From passengerpigeon at mac.com Mon Nov 1 05:26:38 2004 From: passengerpigeon at mac.com (William Burke) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 02:26:38 -0800 Subject: [L5R-CCG] [Rules] Questions (Mihoko; Tribute) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <83D1A94E-2BF0-11D9-8893-003065A79056@mac.com> On Sunday, October 31, 2004, at 07:28 PM, James Lyvers wrote: > As for 2, based on rulings for things like Boastful proclamation. You > win > at the start of your next turn. Though why you would deliberately > destroy > one of your own provinces making it easier to take you out of the game > is > quite beyond me. The last time I played against a Phoenix Honor Deck I lost to Tribute to Your House. Well, that's not quite accurate. I lost to THREE Tribute to Your Houses. I'm never letting that happen again, even if I need to blow up my own house to keep them from doing it. --p _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From jkkotz at yahoo.com Mon Nov 1 11:40:37 2004 From: jkkotz at yahoo.com (James Kotz) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 08:40:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [L5R-CCG] Questions (Mihoko; Tribute) In-Reply-To: <83D1A94E-2BF0-11D9-8893-003065A79056@mac.com> Message-ID: <20041101164037.7764.qmail@web21427.mail.yahoo.com> --- William Burke wrote: > >Though why you would deliberately destroy one of > >your own provinces making it easier to take you out > >of the game is quite beyond me. > > The last time I played against a Phoenix Honor Deck > I lost to Tribute to Your House. > > Well, that's not quite accurate. I lost to THREE > Tribute to Your Houses. > > I'm never letting that happen again, even if I need > to blow up my own > house to keep them from doing it. > > --p If you tribute yourself when you have the highest Family Honor, and your starting Honor is below another player's current honor, then you can't be Tributed until after your next turn (without an extra Tribute on thier part anyway, or at all, if thier starting Honor is higher than yours). Hence at the start of your turn, your Tribute has just worn off, you are at 40+ Honor, and win. Not the best of tactics, but it does technically work. I haven't played serious Honor in Diamond, so I might have missed something. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From shaw.ken at worldnet.att.net Mon Nov 1 13:11:34 2004 From: shaw.ken at worldnet.att.net (Ken Shaw) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 12:11:34 -0600 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Hatsue? Message-ID: <000801c4c03e$3989e420$b680fea9@your4di1s53ime> I just got some spanish cards and one of the promos I don't recognize and isn't in any of the online listings. The card is a personality named Hatsue 4/4 -/6/1. It has a diamond bug and a rather lengthy text box. Is this a real card? Will it be released in English if it hasn't already? Any details would be appreciated. Ken _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From GojuKaze at wanadoo.fr Mon Nov 1 13:16:06 2004 From: GojuKaze at wanadoo.fr (Goju Kaze) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 19:16:06 +0100 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Hatsue? References: <000801c4c03e$3989e420$b680fea9@your4di1s53ime> Message-ID: <002101c4c03e$db02ddc0$0a321d0a@marmotte> It's not yet released in English, hence is not tournament legal. Yes the card is real, as is Akasha XP, but as long as acard is not release d in English, it's not legal. For those interested in the current list of legal cards, I maintain a yahoogroups with everything in it up to date, including sources (ie where to have them) and legality set (ie when can you play this brand new promo) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Shaw" To: Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 7:11 PM Subject: [L5R-CCG] Hatsue? > I just got some spanish cards and one of the promos I don't recognize and > isn't in any of the online listings. The card is a personality named Hatsue > 4/4 -/6/1. It has a diamond bug and a rather lengthy text box. Is this a > real card? Will it be released in English if it hasn't already? Any details > would be appreciated. > > Ken > > > _______________________________________________ > L5r-ccg mailing list > L5r-ccg at alderac.com > http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From kaioto at yahoo.com Mon Nov 1 14:27:52 2004 From: kaioto at yahoo.com (Martin Lund) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 11:27:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [L5R-CCG] Rules for 26 October 2004 [RULES] Message-ID: <20041101192752.10669.qmail@web54102.mail.yahoo.com> Your Rules for Tuesday, October 26, 2004 * * * * * * * * * * From:? "S?bastien Michaux" Date:? Tue?Oct?26,?2004? 3:27 am Subject:? [L5R-CCG] [Rules]Reactions and Naval Invasion > Diamond Rulebook says : ""No player may take action (including Reactions) or > bring cards into play between the start of the Battle Action Segment and the > first Battle or Open action opportunity, except for Reactions to that > action." > > - I know that means no one can play a Sneak Attack during a Naval Invasion. > > - During a Naval Invasion, I can play No Hiding Place if my first action is > a RA, but my opponent can NOT play Fall on Your Knees on the NHP, right? Yes. Both Actions are taken before the first opportunity to take an Open or Battle Action, however only No Hiding Place is played in response to that first opportunity - thus only it is legal to play. > - During a Naval Invasion, if my first action is a use of the Imperial > Favor, can I pay the cost of discarding it by using the Reaction on > Political Adjunct? It's not reacting to the first Action, if I read it > correctly. Using Political Adjunct here is playing a Reaction to the Cost of the action. As such, it would fall under Naval Invasion's requirement of "Reactions to that action." * * * * * * * * * * From:? Kitsuki Ikeda Date:? Tue?Oct?26,?2004? 5:46 am Subject:? [L5R-CCG] [RULES] Shosuro Haru > Shosuro Haru has the following printed ability: > > Maho Reaction: After entering a duel or assigning or > moving into a battle, put a -1F/-1C Poison token to > an opposing Personality. > > 1. Considering that I control Haru, does this ability > only apply whenever Haru himself enters a duel or > assigns/moves into a battle, or does it apply for any > personality I control who does those things? The ability keys off of Haru. It must be after Haru enters a duel or assigns, and must target a Personality opposing Haru. > 2. Suppose that I control a Shosuro Haru, and a > Shukumei with an Eye of Iuchiban attached. Both are in > my home. > > In a battle at a province, I use Tireless Assault to > move Shukumei into the battle. Considering Eye of > Iuchiban, does Haru's ability apply and allow me to > give an opposing personality a -1F/-1C token? No. Haru didn't move into the Battle, even though he could be considered to be present for use of his ability. Hence, his trigger is unmet. > 3. Shukumei with the Eye of Iuchiban is at Battle A, > and I'm resolving Battle B. I use Tireless Assault to > move Shosuro Haru into the battle, which allows me to > use his printed Reaction. Considering Eye of Iuchiban, > can I give an opposing personality in Shukumei's > battle the -1F/-1C token? No. Haru's ability uses the word "opposing" and the Rulebook says that Actions that refer to "opposing" cards can only be used if the card with the Action is in the current battle. If you try to play Haru's ability in Battle A via Eye of Iuchiban when the current Battle is Battle B, you'll run afoul of this rule. Haru can't be considered to be in both places at once. Now, if you were resolving Battle A with Shukume + Eye and Haru, and you used Right Hand of the Emperor to move Haru to Battle B, Haru could use his Reaction to moving as if he were back in Battle A via Eye of Iuchiban. > I suspect that the third question is subject to the > Moto Latomu precedent (i.e. the ruling where Latomu > moves from the current battle to a different battle in > an attempt to make a ranged attack), but I would just > like to confirm if this is a similar instance. It is pretty much the same kettle of fish, with the added spice of being able to count as being someplace else while taking an Action. * * * * * * * * * * That should cover everything from Tuesday not related to Dawn of the Empire. If I missed your question, please repost it with the flag [RULES] as part of your Clear and Distinct subject line. I'll get back to you at the first opportunity. Thank you, - Marty Lund Deputy Rules Monkey __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From jrepine1 at email.msn.com Mon Nov 1 14:51:52 2004 From: jrepine1 at email.msn.com (Jimmy Repine) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 14:51:52 -0500 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Dawn Design Questions References: <20041101192752.10669.qmail@web54102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Why can't Mirumoto attach 2 weapons? If the effects for Duelest aren't going to be public and in use (evidently) until Lotus, why doesn't Kakita or Mirumoto have the Double Chi trait or why isn't Duelest considered Double Chi until the Lotus rules are in effect? Jimmy Repine Hitomi Yamesh Dragon Clan Tattooed Jedi Master "It will be a hard life, one without reward, without remorse, without regret, a path will be placed before you. The choice is yours alone, do what you think you cannot do. It will be a hard life, but you will find out who you are." _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From kaioto at yahoo.com Mon Nov 1 14:59:17 2004 From: kaioto at yahoo.com (Martin Lund) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 11:59:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [L5R-CCG] Rules for 27 October 2004 [RULES] Message-ID: <20041101195917.66171.qmail@web54104.mail.yahoo.com> Your Rules for Wednesday, October 27, 2004 * * * * * * * * * * From:? Martin Lund Date:? Wed?Oct?27,?2004? 