the Three Sisters. Also, she wasn't destroyed, she was removed from the game. "Being removed from the game or discarded does not count as destruction. [24 May 1999; JA, 15 October 2002]" (Accumulated Rulings, "Death and Destruction") * * * * * * * * * * From: Sphynx at a... Date: Fri Apr 30, 2004 5:59 pm Subject: [L5R-CCG] [Rules] More questions! > 1) Can the Ichiro's Yumi ranged attack be combined with a ranged attack from > another card in the unit? It seems to be "no" because you don't know if the > personality will have a low enough force to be able to use the Yumi ranged > attack in the first place (because you don't know if it will be redirected or > not). I don't see why any of that matters. You could have 800 Force and still be a legal target for a Ranged 0 attack. The first effect shouldn't change the legality of the second effect one iota 99% of the time. It may change the ultimate outcome though (lives or dies). However, what Jeff says still stands, the RA is conditional on targeting legality once the first effect is resolved, which will run afoul of this rule. "Combining Ranged Attacks must be announced when the action is announced, before targeting. [Reversal, JA, 8 December 2003]" (Accumulated Rulings, "Ranged Attacks") > 2) If I have a personality with Kuro's Fire in a battle, and my opponent > moves someone out, can I use Taut Bowstrings to shoot with the Kuro's Fire? If > so, is the ranged attack coming from the Kuro's or the personality? Taut Bowstrings says, "Reaction: Play after a unit moves into a Province or before a unit leaves a Province to make a ranged attack targeting it from your opposing cards in that Province. Your cards need not bow to produce this attack." You can produce one RA from Kuro's Fire combined with any other cards in that same unit and none of them need bow. The RA comes from the Kuro's Fire, but the caster need not bow. > 3) If I have a bowed personality in a battle that has a ranged attack, can > they use that ranged attack as part of Taut Bowstrings? You still can't use Actions on your bowed cards, even if you need not bow to produce the Action. * * * * * * * * * * From: "Hirumatsu Dem-kai" Date: Fri Apr 30, 2004 6:17 pm Subject: [L5R-CCG] [RULES] Strategic Assassin and Hida Katai > Can you attach Strategic Assassin to Hida Katai as a battle action? > > Related text: > > Strategic Assassin: "Will only attach to a Samurai, Bushi, or Ninja. Will attach > to a Scorpian Clan or Ninja Personality regardless of Personal Honor. You may > attach Strategic Assassin from your hand as a Battle action." > > Hida Katai: "Once per turn, you may attach a Follower to Katai from your discard > pile as if it were in your hand." Well, when applying Katai's trait, the answer to "Is that card coming from your hand?" is "Yes." That means you could attach Strategic Assassins from the Discard Pile to Hida Katai once per turn. * * * * * * * * * * From: Sphynx at a... Date: Fri Apr 30, 2004 7:42 pm Subject: [L5R-CCG] [Rules] More questions... > If Shiba Yoma is in a battle and an opposing unit moves out or in, can I Taut > Bowstrings and use a ranged attack from a personality with a spell outside > the battle? > > Ditto with Agasha Chieh exp. Taut Bowstrings is actually a pretty messy card in terms of clear rulings. I'm going to say, "Yes," on both these questions, but I could see it going the other way if Jeff wanted to. Those units are considered opposing when they cast their spell to make their Ranged Attack, so they should be as eligible as anyone else when you check to see if the move is legal. * * * * * * * * * * From: "Chris Ostermann" Date: Fri Apr 30, 2004 8:51 pm Subject: [L5R-CCG] Wedge/Movement > Based on the recent Kwanchai xp rulings, if one of my Wedged Personalities > gets sent home (Block Supply Lines, for instance), am I correct in assuming > I can use the Right Hand to negate the movement? If I am extrapolating > correctly, I am targeting and negating the movement, not the Wedged > Personality. Correct * * * * * * * * * * From: "Ben Franks" Date: Fri Apr 30, 2004 8:57 pm Subject: [L5R-CCG] Question about singular and contested holding. > If I contested holding someones Singular holding, and get control of it does > it still count as them having it in play? ie as singular they cannot bring > out another? It counts as its current controller's one copy he can have in play at a time. > if not, what happens If i gain control of a singualar holding and already > the same singular holding out You can't. That effect is Negated. * * * * * * * * * * That looks like it for the stuff that wasn't taken care of in-thread, Friday, April 30, 2004. If I missed your question, please repost it with the flag [RULES] in the subject line. Thanks folks, - Marty Lund Deputy Rules Monkey __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From bh350 at aegbountyhunter.com Sun May 2 20:34:04 2004 From: bh350 at aegbountyhunter.com (Rusty Priske) Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 20:34:04 -0400 Subject: [L5R-CCG] southern australian kotei result Message-ID: > Congratulations to Thomas Delbosc who is the new Kotei champion for the > region. So, who did he choose for the story prize? Rusty Priske _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From kaioto at yahoo.com Sun May 2 18:49:53 2004 From: kaioto at yahoo.com (Martin Lund) Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 15:49:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [L5R-CCG] Extra Actions / Patience / Passing Message-ID: <20040502224953.10355.qmail@web90003.mail.scd.yahoo.com> I exchanged emails with Jeff on this topic. Any time you have an extra opportunity to take an Open or Battle Action during the Battle Action Segment, you normally get the option to "pass" instead of playing an Action. If you have an extra opportunity to take an action that instructs you to do something is specific (Superior Strategist, Blade of Truths) then you don't get a choice to pass instead of taking the prescribed action / effect. So, if you choose to gain an additional action from playing a Formation, you can play an Open or Battle Action, or you can pass. Note that both the Formation Rules and Lotus At Dusk give you the choice of gaining the opportunity or not. You don't have to gain it if you don't want to get stuck passing. - Marty Lund Deputy Rules Monkey __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From jadehand at selikoff.net Sun May 2 21:58:39 2004 From: jadehand at selikoff.net (Matt Dalen) Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 21:58:39 -0400 Subject: [L5R-CCG] [RULES] Ambush + Loyal Yojimbo Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040502212027.01eb5300@mail.selikoff.net> Question: is dying in a battle created by an ambush a card effect caused by Loyal Yojimbo? I don't *think* so, since all Ambush does is create a battle - it's the rulebook's battle resolution that actually destroys the personality. But I can see it argued the other way. Tamori Shosei (Matt Dalen) Dragon Clan Alchemist ? Jade Hand Scribe ? Ricepaper Shugenja "Victoly!!!" http://jadehand.selikoff.net _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From chris at gamersvalhalla.com.au Sun May 2 22:16:29 2004 From: chris at gamersvalhalla.com.au (KniVes) Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 12:16:29 +1000 Subject: [L5R-CCG] [JEFF] Unrelease Cards References: Message-ID: <001c01c430b4$a58dd9c0$0f00000a@me> Please post the card text. It would be much appreciated KniVes... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Laderoute" To: Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 10:03 AM Subject: [L5R-CCG] [JEFF] Unrelease Cards > Jeff, why do all of these cards show up on Card Vault? > > Hatsue > Otomo Ishihama > Yozo > Sennin > Keeper of Air > Keeper of Earth > Tamori's Flame > Toku's Grave > To Start a Dark Path > Shrine to Tsukune > Interesting Times > Forward Observer > Crescent Moon Cut > Scouting Report > > They are all marked promo. What exactly are they? > > I won't post card text unless people ask me too. > > ---------------------------------------------------------- ------------ > Hida Ryushi > 4F/4C > 0HR/10G/2PH > Crab Clan Samurai*Tactician*Yu 3*Unique > Tactical Battle: Ryushi gains a Force bonus equal to his Yu value. > "My father was never seen after the Rain of Blood, his promise never > fulfilled. I will find him, or keep the promise he made, whatever it > takes." > ---------------------------------------------------------- ------------- > > ____________________________________________________________ _____ > MSN Premium with Virus Guard and Firewall* from McAfee? Security : 2 months > FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines > > > _______________________________________________ > L5r-ccg mailing list > L5r-ccg at alderac.com > http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com > _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From asukalsohryu at comcast.net Sun May 2 22:20:52 2004 From: asukalsohryu at comcast.net (Asuka) Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 22:20:52 -0400 Subject: [L5R-CCG] [rules] Direct Assault References: Message-ID: <001d01c430b5$426b2b30$6601a8c0@ASUKA> Quick question, what is actually involved in bowing a unit as a cost for the action on this formation? Does this require that you be able to bow all cards in a unit or just those capable of bowing when fulfilling costs? For example if a unit had an attached a follower and an item like Daikyu which bows itself to produce the action does it require the item to bow as well? If the item has already been bowed for its range attack is the unit no longer capable of doing so? Ditto for the follower who could be bowed because of a previous action such as fear or a Peasent Vengence is currently bowed? -A _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From arthur at halavais.net Sun May 2 22:32:54 2004 From: arthur at halavais.net (Arthur Halavais) Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 02:32:54 +0000 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Re: L5r-ccg Digest, Vol 11, Issue 4 Message-ID: <20040503023255.22408.qmail@station171.com> > > Jeff, why do all of these cards show up on Card Vault? > > Hatsue > Otomo Ishihama > Yozo > Sennin > Keeper of Air > Keeper of Earth > Tamori's Flame > Toku's Grave > To Start a Dark Path > Shrine to Tsukune > Interesting Times > Forward Observer > Crescent Moon Cut > Scouting Report If Toku ends up dying before getting another experienced version, I am going to be very, very, very upset. As in, upset enough to look into reanimation... Yogo Aroso * Scorpion Clan Shugenja *Really Unique _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From tkdyanni at ameritech.net Mon May 3 00:37:21 2004 From: tkdyanni at ameritech.net (jon) Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 21:37:21 -0700 Subject: [L5R-CCG] [JEFF] Unrelease Cards References: <001c01c430b4$a58dd9c0$0f00000a@me> Message-ID: <002001c430c8$550e27c0$76d0fea9@v2z1v1> I broke down and am selling sennin. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33051&item=3191122399 &rd=1 Jon --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.672 / Virus Database: 434 - Release Date: 4/28/04 _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From azaroth at liverpool.ac.uk Sun May 2 22:44:00 2004 From: azaroth at liverpool.ac.uk (Robert Sanderson) Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 03:44:00 +0100 (BST) Subject: [L5R-CCG] Re: Unreleased Cards for download In-Reply-To: Message-ID: All, I've put a zip file of the exported images from Card Vault up at http://www.cardsnotwords.com/ in the downloads section. For those who want to see the new text, rather than have them spoiled on the list for people who don't want to know. HTH :) Rob -- ,'/:. Dr Robert Sanderson (azaroth at liverpool.ac.uk) ,'-/::::. http://www.o-r-g.org/~azaroth/ ,'--/::(@)::. Special Collections and Archives, extension 3142 ,'---/::::::::::. Nebmedes: http://nebmedes.o-r-g.org:8000/ ____/:::::::::::::. I L L U M I N A T I _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From neilsmithies at optusnet.com.au Sun May 2 23:17:39 2004 From: neilsmithies at optusnet.com.au (neilsmithies at optusnet.com.au) Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 13:17:39 +1000 Subject: [L5R-CCG] southern australian kotei result Message-ID: <200405030317.i433Hd617683@mail011.syd.optusnet.com.au> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://h4x0r5.com/pipermail/l5rinfo/attachments/20040503/0d332103/attachment.diff From cloak72 at yahoo.com Sun May 2 23:30:30 2004 From: cloak72 at yahoo.com (Robert Van Natter) Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 20:30:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [L5R-CCG] [JEFF] Unrelease Cards In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040503033030.23752.qmail@web41809.mail.yahoo.com> They are promos..... :) I know Crescent Moon Cut is ... Erm... I think it's French, and Shrine to Tsukune was a generic tourney prize.... --- Andrew Laderoute wrote: > Jeff, why do all of these cards show up on Card > Vault? > > Hatsue > Otomo Ishihama > Yozo > Sennin > Keeper of Air > Keeper of Earth > Tamori's Flame > Toku's Grave > To Start a Dark Path > Shrine to Tsukune > Interesting Times > Forward Observer > Crescent Moon Cut > Scouting Report > > They are all marked promo. What exactly are they? > > I won't post card text unless people ask me too. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Hida Ryushi > 4F/4C > 0HR/10G/2PH > Crab Clan Samurai*Tactician*Yu 3*Unique > Tactical Battle: Ryushi gains a Force bonus equal to > his Yu value. > "My father was never seen after the Rain of Blood, > his promise never > fulfilled. I will find him, or keep the promise he > made, whatever it > takes." > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Premium with Virus Guard and Firewall* from > McAfee? Security : 2 months > FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines > > > _______________________________________________ > L5r-ccg mailing list > L5r-ccg at alderac.com > http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com ===== Hiruma Ayslyn Crab Clan Professional Medler Scout Samurai Hero "We are all just Samurai brother, but when we stand together, we are the Crab" "Pain shared is pain divided; joy shared is joy multiplied" Everything I needed to know, I learned from drinking at Callahan's __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From chris at gamersvalhalla.com.au Sun May 2 23:42:06 2004 From: chris at gamersvalhalla.com.au (KniVes) Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 13:42:06 +1000 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Re: Unreleased Cards for download References: Message-ID: <004901c430c0$9bb80900$0f00000a@me> Danke. Much interesting things these Promos are. I wonder if they will be part of the Enlightenment Season packs? KniVes... PK Ninja! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Sanderson" To: Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 12:44 PM Subject: [L5R-CCG] Re: Unreleased Cards for download > > All, > > I've put a zip file of the exported images from Card Vault up at > http://www.cardsnotwords.com/ > in the downloads section. > > For those who want to see the new text, rather than have them spoiled on > the list for people who don't want to know. > > HTH :) > > Rob > > -- > ,'/:. Dr Robert Sanderson (azaroth at liverpool.ac.uk) > ,'-/::::. http://www.o-r-g.org/~azaroth/ > ,'--/::(@)::. Special Collections and Archives, extension 3142 > ,'---/::::::::::. Nebmedes: http://nebmedes.o-r-g.org:8000/ > ____/:::::::::::::. > I L L U M I N A T I > > > > > _______________________________________________ > L5r-ccg mailing list > L5r-ccg at alderac.com > http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com > _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From cloak72 at yahoo.com Sun May 2 23:35:38 2004 From: cloak72 at yahoo.com (Robert Van Natter) Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 20:35:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [L5R-CCG] [rules] Direct Assault In-Reply-To: <001d01c430b5$426b2b30$6601a8c0@ASUKA> Message-ID: <20040503033538.68264.qmail@web41808.mail.yahoo.com> It was ruled that Bowing a Unit requires you to be able to bow every card in that unit at the time. So if some of the cards are already bowed, then it's No Go. --- Asuka wrote: > Quick question, what is actually involved in bowing > a unit as a cost for the > action on this formation? Does this require that you > be able to bow all > cards in a unit or just those capable of bowing when > fulfilling costs? For > example if a unit had an attached a follower and an > item like Daikyu which > bows itself to produce the action does it require > the item to bow as well? > If the item has already been bowed for its range > attack is the unit no > longer capable of doing so? Ditto for the follower > who could be bowed > because of a previous action such as fear or a > Peasent Vengence is currently > bowed? > > -A > > > > _______________________________________________ > L5r-ccg mailing list > L5r-ccg at alderac.com > http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com ===== Hiruma Ayslyn Crab Clan Professional Medler Scout Samurai Hero "We are all just Samurai brother, but when we stand together, we are the Crab" "Pain shared is pain divided; joy shared is joy multiplied" Everything I needed to know, I learned from drinking at Callahan's __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From Sphynx at aol.com Mon May 3 00:20:07 2004 From: Sphynx at aol.com (Sphynx at aol.com) Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 00:20:07 EDT Subject: [L5R-CCG] Rules for 30 April 2004 Message-ID: <21.3db7d1fc.2dc72277@aol.com> In a message dated 5/2/04 5:08:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time, kaioto at yahoo.com writes: > 1) Can the Ichiro's Yumi ranged attack be combined with a ranged attack from > another card in the unit? It seems to be "no" because you don't know if the > personality will have a low enough force to be able to use the Yumi ranged > attack in the first place (because you don't know if it will be redirected or > not). I don't see why any of that matters. You could have 800 Force and still be a legal target for a Ranged 0 attack. The first effect shouldn't change the legality of the second effect one iota 99% of the time. It may change the ultimate outcome though (lives or dies). Well the reasoning I would use is this... Case 1: I have a shugenja with no followers in a battle and a Danjuro with a follower. My opponent announces that he wants to use the Yumi on my shugenja and combine with an ashigaru archers. If the archers must be announced at the same time as the Yumi (because the Yumi ranged attack is part of the Yumi action) then I can't redirect the action to Danjuro because he's not a legal target for the ranged attack. Case 2: My opponent bows the Yumi to target my shuggy and I redirect the force loss to Danjuro...he's now not a legal target for the ranged 0 so he has nothing to combine with ashigaru archers with. Clear as mud. Ookami Koan Dragon Clan Master of Mujina, Monk, Legion of the Wolf Mischievous Lackey to Rob Bowman 3rd Member of Team 3rd Place _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From teiran at prodigy.net Sun May 2 13:57:02 2004 From: teiran at prodigy.net (Teiran) Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 12:57:02 -0500 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Rules for 30 April 2004 References: <20040503000807.59247.qmail@web90005.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004301c4306f$b6458910$9405000a@dragon> Well, that line of the card is fairly important, as the Yumi can target a personality with followers for the force reduction, even though it can't make the ranged attack. But could you clarify something, because I'm somewhat confused. You are saying that the Yumi's ranged 0 attack cannot be combined with any other ranged attack, even when you know that the Yumi's ranged attack will be legal before the force reduction effect? -Togashi Teiran Dragon Clan Monk * Tattooed * Storyteller We are the Dragon, We tell our own tale. > From: Sphynx at a... > Date: Fri Apr 30, 2004 5:59 pm > Subject: [L5R-CCG] [Rules] More questions! > > > 1) Can the Ichiro's Yumi ranged attack be combined > with a ranged attack from > > another card in the unit? It seems to be "no" > because you don't know if the > > personality will have a low enough force to be able > to use the Yumi ranged > > attack in the first place (because you don't know if > it will be redirected or > > not). > > I don't see why any of that matters. You could have > 800 Force and still be a legal target for a Ranged 0 > attack. The first effect shouldn't change the legality > of the second effect one iota 99% of the time. It may > change the ultimate outcome though (lives or dies). > > However, what Jeff says still stands, the RA is > conditional on targeting legality once the first > effect is resolved, which will run afoul of this rule. > > "Combining Ranged Attacks must be announced when the > action is announced, before targeting. [Reversal, JA, > 8 December 2003]" (Accumulated Rulings, "Ranged > Attacks") > _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From dwight at mowbray.au.com Mon May 3 02:20:53 2004 From: dwight at mowbray.au.com (Dwight Mowbray) Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 16:20:53 +1000 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Overwhelmed + Turn of Fortune References: <21.3db7d1fc.2dc72277@aol.com> Message-ID: <009001c430d8$4d364d10$4f01a8c0@azhrei> Can I play an Overwhelmed, and then play Turn of Fortune and redirect my own destruction to another personality of mine in the battle? Thanks, Dwight. _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From bobyager at alliancecom.net Sun May 2 22:40:48 2004 From: bobyager at alliancecom.net (Bob Yager) Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 21:40:48 -0500 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Fiction by Shawn Carmen Message-ID: <48FEF79D-9CAB-11D8-80B0-00039386DFDC@alliancecom.net> Specters is a damn fine piece of fiction. Were I a Scorpion, I would be extremely pleased with the piece. Thank you, Shawn! _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From neekblas at hotmail.com Mon May 3 03:20:29 2004 From: neekblas at hotmail.com (Nick Blas) Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 07:20:29 +0000 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Item tokens Message-ID: Are you allowed to bow item tokens? Nick. _________________________________________________________________ Stop worrying about overloading your inbox - get MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=hotmail/es2&ST=1/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From GojuKaze at wanadoo.fr Mon May 3 03:24:20 2004 From: GojuKaze at wanadoo.fr (Goju Kaze) Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 09:24:20 +0200 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Item tokens References: Message-ID: <004301c430df$a6e96390$0a321d0a@marmotte> You can only bow cards, so unless the creation of the item token tell you it's ALSO a card, you can't. Only follower Token are also considered cards. Goju Kaze ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Blas" To: Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 9:20 AM Subject: [L5R-CCG] Item tokens > > Are you allowed to bow item tokens? > > Nick. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Stop worrying about overloading your inbox - get MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=hotmail/es2&ST=1/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ > > > _______________________________________________ > L5r-ccg mailing list > L5r-ccg at alderac.com > http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From npg at internode.on.net Mon May 3 04:49:49 2004 From: npg at internode.on.net (Nick Grebneff) Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 18:19:49 +0930 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Secluded Outpost + Emerald Armor [RULES] In-Reply-To: <004301c430df$a6e96390$0a321d0a@marmotte> Message-ID: <001201c430eb$9e87bc40$16226596@kyudenbayushi> If I have 2 Secl. Outposts that I use to pay for a Samurai and then after bringing said samurai into play, attach the Emerald Armor, can I then bring in a 7G Follower for free? The Emerald Armor reduces Follower costs by 3 to a minimum of 1 so I want to know if that minimum is applied at the end of calculating cost or I can apply the Armor reduction first 7-3= 4G and then apply the Outpost reduction to make the follower come into play for free. _______________________________________________ Bayushi Kusai . Scorpion Clan . Samurai . Ninja "Do not fear your enemies. Only a friend can betray you." - Bayushi's Lies _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From bh350 at aegbountyhunter.com Mon May 3 07:17:53 2004 From: bh350 at aegbountyhunter.com (Rusty Priske) Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 07:17:53 -0400 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Secluded Outpost + Emerald Armor [RULES] Message-ID: > If I have 2 Secl. Outposts that I use to pay for a Samurai > and then after bringing said samurai into play, attach the > Emerald Armor, can I then bring in a 7G Follower for free? > The Emerald Armor reduces Follower costs by 3 to a minimum > of 1 so I want to know if that minimum is applied at the > end of calculating cost or I can apply the Armor reduction > first 7-3= 4G and then apply the Outpost reduction to make > the follower come into play for free. Minimums are "hard" minimums, so it doesn't matte what order you do the reactions in, the follower will still cost one. Rusty Priske _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From bh350 at aegbountyhunter.com Mon May 3 08:59:39 2004 From: bh350 at aegbountyhunter.com (Rusty Priske) Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 08:59:39 -0400 Subject: [L5R-CCG] RULES Message-ID: I have a question from one of my players: Here is that question about Gold Buys Security. It reads: Bow one of your Courtiers to target one or more Personalities. Each time any of those Personalities assigns or moves to attack you, his controller loses Honor equal to the Personalitiy's Personal Honor, then the Personality is dishonored. This card's Gold cost equals your starting Family Honor(minimum of 1) times the number of other Personalities targeted. Question is in regard to last sentence, the way this card reads is the first target seems free, and you pay X1 for 2nd target, X2 for 3 targets and so on. Since it is a multiple based on the number of "other" Personalities targeted. Is this correct? Thanks, Gaston -- _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From togashi.shin at free.fr Mon May 3 09:05:57 2004 From: togashi.shin at free.fr (Togashi Imura) Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 15:05:57 +0200 Subject: [L5R-CCG] RULES References: Message-ID: <000801c4310f$5fe88180$468ae78a@imuradono> Well, I'm pretty sure it isn't : when you target 2 personnalities, you definitely target 2, then you pay SFHx2. If you target one, you only pay SFH. Other probably means that you're courtier doesn't count towards this number. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rusty Priske" To: Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 2:59 PM Subject: [L5R-CCG] RULES > I have a question from one of my players: > > > > Here is that question about Gold Buys Security. > > It reads: Bow one of your Courtiers to target one or more > Personalities. Each time any of those Personalities assigns or moves to > attack you, his controller loses Honor equal to the Personalitiy's > Personal Honor, then the Personality is dishonored. This card's Gold > cost equals your starting Family Honor(minimum of 1) times the number > of other Personalities targeted. > Question is in regard to last sentence, the way this card reads is the > first target seems free, and you pay X1 for 2nd target, X2 for 3 > targets and so on. Since it is a multiple based on the number > of "other" Personalities targeted. Is this correct? > > Thanks, > Gaston > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > L5r-ccg mailing list > L5r-ccg at alderac.com > http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com > _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From kschafer at nazarenefoundation.org Mon May 3 09:17:30 2004 From: kschafer at nazarenefoundation.org (Kevin Schafer) Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 08:17:30 -0500 Subject: [L5R-CCG] RULES In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000801c43110$fd41eb50$6401a8c0@domain.local> It says other personalities targeted because it targets the courtier who is bowed, but you don't have to pay for him. Kevin Schafer > -----Original Message----- > From: L5r-ccg-bounces at alderac.com [mailto:L5r-ccg-bounces at alderac.com] On > Behalf Of Rusty Priske > Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 8:00 AM > To: l5r-ccg at alderac.com > Subject: [L5R-CCG] RULES > > I have a question from one of my players: > > > > Here is that question about Gold Buys Security. > > It reads: Bow one of your Courtiers to target one or more > Personalities. Each time any of those Personalities assigns or moves to > attack you, his controller loses Honor equal to the Personalitiy's > Personal Honor, then the Personality is dishonored. This card's Gold > cost equals your starting Family Honor(minimum of 1) times the number > of other Personalities targeted. > Question is in regard to last sentence, the way this card reads is the > first target seems free, and you pay X1 for 2nd target, X2 for 3 > targets and so on. Since it is a multiple based on the number > of "other" Personalities targeted. Is this correct? > > Thanks, > Gaston > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > L5r-ccg mailing list > L5r-ccg at alderac.com > http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From hunter.rose at att.net Mon May 3 11:32:15 2004 From: hunter.rose at att.net (John Hampton) Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 11:32:15 -0400 Subject: [L5R-CCG] [JEFF] Unrelease Cards In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <40962DBF.13071.3ACCE3@localhost> On Sunday, May 02, 2004 at 20:03:29 -0400, "Andrew Laderoute" wrote: > Jeff, why do all of these cards show up on Card Vault? > > > They are all marked promo. What exactly are they? Considering that Lone Wolf recently got the info for Hidden City from AEG, my guess is that AEG piggybacked their recent sheet of promos on to the spoiler. Lone Wolf then processed the whole file and to produce the HC info for Card Vault.