4:31 pm Subject:? [REVERSAL] Re: [L5R-CCG] Rules for 24 and 25 October 2004 [RULES] Comments Below: --- Robert Sanderson wrote: > > > > It is more likely a trigger. (no cost here : cost > are followed by 'to') > > The acting player is the one discarding Sharaku. > > Therefore the owner of Sharaku cannot be considered > to be 'discarding' him, even though Sharaku is being 'discarded'. > > Therefore you can't use Sharaku because you haven't > fulfiled his trigger, someone else has. [MARTY] OK, I see what you mean here. I was looking at the question purely in terms of "can I do this even if Sharaku is face-down in the Province" and not "can I do this if another player's effect Discards Sharaku." If you don't do the Discarding of Sharaku, you can't use Sharaku's ability because you don't meet the trigger: "If you are a Scorpion Clan player ... after discarding Sharaku ... from one of your Provinces." You'd need Sharaku to say, "If you are a Scorpion Clan player ... after Sharaku - is discarded - ... from one of your Provinces." OR (And this is the part the threw me off) You need to use Bayushi Aramoro (whom Bayushi Toson is the Soul of), as his ability forces the player whose province it was to Discard the card, rather than Aramoro discarding it himself. - Marty Lund Deputy Rules Monkey * * * * * * * * * * That should cover everything from Wednesday not related to Dawn of the Empire. If I missed your question, please repost it with the flag [RULES] as part of your Clear and Distinct subject line. I'll get back to you at the first opportunity. Thank you, - Marty Lund Deputy Rules Monkey __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From GojuKaze at wanadoo.fr Mon Nov 1 15:13:59 2004 From: GojuKaze at wanadoo.fr (Goju Kaze) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:13:59 +0100 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Dawn Design Questions References: <20041101192752.10669.qmail@web54102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001001c4c04f$52d90440$0a321d0a@marmotte> Hum... Let me guess... Because? As for the 2 weapons, I don't know, maybe it's redudnat with Shiro Mirumoto? For game balance reasons? For the Duelist = Double Chi other personalities possess the Duelist Trait, so it's a no no, and giving them Double Chi without printing it on them will be more a problem than a solution. Printing it on them will make the trait on Lotus bugged peeps, and so far, it seems that design want to remove it from lotus bugged peeps, so it's a no-no too. Just some though Goju Kaze ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy Repine" To: Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 8:51 PM Subject: [L5R-CCG] Dawn Design Questions > Why can't Mirumoto attach 2 weapons? > > If the effects for Duelest aren't going to be public and in use (evidently) > until Lotus, why doesn't Kakita or Mirumoto have the Double Chi trait or why > isn't Duelest considered Double Chi until the Lotus rules are in effect? > > Jimmy Repine > Hitomi Yamesh > Dragon Clan Tattooed Jedi Master > "It will be a hard life, one without reward, without remorse, without > regret, a path will be placed before you. The choice is yours alone, do what > you think you cannot do. It will be a hard life, but you will find out who > you are." > > _______________________________________________ > L5r-ccg mailing list > L5r-ccg at alderac.com > http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From saberinc at prodigy.net Mon Nov 1 16:15:41 2004 From: saberinc at prodigy.net (Eric Devlin) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 16:15:41 -0500 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Kotei Update References: <20041101192752.10669.qmail@web54102.mail.yahoo.com> <001001c4c04f$52d90440$0a321d0a@marmotte> Message-ID: <048701c4c058$13982690$a8ede704@s> Hi, A number of people had questions at the charity tournament concerning the Kotei Kruise. Here are a few answers: 1) The deadline has been pushed back to Nov. 11 to make your deposit. We have had a great response and the agency is really happy with us, so they should be easy to work with. If you have any problems (and no one has) let me know. 2) I have arranged to have the room for the first and second evening. We should be able to complete all or most of the kotei in that time. This allows people all the time they need to participate in excursions. For those people that are not interested in excursions we will have side events each day. 3) Keep in mind that there will be a Kotei in Orlando the day after we return. If you schedule your flight for Sunday you can hit two Koteis in a week. (this is still projected) Here is the information for the travel agent. Please let me know if you have any questions. Travel Agency Information: Company: LIBERTY TRAVEL Agent: Stinton, Jennifer (Travel Consultant) E-mail: StintonJ at libertytravel.com Address: 1675A Sunrise Highway, Bay Shore, NY, 11706 Telephone: 631-968-8100 Fax: 631-968-5457 You can pay via personal check or credit card. Contact Jennifer for full details. Prices: Double Cabin, interior $408.35 (per person) Quad Cabin, interior $368.35 (per person) Double Cabin, ocean-view $438.35 (per person) Quad Cabin, ocean-view $373.35 (per person) THE DOUBLE CABINS REQUIRE A DEPOSIT OF $25.00 PER PERSON BY Nov. 11, 2004 THE QUAD CABINS NEED A DEPOSIT OF $200.00 PER PERSON BY Nov. 11, 2004 _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From kaioto at yahoo.com Mon Nov 1 17:17:50 2004 From: kaioto at yahoo.com (Martin Lund) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 14:17:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [L5R-CCG] Rules for 28 October 2004 [RULES] Message-ID: <20041101221750.97501.qmail@web54108.mail.yahoo.com> Your Rules for Thursday, October 28, 2004 * * * * * * * * * * From:? "Togashi Imura" Date:? Thu?Oct?28,?2004? 8:16 am Subject:? [L5R-CCG] [RULES]Fun with copying (bis) > I have a P'an Ku overlayed with Many Temple Masters. (PK for short) And > nothing else. This is - so - Jeff's problem. ;-) Seriously though, Dawn questions are still in Jeff's court for now. * * * * * * * * * * From:? chris hand Date:? Thu?Oct?28,?2004? 10:34 am Subject:? [L5R-CCG] Chuda Mishime and Chi Penalties > Does Chuda Mishime's first ability (Maho Open: Once per turn, reduce a > Personality's Chi to his printed Chi) take into account Chi Penalties? For > example... It all has to do with the card's Current Chi. Penalties that take effect before you play Mishime's ability are already factored into the Current Chi of the victim when you apply Mishime. So if you have 3 Printed Chi, a 2 Chi Bonus, and a 1 Chi Penalty, your Current Chi is 4 and Mishime would give you -1 Chi, reducing you to 3 - your Printed Chi value. * * * * * * * * * * From:? "ninjadebugger" Date:? Thu?Oct?28,?2004? 10:46 am Subject:? [L5R-CCG] Copying Printed Stats > So, say there's a card with something like... "Open: Once per turn, copy the > printed Force of any personality in play." When that copy happens, does it > copy Printed Chi over Printed Chi, or does it copy Printed Chi over Current > Chi? It would change the copying card's Printed Chi. * * * * * * * * * * From:? Kitsuki Ikeda Date:? Thu?Oct?28,?2004? 9:29 pm Subject:? [L5R-CCG] [RULES] Targeting units > If a player targets a unit, does that player > effectively target all cards in that unit? No. It only counts as targeting the Unit and the Personality. "An effect that targets a unit also targets the Personality leading it, and vice-versa." (Diamond Edition Rulebook, page 73) > Suppose that I have Yoritomo Manobu in play with an > Armor of Sacrifice and a Steadfast Bushi attached, and > that the unit is attacking in the current battle. My > opponent plays Block Supply Lines on Manobu's unit. > Does he have to discard a card for Armor of Sacrifice? Nope. It doesn't target the Follower. * * * * * * * * * * That should cover everything from Thursday not related to Dawn of the Empire. If I missed your question, please repost it with the flag [RULES] as part of your Clear and Distinct subject line. I'll get back to you at the first opportunity. Thank you, - Marty Lund Deputy Rules Monkey __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From jsarment at chipidea.com Tue Nov 2 10:30:56 2004 From: jsarment at chipidea.com (Jose Angelo Sarmento) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 15:30:56 +0000 Subject: [L5R-CCG] [Rules] Aramasu's Pride + Variable Holdings In-Reply-To: <20041030080959.4197.qmail@station171.com> References: <20041030080959.4197.qmail@station171.com> Message-ID: <4187A830.3090100@chipidea.com> What the heck is "Aramasu's Pride"? I couldn't find it on the Net... Arthur Halavais wrote: >What exaclty does the phrase "Raise their Gold Production by 4" refer to on Aramasu's pride. Is it any action or bow ability that produces gold, or is it only to the number printed in the top right. (e.g. Would a Kobune Port make 6 or 7). What if a holding has no innate way to produce gold, but can otherwise be involved in an action that priduces gold? Is that gold production increased by 4? > >And (just to get a speedy answer), I suppose that any other card that raises gold production could be substituted for Aramasu's Pride, and the issue would still be valid. Say, Golden Sun Plain. > >Yogo Aroso * Scorpion Clan Shugenja * Really Unique >_______________________________________________ >L5r-ccg mailing list >L5r-ccg at alderac.com >http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com > > > _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From GojuKaze at wanadoo.fr Tue Nov 2 10:43:03 2004 From: GojuKaze at wanadoo.fr (Goju Kaze) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 16:43:03 +0100 Subject: [L5R-CCG] [Rules] Aramasu's Pride + Variable Holdings References: <20041030080959.4197.qmail@station171.com> <4187A830.3090100@chipidea.com> Message-ID: <000a01c4c0f2$a4359490$0a321d0a@marmotte> Aramasu's Pride is the next Mantis Stronghold. You can find it on various websites/forum, along with Mantis Raid related cards. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jose Angelo Sarmento" To: "Arthur Halavais" ; Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [L5R-CCG] [Rules] Aramasu's Pride + Variable Holdings > What the heck is "Aramasu's Pride"? I couldn't find it on the Net... > > Arthur Halavais wrote: > > >What exaclty does the phrase "Raise their Gold Production by 4" refer to on Aramasu's pride. Is it any action or bow ability that produces gold, or is it only to the number printed in the top right. (e.g. Would a Kobune Port make 6 or 7). What if a holding has no innate way to produce gold, but can otherwise be involved in an action that priduces gold? Is that gold production increased by 4? > > > >And (just to get a speedy answer), I suppose that any other card that raises gold production could be substituted for Aramasu's Pride, and the issue would still be valid. Say, Golden Sun Plain. > > > >Yogo Aroso * Scorpion Clan Shugenja * Really Unique > >_______________________________________________ > >L5r-ccg mailing list > >L5r-ccg at alderac.com > >http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > L5r-ccg mailing list > L5r-ccg at alderac.com > http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From yoritomoshomey at yahoo.com Tue Nov 2 10:46:12 2004 From: yoritomoshomey at yahoo.com (David Langford) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 07:46:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [L5R-CCG] [Rules] Aramasu's Pride + Variable Holdings In-Reply-To: <4187A830.3090100@chipidea.com> Message-ID: <20041102154612.3681.qmail@web53905.mail.yahoo.com> http://www.tsuruchi.com/ New Mantis Stronghold for Web of Lies Dave --- Jose Angelo Sarmento wrote: > What the heck is "Aramasu's Pride"? I couldn't find > it on the Net... > > Arthur Halavais wrote: > > >What exaclty does the phrase "Raise their Gold > Production by 4" refer to on Aramasu's pride. Is it > any action or bow ability that produces gold, or is > it only to the number printed in the top right. > (e.g. Would a Kobune Port make 6 or 7). What if a > holding has no innate way to produce gold, but can > otherwise be involved in an action that priduces > gold? Is that gold production increased by 4? > > > >And (just to get a speedy answer), I suppose that > any other card that raises gold production could be > substituted for Aramasu's Pride, and the issue would > still be valid. Say, Golden Sun Plain. > > > >Yogo Aroso * Scorpion Clan Shugenja * Really Unique > >_______________________________________________ > >L5r-ccg mailing list > >L5r-ccg at alderac.com > >http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > L5r-ccg mailing list > L5r-ccg at alderac.com > http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From jkkotz at yahoo.com Tue Nov 2 10:50:12 2004 From: jkkotz at yahoo.com (James Kotz) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 07:50:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [L5R-CCG] [Design] Web of Lies Message-ID: <20041102155012.68809.qmail@web21427.mail.yahoo.com> Yeah I'm being impatient, but at least they aren't rules questions... 1) Bayushi Paneki, Scorpion Clan Champion??? Did I miss the Sunetra retirement (voluntary or otherwise) fiction? Really cool card though. 2) Fields of Phyrric Victory. Are the Greeks or Romans invading Rokugan? 3) It appears that we are getting Scorpion and Dragon Senseis this set (and someone I can't ID off the top of my head). Which I assume (with no real info to back it up, I admit) that the senseis aren't fixed, and we'll have a pile of untradable rares again, and our duplicate Senseis will start massing to re-paper my walls. If I'm right, can this be fixed ASAP? If I'm wrong... Thank you very much for listening to your customers with lightning speed and efficiency. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From diekatzen at earthlink.net Tue Nov 2 10:56:57 2004 From: diekatzen at earthlink.net (Geoff Spady) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 07:56:57 -0800 Subject: [L5R-CCG] re: What is Aramasu's Pride? In-Reply-To: <200411020742.1cp0NM6R23NZFpE0@mx-a065a23.pas.sa.earthlink.net> References: <200411020742.1cp0NM6R23NZFpE0@mx-a065a23.pas.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4187AE49.6030009@earthlink.net> It's the new Mantis stronghold for Web of Lies. You can find it here: http://www.kuroiban.net/news.asp?newsID=125 - Geoff ========================================================================================== What the heck is "Aramasu's Pride"? I couldn't find it on the Net... _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From madscotsman13 at hotmail.com Tue Nov 2 10:59:54 2004 From: madscotsman13 at hotmail.com (John Haynie) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 09:59:54 -0600 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Paneki Champion WTF??!?!?!?!?! Message-ID: Does anyone know what happened here? John Haynie Bounty Hunter 387 Akodo Matori Lion Clan Advisor "Honour is not a birthright" St.John Smith Smyth Smith Avalonian Milksop "Good Show...ripping good fight...whats that on my shirt...blood? *gasp* Faint*" Important Quotes "Real Friends Stab you in the front" Oscar Wilde "I'm not going hit ya, I'm not going to hit ya...the hell I'm not (POW)!" John Wayne _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee? Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From ajb818s at hotmail.com Tue Nov 2 12:07:06 2004 From: ajb818s at hotmail.com (Andrew Bloomgren) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 11:07:06 -0600 Subject: [L5R-CCG] RE: L5r-ccg Digest, Vol 17, Issue 2 Message-ID: >Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 11:27:52 -0800 (PST) >From: Martin Lund >Subject: [L5R-CCG] Rules for 26 October 2004 [RULES] >To: L5r-ccg at alderac.com >Message-ID: <20041101192752.10669.qmail at web54102.mail.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >Your Rules for Tuesday, October 26, 2004 > > 3. Shukumei with the Eye of Iuchiban is at Battle A, > > and I'm resolving Battle B. I use Tireless Assault >to > > move Shosuro Haru into the battle, which allows me >to > > use his printed Reaction. Considering Eye of >Iuchiban, > > can I give an opposing personality in Shukumei's > > battle the -1F/-1C token? > >No. Haru's ability uses the word "opposing" and the >Rulebook says that Actions that refer to "opposing" >cards can only be used if the card with the Action is >in the current battle. If you try to play Haru's >ability in Battle A via Eye of Iuchiban when the >current Battle is Battle B, you'll run afoul of this >rule. > >Haru can't be considered to be in both places at once. so this is an ability only Agasha Chieh has mastered then? what's the difference between her trait and the Eye of Iuchiban's as far as this case is concerned? _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar ? get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From jkkotz at yahoo.com Tue Nov 2 12:13:22 2004 From: jkkotz at yahoo.com (James Kotz) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 09:13:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [L5R-CCG] Yokuni & Loyal Message-ID: <20041102171323.89069.qmail@web21429.mail.yahoo.com> Togashi Yokuni XP2 reads: If you are bringing one of the Seven Thunders into play, clan restrictions are waived. Is that enough to bypass the Loyal Trait on the DotE Thunders? Are "clan restrictions" and "Loyal" equivalent? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From jimandandrealetters at hotmail.com Tue Nov 2 12:26:50 2004 From: jimandandrealetters at hotmail.com (James and Andrea Collier) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 17:26:50 +0000 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Paneki Champion WTF??!?!?!?!?! Message-ID: >From: "John Haynie" >Reply-To: L5r-ccg at alderac.com >To: L5r-ccg at alderac.com >Subject: [L5R-CCG] Paneki Champion WTF??!?!?!?!?! >Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 09:59:54 -0600 > >Does anyone know what happened here? Yes. Scorpion just got a personality which will come into play around turn six, just in time for the last attack. So, Scorpion players won't be able to stop the attack, but at least they'll know what's coming. "Hmmm . . . three 10K Swords . . . and a Sneak." Wannabe no Shiryo _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From diablo_5 at hotmail.com Tue Nov 2 13:26:01 2004 From: diablo_5 at hotmail.com (Andrew Laderoute) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 13:26:01 -0500 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Yokuni & Loyal Message-ID: Yes. Basically, all they did was they took "Will only join a X Clan player." and boiled it down into "Loyal". The two are interchangeable. So, Yokuni EXP2 should be able to waive both ToV Thunders and DOTE Thunders Clan Restrictions. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Hida Ryushi 6F/6C 0HR/12G/2PH Crab Clan Hero*Iron Legion Samurai*Tactician*Yu 5*Experienced*Unique Tactical Battle: Ryushi gains a Force bonus equal to his Yu value. Reaction: After any Attack Phase, you may take one Action card that checked Ryushi's Yu value from your Discard pile into your hand. "After a thousand battles, one only sees death." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From isawaletomo at juno.com Tue Nov 2 13:11:45 2004 From: isawaletomo at juno.com (Lee T Boswell) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 11:11:45 -0700 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Re: Paneki Champion WTF??!?!?!?!?! Message-ID: <20041102.111732.-322085.8.isawaletomo@juno.com> >> >>Does anyone know what happened here? > >Yes. >Scorpion just got a personality which will come into play around turn six, >just in time for the last attack. >So, Scorpion players won't be able to stop the attack, but at least they'll >know what's coming. > >"Hmmm . . . three 10K Swords . . . and a Sneak." > >Wannabe no Shiryo Actually, it is very possible to get him out turn 3. Granted, that would be all you would buy, but would you need a whole lot more at that point? First turn, G&F. Second turn, 2 three gold producers, or a Hiruma and another 2 gold producer. 4+2+3+3=12 --- Panecki for cheap. And if you are second AFR means you could get another holding as well! Plus, why are Scorpion complaining? You got a very powerful Champion to replace Sunetra, one who can and might be used. Isawa Letomo Phoenix clan Librarian-Shugenja Lee Boswell BH#1474 ________________________________________________________________ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/ month - visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From isawaletomo at juno.com Tue Nov 2 13:17:05 2004 From: isawaletomo at juno.com (Lee T Boswell) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 11:17:05 -0700 Subject: [L5R-CCG] [Design] Web of Lies Message-ID: <20041102.111733.-322085.9.isawaletomo@juno.com> >2) Fields of Phyrric Victory. Are the Greeks or >Romans invading Rokugan? > Well, there are the Yodotai, an expanding empire introduced in Legend of the Burning Sands. They are based on Roman myths, and one of the cards actually said Phyrrus [or something like that] on it. But I think this refers to an old story of the Romans. The Romans won the battle, but lost almost their whole army doing it. Thus, a Phyrric Victory is one where you won, but, was it really worth the cost you paid? >3) It appears that we are getting Scorpion and Dragon >Senseis this set (and someone I can't ID off the top >of my head). > If I remember correctly, Umasu was a Crab, one of the Kaiu Engineers. Doesn't mean they won't just steal the name though. Who had heard of Mihoko before the Crane Sensei came out, after all? Isawa Letomo Phoenix clan Librarian-Shugenja Lee Boswell BH#1474 ________________________________________________________________ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/ month - visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From ajb818s at hotmail.com Tue Nov 2 13:30:59 2004 From: ajb818s at hotmail.com (Andrew Bloomgren) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 12:30:59 -0600 Subject: [L5R-CCG] rules: opposition Message-ID: is a personality at home considered to be unopposed? _________________________________________________________________ Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From Whitecat31 at aol.com Tue Nov 2 13:54:45 2004 From: Whitecat31 at aol.com (Whitecat31 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 13:54:45 EST Subject: [L5R-CCG] Get out and vote. Message-ID: <1d5.2e6a6a2a.2eb931f5@aol.com> Just want to tell everybody in the United States, to get out and vote. I am voting for the candidate that is less Crabby and looks like a Crane. David Starr Whitecat31 GAB Vice-Admiral in the Golden Koku Team _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From scoutie at home.nl Tue Nov 2 14:04:21 2004 From: scoutie at home.nl (Gino Wout) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 20:04:21 +0100 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Get out and vote. References: <1d5.2e6a6a2a.2eb931f5@aol.com> Message-ID: <002401c4c10e$c32c2690$6501a8c0@Gino> Less crabby?? Hida smash tactics?? more like a crane diplomatic, not saying yes imediatly without thinking hmm, is it Kerry??, i thought we were doing guess who I choose.Not an American citizen, I'm just mad at the peeps who killed Theo today :( he was a good man, maybe a bit strange, but a good man. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 7:54 PM Subject: [L5R-CCG] Get out and vote. > > Just want to tell everybody in the United States, to get out and vote. > > I am voting for the candidate that is less Crabby and looks like a Crane. > > David Starr > Whitecat31 GAB Vice-Admiral in the Golden Koku Team > _______________________________________________ > L5r-ccg mailing list > L5r-ccg at alderac.com > http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From kmack at alderac.com Tue Nov 2 13:08:37 2004 From: kmack at alderac.com (Kristy Mack) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 10:08:37 -0800 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Alternate Art Voitagi and In Time of War Message-ID: To dispel some rumors about these cards... They were both introduced at the Feeding Hills Charity Event. They WILL both be in high circulation to conventions, storyline events, and other special events in the future. These cards are not exclusive. If you have any questions, feel free to email me. -- Kristy Mack AEG Fan Club & Events Coordinator kmack at alderac.com "Look at these pictures...it's like Cosmo and GQ had love children" -----Spycraft CCG : Extinction Agenda----- _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From mklein at printtime.com Tue Nov 2 14:11:05 2004 From: mklein at printtime.com (Mark Klein) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 13:11:05 -0600 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Get out and vote. In-Reply-To: <1d5.2e6a6a2a.2eb931f5@aol.com> References: <1d5.2e6a6a2a.2eb931f5@aol.com> Message-ID: Come on this desn't belong here!!!! give me a break......like we don't get it from enough places!!!!! OH by the way, I voted for the one thats not a pussy..... -- Mark Klein Graphic Designer Print Time E.P.P. _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From togashi at o2.ie Tue Nov 2 14:20:15 2004 From: togashi at o2.ie (Tim Caisley) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 19:20:15 +0000 GMT Subject: [L5R-CCG] [Design] Web of Lies Message-ID: <2145118736-1099423294-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-28292-@engine10.bwc.produk.on.blackberry> In regarding the 'who ever heard of mihoko', after a crap day at work, all I can say is.... Read more fiction & clan backgrounds -----Original Message----- From: Lee T Boswell Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 11:17:05 To:L5r-ccg at alderac.com Subject: Re: [L5R-CCG] [Design] Web of Lies >2) Fields of Phyrric Victory. Are the Greeks or >Romans invading Rokugan? > Well, there are the Yodotai, an expanding empire introduced in Legend of the Burning Sands. They are based on Roman myths, and one of the cards actually said Phyrrus [or something like that] on it. But I think this refers to an old story of the Romans. The Romans won the battle, but lost almost their whole army doing it. Thus, a Phyrric Victory is one where you won, but, was it really worth the cost you paid? >3) It appears that we are getting Scorpion and Dragon >Senseis this set (and someone I can't ID off the top >of my head). > If I remember correctly, Umasu was a Crab, one of the Kaiu Engineers. Doesn't mean they won't just steal the name though. Who had heard of Mihoko before the Crane Sensei came out, after all? Isawa Letomo Phoenix clan Librarian-Shugenja Lee Boswell BH#1474 ________________________________________________________________ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/ month - visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From kaioto at yahoo.com Tue Nov 2 14:20:30 2004 From: kaioto at yahoo.com (Martin Lund) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 11:20:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: End this OT thread NOW (Re: [L5R-CCG] Get out and vote.) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20041102192030.91040.qmail@web54106.mail.yahoo.com> Drop this thread. NOW. It is complete violation of the list rules. No apologies. No rebuttle. No excuses. Consider it an Official Ruling, if you must. - Marty Lund Deputy Rules Monkey __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From jalexander at alderac.com Tue Nov 2 14:08:45 2004 From: jalexander at alderac.com (Jeff Alexander) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 11:08:45 -0800 Subject: [L5R-CCG] [Design] Web of Lies In-Reply-To: <20041102155012.68809.qmail@web21427.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041102155012.68809.qmail@web21427.