----------------------------------- ----------------------- John Hampton III usagi.k1 at att.net BH#538 "In times of distress, profanity furnishes a relief denied even to prayer." -- Mark Twain _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From hunter.rose at att.net Mon May 3 11:41:50 2004 From: hunter.rose at att.net (John Hampton) Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 11:41:50 -0400 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Re: Sennin In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <40962FFE.20737.439422@localhost> On Sun, 2 May 2004 21:37:21 -0700, "jon" wrote: > I broke down and am selling sennin. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33051&item=31911223 > 99 &rd=1 Pretty cool card. My first question would be to ask if AEG lost their image file for the Brotherhood frame. :\ I'm not sure how useful bowing 3 force for 3 gold is, but there's always Shrine of Stone. [looks at the $20 bid as of this writing] Wow. Considering this card is going to be given away en masse in some form in the future, that's an amazing price. Now I know what to do if I get a mispack in the future. :)------------------------------- --------------------------- John Hampton III usagi.k1 at att.net BH#538 "In times of distress, profanity furnishes a relief denied even to prayer." -- Mark Twain _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From mary at meijhanadesigns.com Mon May 3 11:45:07 2004 From: mary at meijhanadesigns.com (meijhana) Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 08:45:07 -0700 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Re: Sennin References: <40962FFE.20737.439422@localhost> Message-ID: <021c01c43125$9e5a8560$6601a8c0@Mary> and also, it wouldn't be legal to play until the next expansion, right, since if it hadn't come out yet, it doesn't become legal until the next expansion after they do? mei'tchr'foo ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hampton" To: Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 8:41 AM Subject: [L5R-CCG] Re: Sennin > On Sun, 2 May 2004 21:37:21 -0700, "jon" wrote: > > > I broke down and am selling sennin. > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33051&item=31911223 > > 99 &rd=1 > > Pretty cool card. My first question would be to ask if AEG lost > their image file for the Brotherhood frame. :\ I'm not sure how > useful bowing 3 force for 3 gold is, but there's always Shrine of > Stone. > > [looks at the $20 bid as of this writing] > > Wow. Considering this card is going to be given away en masse in > some form in the future, that's an amazing price. Now I know what to > do if I get a mispack in the future. :)------------------------------- > --------------------------- > John Hampton III usagi.k1 at att.net BH#538 > "In times of distress, profanity furnishes a relief denied > even to prayer." -- Mark Twain > > > _______________________________________________ > L5r-ccg mailing list > L5r-ccg at alderac.com > http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com > > _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From lucradan at yahoo.com Mon May 3 12:33:14 2004 From: lucradan at yahoo.com (Lucradan) Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 09:33:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [L5R-CCG] Hero's Banner + 3-Stone River Message-ID: <20040503163314.10026.qmail@web21206.mail.yahoo.com> I've been wondering how these cards interact. Since Hero's Banner is an ongoing effect, will an opposed personality without followers be 0F or 1F for the purpose of resolution. I think it is 0F, but I want to be sure. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From nagaherald at hotmail.com Mon May 3 12:38:30 2004 From: nagaherald at hotmail.com (Joe Reil) Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 12:38:30 -0400 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Re: Sennin Message-ID: > > Wow. Considering this card is going to be given away en masse in > > some form in the future, that's an amazing price. Now I know what to > > do if I get a mispack in the future. :)------------------------------- Never underestimate the spending habits of the impatient. ;) Sure, this card is at least 4 months away from being legal in a tournament (assume the next set comes out in about 3 months and add a month for legality) and will eventually be available in greater numbers (though to be fair we don't know exactly how many) but never mind that! Must have now! :) ? Joe Reil Qashar, the Naga Herald aka Shiba Dokan, Phoenix Jade Hand Samurai ? Yojimbo to Shiba Samoshii Tattooed ? Naga Tattoo _________________________________________________________________ Mother?s Day is May 9. Make it special with great ideas from the Mother?s Day Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04mothersday.armx _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From jalexander at alderac.com Mon May 3 13:12:51 2004 From: jalexander at alderac.com (Jeff Alexander) Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 10:12:51 -0700 Subject: [L5R-CCG] [JEFF] Unrelease Cards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > >Jeff, why do all of these cards show up on Card Vault? Because Card Vault has data on them. > >They are all marked promo. What exactly are they? Promos. Was that a trick question? -- Jeff Alexander Lead Designer, L5R CCG Alderac Entertainment Group _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From kaioto at yahoo.com Mon May 3 13:39:53 2004 From: kaioto at yahoo.com (Martin Lund) Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 10:39:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [L5R-CCG] Rules for 30 April 2004 In-Reply-To: <004301c4306f$b6458910$9405000a@dragon> Message-ID: <20040503173953.87336.qmail@web90001.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Comments Below: --- Teiran wrote: > > But could you clarify something, because I'm > somewhat confused. > > You are saying that the Yumi's ranged 0 attack > cannot be combined with any other ranged attack, even > when you know that the Yumi's ranged attack will > be legal before the force reduction effect? [MARTY] Actually, Jeff said it, not me. > >1) Can the Ichiro's Yumi ranged attack be combined > >with a ranged attack from another card in the unit? > > No. It is conditional and not known at the time the > action must be taken. > > -- Jeff Alexander Lead Designer, L5R CCG Alderac > Entertainment Group There is no Ranged Attack yet, when you take the Action, and there may never be one. You won't know until you resolve the first effect whether the second effect triggers successfully or not. At that point, it is too late to combine the Range 0 you just got with another Ranged Attack. - Marty Lund Deputy Rules Monkey __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From diablo_5 at hotmail.com Mon May 3 13:40:22 2004 From: diablo_5 at hotmail.com (Andrew Laderoute) Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 13:40:22 -0400 Subject: [L5R-CCG] [JEFF] Unrelease Cards Message-ID: Well, I knew they were promos. But why did so many of them go through the HC print run? What are the actual plans for them release-wise, if you can say? If not, that's fine. We'll wait until they come around. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Hida Ryushi 4F/4C 0HR/10G/2PH Crab Clan Samurai*Tactician*Yu 3*Unique Tactical Battle: Ryushi gains a Force bonus equal to his Yu value. "My father was never seen after the Rain of Blood, his promise never fulfilled. I will find him, or keep the promise he made, whatever it takes." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From mary at meijhanadesigns.com Mon May 3 14:37:56 2004 From: mary at meijhanadesigns.com (meijhana) Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 11:37:56 -0700 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Razors Edge Dojo References: <20040503173953.87336.qmail@web90001.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <026001c4313d$c2992900$6601a8c0@Mary> Razors Edge Dojo "The first time each phase each other player targets one of your Personalities with an action, he must discard a card from his hand. Battle: Bow Razor's Edge Dojo to give each of your Crab Clan Personalities in the current battle +1F." So, is the discarding a cost or an effect in this case? If my opponent does not have any cards in his hand can he target one of my personalities if I'm playing RED? Thanks! mei'tchr'foo _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From VegasMentat at aol.com Mon May 3 15:31:38 2004 From: VegasMentat at aol.com (VegasMentat at aol.com) Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 15:31:38 EDT Subject: [L5R-CCG] {Question} Message-ID: Can you bow a Moneylender with 0 gold tokens and a City of gold to produce 1 gold? phil _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From dwinner at comcast.net Mon May 3 15:53:38 2004 From: dwinner at comcast.net (David Winner) Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 13:53:38 -0600 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Rules for 27 April 2004 References: <20040430005609.55540.qmail@web90006.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006101c43148$541b7b30$6500a8c0@q> Any word on this yet? > * * * * * * * * * * > > From: "David Winner" > Date: Tue Apr 27, 2004 11:55 pm > Subject: [L5R-CCG] [RULES] Crude Blade and Seppuku > > > Does this mean that I can attach Crude Blade to one > of my Samurai or > > Courtiers and then have them commit seppuku? > > I'm going to forward this to Jeff. > > "Causes" is a little ambiguous here, and I want to > double-check with Jeff on how far it extends for > Seppuku > > L5r-ccg mailing list > L5r-ccg at alderac.com > http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From mary at meijhanadesigns.com Mon May 3 15:57:28 2004 From: mary at meijhanadesigns.com (meijhana) Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 12:57:28 -0700 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Razors Edge Dojo References: <20040503173953.87336.qmail@web90001.mail.scd.yahoo.com> <026001c4313d$c2992900$6601a8c0@Mary> Message-ID: <029001c43148$deb92b20$6601a8c0@Mary> http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/L5R-CCG-Archive/message/44851 the answer is somewhere in here... me ----- Original Message ----- From: "meijhana" To: Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 11:37 AM Subject: [L5R-CCG] Razors Edge Dojo > Razors Edge Dojo > "The first time each phase each other player targets one of your > Personalities with an action, he must discard a card from his hand. Battle: > Bow Razor's Edge Dojo to give each of your Crab Clan Personalities in the > current battle +1F." > > So, is the discarding a cost or an effect in this case? If my opponent does > not have any cards in his hand can he target one of my personalities if I'm > playing RED? > > Thanks! > mei'tchr'foo > > > _______________________________________________ > L5r-ccg mailing list > L5r-ccg at alderac.com > http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com > > _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From popejubal at yahoo.com Mon May 3 16:14:51 2004 From: popejubal at yahoo.com (Michael Wilson) Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 13:14:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [L5R-CCG] Dark Ring of Fire Message-ID: <20040503201451.80587.qmail@web40406.mail.yahoo.com> Dark Ring of Fire Shadowlands * Lose 5 Honor.This card does not count towards an Enlightenment Victory. Destroy this card if a Ring of Fire enters play. Play this card after winning a duel if you have won more than 1 duel this turn. Elemental Benefit: Cards focused against your Personalities in duels have their focus values reduced by 2. Dark Ring of Fire says to play after winning a duel if you have won more than 1 duel this turn. I had originally read this to mean that I could play it after winning my 3rd duel, but re-reading it, I think I can play this after winning just 2 duels in a turn. Iuchiban throws down a Steel on Steel against Shiba Bob and slaughters him horribly. I've now won a duel. Iuchiban then uses his Maho ability to start a duel against Ikoma Fred and butchers him as well. I've now won more than 1 duel, so I play the Dark Ring of Fire immediately after winning the duel. Also: How do I win an enlightenment victory? Is it enough to have 5 rings in play that don't have a "doesn't count towards enlightenment" trait? For instance, Tch'tch Warrens steals 5 Rings of Earth over the course of a multiplayer game and plays them all. Does the Rat win through Enlightenment? Finally, when is AEG going to print the cards for the rings of Jell-O, Sarcasm and other elements? Pope Jubal Jubal no Oni Dark Oracle of Jell-O --- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From kaioto at yahoo.com Mon May 3 16:30:00 2004 From: kaioto at yahoo.com (Martin Lund) Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 13:30:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [L5R-CCG] Rules for 27 April 2004 In-Reply-To: <006101c43148$541b7b30$6500a8c0@q> Message-ID: <20040503203000.39279.qmail@web90010.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Jeff said attaching an Item that causes Honor Loss would be good enough to cause you to commit Seppuku. - Marty Lund Deputy Rules Monkey --- David Winner wrote: > Any word on this yet? > > > * * * * * * * * * * > > > > From: "David Winner" > > Date: Tue Apr 27, 2004 11:55 pm > > Subject: [L5R-CCG] [RULES] Crude Blade and > Seppuku > > > > > Does this mean that I can attach Crude Blade to > one > > of my Samurai or > > > Courtiers and then have them commit seppuku? > > > > I'm going to forward this to Jeff. > > > > "Causes" is a little ambiguous here, and I want to > > double-check with Jeff on how far it extends for > > Seppuku > > > > L5r-ccg mailing list > > L5r-ccg at alderac.com > > > http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com > > _______________________________________________ > L5r-ccg mailing list > L5r-ccg at alderac.com > http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From darel at houseofhate.com Mon May 3 16:35:14 2004 From: darel at houseofhate.com (William Edens) Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 16:35:14 -0400 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Dark Ring of Fire In-Reply-To: <20040503201451.80587.qmail@web40406.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040503201451.80587.qmail@web40406.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1083616514.4096ad0299d30@webmail.houseofhate.com> I'm pretty sure you should be able to play the Dark Ring of Fire after your second victorious duel. Also, for an Enlightenment victory, you have to have one ring of each element in play. Quoting Michael Wilson : > Dark Ring of Fire > Shadowlands * Lose 5 Honor.This card does not count > towards an Enlightenment Victory. Destroy this card if > a Ring of Fire enters play. Play this card after > winning a duel if you have won more than 1 duel this > turn. > Elemental Benefit: Cards focused against your > Personalities in duels have their focus values reduced > by 2. > > Dark Ring of Fire says to play after winning a duel if > you have won more than 1 duel this turn. > > I had originally read this to mean that I could play > it after winning my 3rd duel, but re-reading it, I > think I can play this after winning just 2 duels in a > turn. > > Iuchiban throws down a Steel on Steel against Shiba > Bob and slaughters him horribly. I've now won a duel. > Iuchiban then uses his Maho ability to start a duel > against Ikoma Fred and butchers him as well. I've now > won more than 1 duel, so I play the Dark Ring of Fire > immediately after winning the duel. > > Also: How do I win an enlightenment victory? Is it > enough to have 5 rings in play that don't have a > "doesn't count towards enlightenment" trait? > For instance, Tch'tch Warrens steals 5 Rings of Earth > over the course of a multiplayer game and plays them > all. Does the Rat win through Enlightenment? > > Finally, when is AEG going to print the cards for the > rings of Jell-O, Sarcasm and other elements? > > Pope Jubal > Jubal no Oni > Dark Oracle of Jell-O > --- > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover > > _______________________________________________ > L5r-ccg mailing list > L5r-ccg at alderac.com > http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From mary at meijhanadesigns.com Mon May 3 17:22:58 2004 From: mary at meijhanadesigns.com (meijhana) Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 14:22:58 -0700 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Dark Ring of Fire References: <20040503201451.80587.qmail@web40406.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <02e901c43154$d33fbc80$6601a8c0@Mary> > Finally, when is AEG going to print the cards for the > rings of Jell-O, Sarcasm and other elements? I am looking forward to cherry and strawberry! mei'tchr'foo _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From of_the_dragon_clan_ at hotmail.com Sat May 1 11:06:24 2004 From: of_the_dragon_clan_ at hotmail.com (Jason Lefebvre) Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 09:06:24 -0600 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Dark Ring of Fire References: <20040503201451.80587.qmail@web40406.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Okay... You are correct with the Dark Ring of Fire. But incorrect with your rat and ring of earth. IT says One of EACH ring. 5 in total. You need a Ring of Air, Ring of Fire, Ring of Water, Ring of Void, and a Ring Earth in play. The best clan for that personally i think is Dragon. Satsu is so kewl. But yeah. You need one of each ring to win. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Wilson To: Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 2:14 PM Subject: [L5R-CCG] Dark Ring of Fire > Dark Ring of Fire > Shadowlands * Lose 5 Honor.This card does not count > towards an Enlightenment Victory. Destroy this card if > a Ring of Fire enters play. Play this card after > winning a duel if you have won more than 1 duel this > turn. > Elemental Benefit: Cards focused against your > Personalities in duels have their focus values reduced > by 2. > > Dark Ring of Fire says to play after winning a duel if > you have won more than 1 duel this turn. > > I had originally read this to mean that I could play > it after winning my 3rd duel, but re-reading it, I > think I can play this after winning just 2 duels in a > turn. > > Iuchiban throws down a Steel on Steel against Shiba > Bob and slaughters him horribly. I've now won a duel. > Iuchiban then uses his Maho ability to start a duel > against Ikoma Fred and butchers him as well. I've now > won more than 1 duel, so I play the Dark Ring of Fire > immediately after winning the duel. > > Also: How do I win an enlightenment victory? Is it > enough to have 5 rings in play that don't have a > "doesn't count towards enlightenment" trait? > For instance, Tch'tch Warrens steals 5 Rings of Earth > over the course of a multiplayer game and plays them > all. Does the Rat win through Enlightenment? > > Finally, when is AEG going to print the cards for the > rings of Jell-O, Sarcasm and other elements? > > Pope Jubal > Jubal no Oni > Dark Oracle of Jell-O > --- > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover > > _______________________________________________ > L5r-ccg mailing list > L5r-ccg at alderac.com > http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com > _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From Sphynx at aol.com Mon May 3 17:52:53 2004 From: Sphynx at aol.com (Sphynx at aol.com) Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 17:52:53 -0400 Subject: [L5R-CCG] [Rules] Taut Chiehness Message-ID: <2B483536.0C93091F.000547D6@aol.com> So after posting the response to my local list about Agasha Chieh being able to Taut Bowstrings from home, one of my locals asked me this... Is Agasha Chieh considered to be moving into the battle and then back out when she casts her spell from home? If so, can you Taut Bowstrings or Slaughter the Scout her? I'd say no else you couldn't use Agasha Chieh with Ambush for a start. Also, with the timing on the new mantis personality that lets you take the reaction of producing a ranged attack if someone takes an action before you... can that target Chieh as she casts her spell from home (she's in the battle to cast the spell), or has Chieh already disappeared from the scene? Or not yet arrived? Thanks, Ookami Koan Coming to a rules mess near you! _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From lord.goonie at laposte.net Mon May 3 19:30:37 2004 From: lord.goonie at laposte.net (Guen) Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 0:30:37 +0100 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Rules for 29 April 2004 Message-ID: <40819EBE006B1B9B@lpdnpm02.laposte.net> (added by postmaster@laposte.net) >Rules for Thursday, April 29, 2004 >From: Greg Wong >Date: Thu Apr 29, 2004 11:32 am >Subject: [L5R-CCG] Rules Question (JEFF) > >>The bit that concerns me is the "playing that Action Card is considered to >>be bringing a Shadowlands card into play". By the timing wouldn't it be >>"you played a card & it gained Shadowlands after entering play"? Thus >>rather than "bringing a Shadowlands card into play" you "brought a card into >>play that became Shadowlands". The distinction is important for House of >>Tao players who might want to Egg a Shadowlands personality. > >I can't do much about the ruling in the Archive: "Any >single card or action that brings a card into play and >gives it the Shadowlands trait is considered to be >"bringing a Shadowlands card into play" regardless of >the exact relative timing of the two effects." >(Accumulated Rulings, "Entering