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: >3) It appears that we are getting Scorpion and Dragon >Senseis this set (and someone I can't ID off the top >of my head). Which I assume (with no real info to >back it up, I admit) that the senseis aren't fixed, >and we'll have a pile of untradable rares again, and >our duplicate Senseis will start massing to re-paper >my walls. If I'm right, can this be fixed ASAP? If >I'm wrong... Thank you very much for listening to >your customers with lightning speed and efficiency. Although it is still on the discussion table internally, there has been no change yet to our policy of generally making one-per-deck cards Rare when we have the flexibility to make them either Rare or Uncommon. These three "Unique" cards are Rare. Other than the Sensei, the Fate side of Web is dominated by Rares that are neither Unique nor playable by exactly one Faction, which is a direct result of player feedback concerning the rarity scheme of Wrath of the Emperor. -- Jeff Alexander Lead Designer, L5R CCG Alderac Entertainment Group _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From jalexander at alderac.com Tue Nov 2 14:34:57 2004 From: jalexander at alderac.com (Jeff Alexander) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 11:34:57 -0800 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Dawn Design Questions In-Reply-To: References: <20041101192752.10669.qmail@web54102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > >Why can't Mirumoto attach 2 weapons? Because it wouldn't fit on the card and it's less important than his other text. Attaching two weapons has always been more of a neat story-related mechanic than a foundation of a game-winning deck. > >If the effects for Duelest aren't going to be public and in use (evidently) >>until Lotus, why doesn't Kakita or Mirumoto have the Double Chi trait or why > >isn't Duelest considered Double Chi until the Lotus rules are in effect? They don't have Double Chi because we don't want the Double Chi trait in the Lotus environment. Printing them with Double Chi would mean either reprinting them in Lotus Edition without it or changing how Double Chi works then, which impacting the Open environment. We didn't want to do either. We're not saying "Duelist works like Double Chi until Lotus" because they're not interchangeable in strength. Duelist Personalities are going to be more prevalent and less expensive than Double Chi people are. Giving them DC would make them a little too strong. -- Jeff Alexander Lead Designer, L5R CCG Alderac Entertainment Group _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From jalexander at alderac.com Tue Nov 2 14:37:08 2004 From: jalexander at alderac.com (Jeff Alexander) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 11:37:08 -0800 Subject: [L5R-CCG] rules: opposition In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >is a personality at home considered to be unopposed? "Unopposed" means "not opposed". Yes. -- Jeff Alexander Lead Designer, L5R CCG Alderac Entertainment Group _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From tanon.denis at numericable.fr Tue Nov 2 14:56:43 2004 From: tanon.denis at numericable.fr (TANON DENIS) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 20:56:43 +0100 Subject: [L5R-CCG] rules: opposition References: Message-ID: <004101c4c116$167627e0$80fbd852@bart> And what exactly dais opposed means ? The word is not used in the rulebook. I understand it as being present at a battlefield with at least a unit in opponents' army. Yoritomo Kalim?ro ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Alexander" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 8:37 PM Subject: Re: [L5R-CCG] rules: opposition > >is a personality at home considered to be unopposed? > > "Unopposed" means "not opposed". > > Yes. > -- > Jeff Alexander > Lead Designer, L5R CCG > Alderac Entertainment Group > > _______________________________________________ > L5r-ccg mailing list > L5r-ccg at alderac.com > http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com > > -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From duchon.philippe at free.fr Tue Nov 2 15:14:41 2004 From: duchon.philippe at free.fr (Philippe Duchon) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 21:14:41 +0100 Subject: [L5R-CCG] [Design] Web of Lies In-Reply-To: <20041102155012.68809.qmail@web21427.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041102155012.68809.qmail@web21427.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20041102211441.5a5355e1.duchon.philippe@free.fr> On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 07:50:12 -0800 (PST) James Kotz wrote: > 2) Fields of Phyrric Victory. Are the Greeks or > Romans invading Rokugan? That should be Pyrrhic, right? (but I had the same question, really) > > 3) It appears that we are getting Scorpion and Dragon > Senseis this set (and someone I can't ID off the top > of my head). Which I assume (with no real info to > back it up, I admit) that the senseis aren't fixed, > and we'll have a pile of untradable rares again, and > our duplicate Senseis will start massing to re-paper > my walls. If I'm right, can this be fixed ASAP? If > I'm wrong... Thank you very much for listening to > your customers with lightning speed and efficiency. Obviously, it's too late to fix anything. But I seem to remember Jeff said there would not be one Sensei per Clan each set, so that will just be a few mostly untradable rares (though, if Gozoku Sensei had been a rare, we'd of course have heard a lot of complaints about how unfair it is to have such a good card be hard to get). -- Philippe Duchon -- duchon.philippe at free.fr Scorpion Clan Crypto-Geek _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From whowhoamamii at hotmail.com Tue Nov 2 15:20:32 2004 From: whowhoamamii at hotmail.com (dustin howard) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 20:20:32 +0000 Subject: [L5R-CCG] [Design] Web of Lies Message-ID: > >2) Fields of Phyrric Victory. Are the Greeks or >Romans invading Rokugan? > I've seen other comments about this. I wonder whether people think the use of this word is inappropriate due to its etymological origins. If they have to worry about such things, we might have to get rid of words like 'assassin' 'kidnapper' and 'berserker.' My worry is whether its spelled 'phyrric' as the preview page shows or 'pyrrhic' like it appears in the dictionary. Ide Okama _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From togashi.shin at free.fr Tue Nov 2 15:54:08 2004 From: togashi.shin at free.fr (Togashi Imura) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 21:54:08 +0100 Subject: [L5R-CCG] [Design] Web of Lies References: Message-ID: <009a01c4c11e$1933a090$468ae78a@imuradono> If you trust google, you'll see that one of the beatles was called : John Lenon. By the way, with 40,000 to 2,000 pyrrhic wins the Google contest Togashi Imura ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rusty Priske" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [L5R-CCG] [Design] Web of Lies > > > > > That should be Pyrrhic, right? > > > I thought so as well but a quick Google search tells me that both > spellings are used. > > Rusty Priske > > _______________________________________________ > L5r-ccg mailing list > L5r-ccg at alderac.com > http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com > > _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From bh350 at aegbountyhunter.com Tue Nov 2 15:49:39 2004 From: bh350 at aegbountyhunter.com (Rusty Priske) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 15:49:39 -0500 Subject: [L5R-CCG] [Design] Web of Lies Message-ID: > > That should be Pyrrhic, right? I thought so as well but a quick Google search tells me that both spellings are used. Rusty Priske _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From jalexander at alderac.com Tue Nov 2 15:59:37 2004 From: jalexander at alderac.com (Jeff Alexander) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 12:59:37 -0800 Subject: [L5R-CCG] rules: opposition In-Reply-To: <004101c4c116$167627e0$80fbd852@bart> References: <004101c4c116$167627e0$80fbd852@bart> Message-ID: > >And what exactly dais opposed means ? In an army with at least one unit in the other army at that location, regardless of whether that battle is currently being fought. -- Jeff Alexander Lead Designer, L5R CCG Alderac Entertainment Group _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From duchon.philippe at free.fr Tue Nov 2 15:57:48 2004 From: duchon.philippe at free.fr (Philippe Duchon) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 21:57:48 +0100 Subject: [L5R-CCG] [Design] Web of Lies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041102215748.114bfc2e.duchon.philippe@free.fr> On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 15:49:39 -0500 "Rusty Priske" wrote: > > > > > That should be Pyrrhic, right? > > > I thought so as well but a quick Google search tells me that both > spellings are used. Hey, considering it's supposed to be written "a la Pyrrhus" in my native language, I'd say I didn't do so bad :) -- Philippe Duchon -- duchon.philippe at free.fr Scorpion Clan Crypto-Geek _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From bh350 at aegbountyhunter.com Tue Nov 2 16:05:48 2004 From: bh350 at aegbountyhunter.com (Rusty Priske) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 16:05:48 -0500 Subject: [L5R-CCG] [Design] Web of Lies Message-ID: Good response... that is that way I want it to be spelled as well. Rusty Priske > If you trust google, you'll see that one of the beatles was called : John > Lenon. > > By the way, with 40,000 to 2,000 pyrrhic wins the Google contest > > Togashi Imura > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rusty Priske" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 9:49 PM > Subject: Re: [L5R-CCG] [Design] Web of Lies > > > > > > > > > > That should be Pyrrhic, right? > > > > > > I thought so as well but a quick Google search tells me that both > > spellings are used. > > > > Rusty Priske > > > > _______________________________________________ > > L5r-ccg mailing list > > L5r-ccg at alderac.com > > http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > L5r-ccg mailing list > L5r-ccg at alderac.com > http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com > > -- _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From autochthonous at sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 2 16:11:12 2004 From: autochthonous at sbcglobal.net (Joaquin Chavez) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 13:11:12 -0800 Subject: [L5R-CCG] [Design] Web of Lies In-Reply-To: <20041102.111733.