Play" > >Egging a Shadowlands personality will count as >"bringing a Shadowlands card into play" and cause you >to flush all your Rings. What about the "no entering-play effects are produced" part of the egg ? Togashi Goonie, tattooed monk _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From cloak72 at yahoo.com Mon May 3 18:32:07 2004 From: cloak72 at yahoo.com (Robert Van Natter) Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 15:32:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [L5R-CCG] [Rules] Taut Chiehness In-Reply-To: <2B483536.0C93091F.000547D6@aol.com> Message-ID: <20040503223207.40793.qmail@web41803.mail.yahoo.com> Comments below --- Sphynx at aol.com wrote: > So after posting the response to my local list about > Agasha Chieh being able to Taut Bowstrings from > home, one of my locals asked me this... > > Is Agasha Chieh considered to be moving into the > battle and then back out when she casts her spell > from home? If so, can you Taut Bowstrings or > Slaughter the Scout her? I'd say no else you > couldn't use Agasha Chieh with Ambush for a start. [Robert] You're right. She is not moving at any point during her action. All her trait does is says if anything checks to see if she is 'in the battle' then the answer is yes. > > Also, with the timing on the new mantis personality > that lets you take the reaction of producing a > ranged attack if someone takes an action before > you... can that target Chieh as she casts her spell > from home (she's in the battle to cast the spell), > or has Chieh already disappeared from the scene? Or > not yet arrived? [Robert] Neither and both... Sort of :) By the time the Reaction for Arashia (... I think that's her name :) ) comes round, Chieh has finished her action and her trait switches her 'in the battle' indicator back to No.... If that makes any sense ;) > > Thanks, > Ookami Koan > Coming to a rules mess near you! > > > _______________________________________________ > L5r-ccg mailing list > L5r-ccg at alderac.com > http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com ===== Hiruma Ayslyn Crab Clan Professional Medler Scout Samurai Hero "We are all just Samurai brother, but when we stand together, we are the Crab" "Pain shared is pain divided; joy shared is joy multiplied" Everything I needed to know, I learned from drinking at Callahan's __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From cloak72 at yahoo.com Mon May 3 18:35:02 2004 From: cloak72 at yahoo.com (Robert Van Natter) Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 15:35:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [L5R-CCG] Rules for 29 April 2004 In-Reply-To: <40819EBE006B1B9B@lpdnpm02.laposte.net> (added by postmaster@laposte.net) Message-ID: <20040503223502.97369.qmail@web41802.mail.yahoo.com> The loss of the rings is not an entering play effect of the, now shadowlands, Egg, but an effect of the stronghold reacting to a shadowlands card being played. IIRC Entering play effects refer specifically to effects printed on the card entering play. --- Guen wrote: > >Rules for Thursday, April 29, 2004 > >From: Greg Wong > >Date: Thu Apr 29, 2004 11:32 am > >Subject: [L5R-CCG] Rules Question (JEFF) > > > >>The bit that concerns me is the "playing that > Action Card is considered to > >>be bringing a Shadowlands card into play". By the > timing wouldn't it be > >>"you played a card & it gained Shadowlands after > entering play"? Thus > >>rather than "bringing a Shadowlands card into > play" you "brought a card into > >>play that became Shadowlands". The distinction is > important for House of > >>Tao players who might want to Egg a Shadowlands > personality. > > > >I can't do much about the ruling in the Archive: > "Any > >single card or action that brings a card into play > and > >gives it the Shadowlands trait is considered to be > >"bringing a Shadowlands card into play" regardless > of > >the exact relative timing of the two effects." > >(Accumulated Rulings, "Entering Play" > > > >Egging a Shadowlands personality will count as > >"bringing a Shadowlands card into play" and cause > you > >to flush all your Rings. > > What about the "no entering-play effects are > produced" part of the egg ? > > Togashi Goonie, tattooed monk > > > > _______________________________________________ > L5r-ccg mailing list > L5r-ccg at alderac.com > http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com ===== Hiruma Ayslyn Crab Clan Professional Medler Scout Samurai Hero "We are all just Samurai brother, but when we stand together, we are the Crab" "Pain shared is pain divided; joy shared is joy multiplied" Everything I needed to know, I learned from drinking at Callahan's __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From raynalb at nycap.rr.com Mon May 3 20:21:58 2004 From: raynalb at nycap.rr.com (Ray Daugherty) Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 20:21:58 -0400 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Another Secluded Outpost question [RULES] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Minimums are "hard" minimums, so it doesn't matte what order > you do the reactions in, the follower will still cost one. I would have thought the opposite, so I'll be interested in seeing the ruling. The same question applies to Moto Sanpao, who can reduce the cost of a non-unique item by 3 to a minimum of 1. Can you buy a Senpet Scimitar for free after buying Sanpao using Secluded Outpost? I have an additional question. If you use two Outposts to buy a person, can you reduce the cost of an item or follower by 8? Regards, Ray Daugherty Iuchi Yogensha Unicorn Clan Prophet - Shugenja - Cavalry - Magistrate Unicorn Stables: http://home.nycap.rr.com/daugherty/l5r/l5rpage1.htm Trades at: http://home.nycap.rr.com/daugherty/l5r/l5rtradelist.htm _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From balduran2380 at yahoo.com Mon May 3 21:33:10 2004 From: balduran2380 at yahoo.com (Jay Sanchez) Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 18:33:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [L5R-CCG] [Rules] Relentless Assault & Akodo Ieshige Message-ID: <20040504013310.34191.qmail@web41908.mail.yahoo.com> This may have been already answered. Will Ieshige bow if I target him with relentless assult with my personality with Yu 3 or it will not affect him due to his trait to gain 1 force? --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From dairya3364 at yahoo.com Mon May 3 21:39:25 2004 From: dairya3364 at yahoo.com (mitch teague) Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 18:39:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [L5R-CCG] Rules for 30 April 2004-ichiro's Yumi In-Reply-To: <20040503173953.87336.qmail@web90001.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040504013925.42144.qmail@web90104.mail.scd.yahoo.com> But, just to be clear, you CAN react with Tsuruchi technique to the creation of the ranged attack, right? Mitch --- Martin Lund wrote: > Comments Below: > > --- Teiran wrote: > > > > But could you clarify something, because I'm > > somewhat confused. > > > > You are saying that the Yumi's ranged 0 attack > > cannot be combined with any other ranged attack, > even > > when you know that the Yumi's ranged attack will > > be legal before the force reduction effect? > > [MARTY] Actually, Jeff said it, not me. > > > >1) Can the Ichiro's Yumi ranged attack be > combined > > >with a ranged attack from another card in the > unit? > > > > No. It is conditional and not known at the time > the > > action must