-322085.9.isawaletomo@juno.com> Message-ID: That's basically correct, though it was Prince Pyrrhus of Epirus, a city-state in Greece, and he was the one who defeated the Romans at Asculum (279 CE) at so great a cost that he supposedly said, "One more victory against the Romans and we will be ruined." All that being said, a Roman invasion of Rokugan would be awesome. - Hida Katsuro Crab Clan Dire Historian -----Original Message----- From: L5r-ccg-bounces at alderac.com [mailto:L5r-ccg-bounces at alderac.com]On Behalf Of Lee T Boswell Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 10:17 AM To: L5r-ccg at alderac.com Subject: Re: [L5R-CCG] [Design] Web of Lies >2) Fields of Phyrric Victory. Are the Greeks or >Romans invading Rokugan? > Well, there are the Yodotai, an expanding empire introduced in Legend of the Burning Sands. They are based on Roman myths, and one of the cards actually said Phyrrus [or something like that] on it. But I think this refers to an old story of the Romans. The Romans won the battle, but lost almost their whole army doing it. Thus, a Phyrric Victory is one where you won, but, was it really worth the cost you paid? >3) It appears that we are getting Scorpion and Dragon >Senseis this set (and someone I can't ID off the top >of my head). > If I remember correctly, Umasu was a Crab, one of the Kaiu Engineers. Doesn't mean they won't just steal the name though. Who had heard of Mihoko before the Crane Sensei came out, after all? Isawa Letomo Phoenix clan Librarian-Shugenja Lee Boswell BH#1474 ________________________________________________________________ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/ month - visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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Message-ID: <01C1CD50-2D18-11D9-8EA5-0050E4EE4412@canterbury.connectfree.co.uk> Are we to assume that there is no change to the Watchlist for this month, and that it therefore consists of: Gozoku Sensei? _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From Sphynx at aol.com Tue Nov 2 16:48:41 2004 From: Sphynx at aol.com (Sphynx at aol.com) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 16:48:41 -0500 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Paneki Champion WTF??!?!?!?!?! Message-ID: <2DEAF3D0.25148CB1.000547D6@aol.com> >>Does anyone know what happened here? >Yes. >Scorpion just got a personality which will come into play >around turn six, >just in time for the last attack. >So, Scorpion players won't be able to stop the attack, but >at least they'll >know what's coming. How bizarre. When I saw this personality I wanted to run him in *every* deck. Pity that I can't. Knowing your opponent's hand is amazing... ok, it's better than amazing. You know exactly if your opponent can counter your actions before taking them. You know when your opponent is bluffing (or in this case, your opponent can't bluff). He comes out more quickly than Kaneka (unless you're Phoenix) and the ability to use an action that your opponent has in hand is phenomenal. Ookami Koan Experienced 10 Paneki While Ookami Koan is in your deck you get to look at your opponent's decks and put them in any order at any time. _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From Sphynx at aol.com Tue Nov 2 16:55:26 2004 From: Sphynx at aol.com (Sphynx at aol.com) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 16:55:26 -0500 Subject: [L5R-CCG] [Design] Web of Lies Message-ID: <044F3909.530CC8BF.000547D6@aol.com> >That's basically correct, though it was Prince Pyrrhus of >Epirus, a city-state in Greece, and he was the one who >defeated the Romans at Asculum(279 CE) at so great a cost >that he supposedly said, "One more victory against the >Romans and we will be ruined." Another reason to play L5R...history lessons! :) Ookami Koan _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From jkkotz at yahoo.com Tue Nov 2 17:01:58 2004 From: jkkotz at yahoo.com (James Kotz) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 14:01:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [L5R-CCG] Raiding vs. Crab = death? Message-ID: <20041102220158.34562.qmail@web21422.mail.yahoo.com> So when raiders defeat an army with Yu in it, the Yu is activated, correct? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From shosurokenshin at gmail.com Tue Nov 2 17:18:12 2004 From: shosurokenshin at gmail.com (Shosuro Kenshin) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 14:18:12 -0800 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Paneki Champion WTF??!?!?!?!?! In-Reply-To: <2DEAF3D0.25148CB1.000547D6@aol.com> References: <2DEAF3D0.25148CB1.000547D6@aol.com> Message-ID: <8cabb446041102141842323d6d@mail.gmail.com> Wow, It seems that us scorpion players will actually pack our champion now. On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 16:48:41 -0500, sphynx at aol.com wrote: > >>Does anyone know what happened here? > > >Yes. > >Scorpion just got a personality which will come into play >around turn six, > >just in time for the last attack. > >So, Scorpion players won't be able to stop the attack, but >at least they'll > >know what's coming. > > How bizarre. When I saw this personality I wanted to run him in *every* deck. Pity that I can't. Knowing your opponent's hand is amazing... ok, it's better than amazing. You know exactly if your opponent can counter your actions before taking them. You know when your opponent is bluffing (or in this case, your opponent can't bluff). He comes out more quickly than Kaneka (unless you're Phoenix) and the ability to use an action that your opponent has in hand is phenomenal. > > Ookami Koan > Experienced 10 Paneki > While Ookami Koan is in your deck you get to look at your opponent's decks and put them in any order at any time. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > L5r-ccg mailing list > L5r-ccg at alderac.com > http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com > -- Shosuro Kenshin _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From josepheagle at canterbury.connectfree.co.uk Tue Nov 2 17:15:52 2004 From: josepheagle at canterbury.connectfree.co.uk (Joe Eagle) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 22:15:52 +0000 Subject: [L5R-CCG] rules: opposition In-Reply-To: Message-ID: A tangential point that has just occurred to me that is relevant to Raiding: since a defending army that survives battle resolution stays at the province until the end of the attack phase, presumably they would also therefore be considered 'unopposed' when the other battles of that attack phase are being resolved. So a Raid attack can go assign at 2 provinces, and even if the defender defends both, he is guaranteed to have some 'unopposed' units at some point in the attack phase. On Tuesday, November 2, 2004, at 07:37 pm, Jeff Alexander wrote: >> is a personality at home considered to be unopposed? > > "Unopposed" means "not opposed". _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From duchon.philippe at free.fr Tue Nov 2 17:24:57 2004 From: duchon.philippe at free.fr (Philippe Duchon) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 23:24:57 +0100 Subject: [L5R-CCG] rules: opposition In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041102232457.191bf429.duchon.philippe@free.fr> On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 22:15:52 +0000 Joe Eagle wrote: > A tangential point that has just occurred to me that is relevant to > Raiding: > since a defending army that survives battle resolution stays at the > province until the end of the attack phase, presumably they would also > therefore be considered 'unopposed' when the other battles of that > attack phase are being resolved. Whether they remain at the province (which they do, normally) or don't, they're now unopposed. > So a Raid attack can go assign at 2 provinces, and even if the defender > defends both, he is guaranteed to have some 'unopposed' units at some > point in the attack phase. Which is why your best defense against Raiding would be to lose all Provinces but one :) Seriously - not packing significant battle attrition is asking for trouble if Raiding decks are anything close to popular. -- Philippe Duchon -- duchon.philippe at free.fr Scorpion Clan Crypto-Geek _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From josepheagle at canterbury.connectfree.co.uk Tue Nov 2 17:36:43 2004 From: josepheagle at canterbury.connectfree.co.uk (Joe Eagle) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 22:36:43 +0000 Subject: [L5R-CCG] rules: opposition In-Reply-To: <20041102232457.191bf429.duchon.philippe@free.fr> Message-ID: On Tuesday, November 2, 2004, at 10:24 pm, Philippe Duchon wrote: > On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 22:15:52 +0000 > Joe Eagle wrote: > >> A tangential point that has just occurred to me that is relevant to >> Raiding: >> since a defending army that survives battle resolution stays at the >> province until the end of the attack phase, presumably they would also >> therefore be considered 'unopposed' when the other battles of that >> attack phase are being resolved. > > Whether they remain at the province (which they do, normally) or > don't, they're now unopposed. > Yes. What I mean is, that even if you do send your units into battle to face the raiders, and they win the battle, they can *still* end up counting as being unopposed. Which seems a little harsh if the idea is to force decks to interact by facing each other in battle. >> So a Raid attack can go assign at 2 provinces, and even if the >> defender >> defends both, he is guaranteed to have some 'unopposed' units at some >> point in the attack phase. > > Which is why your best defense against Raiding would be to lose all > Provinces but one :) > > Seriously - not packing significant battle attrition is asking for > trouble if Raiding decks are anything close to popular. _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From diablo_5 at hotmail.com Tue Nov 2 17:42:25 2004 From: diablo_5 at hotmail.com (Andrew Laderoute) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 17:42:25 -0500 Subject: [L5R-CCG] November Watchlist update? Message-ID: They'll either: A) Leave it alone for another month of contemplation. B) Errata Gozoku Sensei and remove it from the list. C) Remove Gozoku Sensei without any changes. Hoping it's B... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Hida Ryushi 6F/6C 0HR/12G/2PH Crab Clan Hero*Iron Legion Samurai*Tactician*Yu 5*Experienced*Unique Tactical Battle: Ryushi gains a Force bonus equal to his Yu value. Reaction: After any Attack Phase, you may take one Action card that checked Ryushi's Yu value from your Discard pile into your hand. "After a thousand battles, one only sees death." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From igarishi at hotmail.com Tue Nov 2 17:42:52 2004 From: igarishi at hotmail.com (Igarishi Bayushi) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 22:42:52 +0000 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Question about the Loyal trait Message-ID: This came up in a game last night. Opponent was playing Mantis, I'm playing Phoenix and I had Shiba out. Can he Egg of Pan Ku my Shiba? The description of Loyal in the Dawn of the Empire set isn't very clear on this point, but it does seem more stringent than the old "will only join" text because it does specify that you can't overlay a Loyal version of a personality on a version without the trait unless you are playing the required clan (i.e. having the original Yakamo out and overlaying the Thunder Yakomo in a Dragon deck). Thanks Bayushi Igarishi L5R(1.1D)SC++++S+G+R+YC+E+++!MTD+K++++U++ _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From Whitecat31 at aol.com Tue Nov 2 17:46:52 2004 From: Whitecat31 at aol.com (Whitecat31 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 17:46:52 EST Subject: [L5R-CCG] [Design] Web of Lies Message-ID: <15a.42a2f8a0.2eb9685c@aol.com> In a message dated 11/2/2004 1:12:20 PM Pacific Standard Time, autochthonous at sbcglobal.net writes: > All that being said, a Roman invasion of Rokugan would be awesome. > > - Hida Katsuro > Crab Clan Dire Historian Unless you are a peasant. I think my favorite mispell is the Kharmic Strike versus Karmic Strike. A Reju fan out of a Dragon deck said you can use 6 of them because they are seperate card titles.. (eye roll) _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From diablo_5 at hotmail.com Tue Nov 2 17:51:18 2004 From: diablo_5 at hotmail.com (Andrew Laderoute) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 17:51:18 -0500 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Question about the Loyal trait Message-ID: But, remember, Egg of P'an Ku will copy ANYONE, including Loyal Personalities. Loyal is basically a shortened version of "Will only join a X Clan player.", and the Egg says "or one who will not join you.". Having two Kami out wouldn't be bad, wouldn't you think? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Hida Ryushi 6F/6C 0HR/12G/2PH Crab Clan Hero*Iron Legion Samurai*Tactician*Yu 5*Experienced*Unique Tactical Battle: Ryushi gains a Force bonus equal to his Yu value. Reaction: After any Attack Phase, you may take one Action card that checked Ryushi's Yu value from your Discard pile into your hand. "After a thousand battles, one only sees death." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From s_vrettakos at acn.gr Tue Nov 2 18:13:21 2004 From: s_vrettakos at acn.gr (sarandis vrettakos) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 01:13:21 +0200 Subject: [L5R-CCG] [Design] Web of Lies In-Reply-To: <20041102.111733.-322085.9.isawaletomo@juno.com> Message-ID: <003401c4c131$8f2c2610$a22e05d5@user5hkca89uul> Actually,it refers to a Greek:an old king of Epirus(a Greek province)called Pyrros.He waged war on the Roman empire(before 146BC,the date officially recognized as the one when the Romans conquered ancient Greece).He fought fought 4 battles,winning the first three,but with such horrendous casualties it was as if he had lost.He made it to the Italian peninsula,and nearly got to Rome before the 4th battle,which he lost. Sarandis Vrettakos Isawa Kenshi Phoenix Clan Acolyte of Air -----Original Message----- From: Lee T Boswell [mailto:isawaletomo at juno.com] Sent: ?????, 2 ????????? 2004 8:17 ?? To: L5r-ccg at alderac.com Subject: Re: [L5R-CCG] [Design] Web of Lies >2) Fields of Phyrric Victory. Are the Greeks or >Romans invading Rokugan? > Well, there are the Yodotai, an expanding empire introduced in Legend of the Burning Sands. They are based on Roman myths, and one of the cards actually said Phyrrus [or something like that] on it. But I think this refers to an old story of the Romans. The Romans won the battle, but lost almost their whole army doing it. Thus, a Phyrric Victory is one where you won, but, was it really worth the cost you paid? _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From henry.hemming at phreaker.net Tue Nov 2 18:13:23 2004 From: henry.hemming at phreaker.net (Henry Hemming) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 01:13:23 +0200 Subject: [L5R-CCG] useless crab.. Message-ID: <024e01c4c131$8f7f9d40$1bd68e3e@tanitsu> who would you want to handle the diplomacy for you.. a crane or a crab? sure a crab might be a better general, which isnt saying much when compared to a crane, but having all other clans hating you because a total lack of manners will only bring economical ruin on the long run.. besides, even military operations work much better if you have some ninjas & harriers, a good naval detachment and some cavalry to boot, not to mention some concept of tactics.. -typo _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From awing10 at comcast.net Tue Nov 2 19:32:27 2004 From: awing10 at comcast.net (Matt) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 16:32:27 -0800 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Paneki? Message-ID: <000c01c4c13c$99568800$6400a8c0@Doji> Since Paneki may play a face-up card from another players hand. Does Paneki have to play this card as it is written? Can he use this card for his tactician ability? _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From orihara at gmail.com Tue Nov 2 19:42:28 2004 From: orihara at gmail.com (Matthew Hui) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 18:42:28 -0600 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Paneki? In-Reply-To: <000c01c4c13c$99568800$6400a8c0@Doji> References: <000c01c4c13c$99568800$6400a8c0@Doji> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 16:32:27 -0800, Matt wrote: > Since Paneki may play a face-up card from another players hand. > > Does Paneki have to play this card as it is written? > Can he use this card for his tactician ability? Using the tactician ability is not playing the card. Playing the card requires the use of one of the abilities printed on the card. -- Nations do not survive by setting examples for others. Nations survive by making examples of others. -Stuart Slade _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From iosef at gothic.net.au Tue Nov 2 21:51:25 2004 From: iosef at gothic.net.au (I) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 13:51:25 +1100 Subject: [L5R-CCG] [Design] Web of Lies In-Reply-To: <009a01c4c11e$1933a090$468ae78a@imuradono> References: <009a01c4c11e$1933a090$468ae78a@imuradono> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20041103134914.02e3dd70@127.0.0.1> At 07:54 AM 3/11/2004, Togashi Imura wrote: >If you trust google, you'll see that one of the beatles was called : John >Lenon. > >By the way, with 40,000 to 2,000 pyrrhic wins the Google contest > >Togashi Imura If nits are being pick, it should use the Greek script not the roman, so optional changes in transliteration are acceptable (Chaos, Kaos, Xaos are the same word too.) Iestyn _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From shosurokenshin at gmail.com Wed Nov 3 03:08:13 2004 From: shosurokenshin at gmail.com (Shosuro Kenshin) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 00:08:13 -0800 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Paneki? In-Reply-To: References: <000c01c4c13c$99568800$6400a8c0@Doji> Message-ID: <8cabb4460411030008543c71cb@mail.gmail.com> That's too bad, it'd be awesome to steal a let your spirit guide you for a whopping 6 force. On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 18:42:28 -0600, Matthew Hui wrote: > On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 16:32:27 -0800, Matt wrote: > > Since Paneki may play a face-up card from another players hand. > > > > Does Paneki have to play this card as it is written? > > Can he use this card for his tactician ability? > > Using the tactician ability is not playing the card. Playing the card > requires the use of one of the abilities printed on the card. > > -- > Nations do not survive by setting examples for others. > Nations survive by making examples of others. > -Stuart Slade > > > > _______________________________________________ > L5r-ccg mailing list > L5r-ccg at alderac.com > http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com > -- Shosuro Kenshin _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From jacovis at yahoo.com Wed Nov 3 05:48:02 2004 From: jacovis at yahoo.com (Mr Jacob Cassens) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 02:48:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [L5R-CCG] [Rules] Hyaku and Overwhelmed Message-ID: <20041103104802.47888.qmail@web10804.mail.yahoo.com> Hey Jeff or Marty, I have a question regarding the use of Doji Hayaku's Reaction to being destroyed with Overwhelmed: Relevant Card Text: Hyaku - Crane Clan Samurai. Daidoji Family Founder. Harrier When paying for Hayaku, you may reduce his Gold cost by 2 and permanently give him -2 Personal Honor. Battle: Once per battle, target an opposing card. Give it a Force penalty equal to Hayaku's Personal Honor. Reaction: Before Hayaku is destroyed: Produce a ranged attack with a strength equal to Hayaku's Personal Honor. Overwhelmed - Battle: As a cost, destroy your Personality in this battle with the highest Force, who must be unbowed. (In the case of a tie, choose one). The opposing player chooses either to destroy one Personality with the highest Force in his army or send two units in his army home without bowing. He must choose to destroy a Personality if he cannot send two units home. Here's the scenario : We are in a battle, he has hayaku on defense, I am attacking with two personalities (Moto Latomu and Iuchi Yue, for example) It's his action, and he plays Overwhelmed. Does his reaction to being destroyed as the cost for overwhelmed allow him to effectively shoot my Moto Latomu for 4, thus leaving only one personality at the province, which I must choose to destroy because I do not have two or more personalities in my army? Or does the complete action on Overwhelmed occur before the reaction on Hayaku occurs, allowing me to choose to send my personalities home as part of Overwhelmed's effect, thus avoiding losing either personality? Thanks in advance for your time Jacob C. Unicron Clan Punching Bag ===== "Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss you'll land among the stars." -- Les Brown __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From Whitecat31 at aol.com Wed Nov 3 05:50:03 2004 From: Whitecat31 at aol.com (Whitecat31 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 05:50:03 EST Subject: [L5R-CCG] Daigotsu is up. Message-ID: <9d.51cc61e3.2eba11db@aol.com> My first question is... Daigotsu has the Champion trait..What exactly is he the champion of? My second question is.. why does he have one personal honor? He can also join any clan. Wow.. I really like the art work. WC _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From Whitecat31 at aol.com Wed Nov 3 06:54:52 2004 From: Whitecat31 at aol.com (Whitecat31 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 06:54:52 EST Subject: [L5R-CCG] [Rules] Hyaku and Overwhelmed Message-ID: In a message dated 11/3/2004 2:50:43 AM Pacific Standard Time, jacovis at yahoo.com writes: > Hey Jeff or Marty, > > I have a question regarding the use of Doji Hayaku's > Reaction to being destroyed with Overwhelmed: > > Relevant Card Text: > > Hyaku - Crane Clan Samurai. Daidoji Family Founder. > Harrier When paying for Hayaku, you may reduce his > Gold cost by 2 and permanently give him -2 Personal > Honor. Battle: Once per battle, target an opposing > card. Give it a Force penalty equal to Hayaku's > Personal Honor. Reaction: Before Hayaku is destroyed: > Produce a ranged attack with a strength equal to > Hayaku's Personal Honor. > > Overwhelmed - Battle: As a cost, destroy your > Personality in this battle with the highest Force, who > must be unbowed. (In the case of a tie, choose one). > The opposing player chooses either to destroy one > Personality with the highest Force in his army or send > two units in his army home without bowing. He must > choose to destroy a Personality if he cannot send two > units home. > > Here's the scenario : > > We are in a battle, he has hayaku on defense, I am > attacking with two personalities (Moto Latomu and > Iuchi Yue, for example) It's his action, and he plays > Overwhelmed. > > Does his reaction to being destroyed as the cost for > overwhelmed allow him to effectively shoot my Moto > Latomu for 4, thus leaving only one personality at the > province, which I must choose to destroy because I do > not have two or more personalities in my army? WC: Yes. The destruction of the personality is part of the cost of the action. It occurs BEFORE you choose the targets. The reaction to the personality destruction will occur before you choose the targets as well. Page 70 of the Diamond rule book basically says you pay cost before the effect of an action occur. > Or does the complete action on Overwhelmed occur > before the reaction on Hayaku occurs, allowing me to > choose to send my personalities home as part of > Overwhelmed's effect, thus avoiding losing either > personality? > WC: No. Your opponent has effectively taken out two of your guys. Feel free to wait the three or four days for Marty to answer though if you like. > Thanks in advance for your time > > Jacob C. No problem.. Sorry if I did not give you the answer you wanted. David Starr Whitecat31 GAB Vice-Admiral in the Golden Koku Team _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From jsarment at chipidea.com Wed Nov 3 06:57:24 2004 From: jsarment at chipidea.com (Jose Angelo Sarmento) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 11:57:24 +0000 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Daigotsu is up. In-Reply-To: <9d.51cc61e3.2eba11db@aol.com> References: <9d.51cc61e3.2eba11db@aol.com> Message-ID: <4188C7A4.6060505@chipidea.com> Could have to do with him being free from Jigoku's taint in the storyline now (right?). Like he doesn't have any strings attached to the Shadowlands (for now). I agree the artwork is AWESOME! Whitecat31 at aol.com wrote: >My first question is... Daigotsu has the Champion trait..What exactly is he >the champion of? >My second question is.. why does he have one personal honor? > >He can also join any clan. Wow.. I really like the art work. > >WC >_______________________________________________ >L5r-ccg mailing list >L5r-ccg at alderac.com >http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com > > > _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From vmil at emphasis-systems.gr Wed Nov 3 07:45:18 2004 From: vmil at emphasis-systems.gr (vasilis milingos) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 14:45:18 +0200 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Fields of Phyrric Victory Message-ID: OK for those of you with historical concerns I would like to say that After Alexander the Great died the Greek empire broke into many kingdoms and one kindom called Hpeiros (northern east area of Greece is still called Hpeiros) was ruled by King Pyrros who was Alexanders uncle from his mothers side of the family. This king Pyrros had a big army and went at war with the invading Romans. There was a major battle outside his kingdom where he defeated the Romans but lost most of his army. So when the Romans organized a second campaign against him he surrendered. In modern Greece we still use the expression "Pyrrios victory" for a victory with many losses or for a victory that is only temporary !!! Also Pyros is a name still give to many greek boys. Hope you enjoyed the tale. Shinjo Aruna My Greek name is Vasilis > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 11:17:05 -0700 > From: Lee T Boswell > Subject: Re: [L5R-CCG] [Design] Web of Lies > To: L5r-ccg at alderac.com > Message-ID: <20041102.111733.-322085.9.isawaletomo at juno.com> > Content-Type: text/plain > > >2) Fields of Phyrric Victory. Are the Greeks or > >Romans invading Rokugan? > > > > Well, there are the Yodotai, an expanding empire introduced in > Legend of > the Burning Sands. They are based on Roman myths, and one of the cards > actually said Phyrrus [or something like that] on it. But I think this > refers to an old story of the Romans. The Romans won the battle, but > lost almost their whole army doing it. Thus, a Phyrric Victory is one > where you won, but, was it really worth the cost you paid? > > >3) It appears that we are getting Scorpion and Dragon > >Senseis this set (and someone I can't ID off the top > >of my head). > > > > If I remember correctly, Umasu was a Crab, one of the Kaiu > Engineers. > Doesn't mean they won't just steal the name though. Who had heard of > Mihoko before the Crane Sensei came out, after all? > > Isawa Letomo > Phoenix clan Librarian-Shugenja > > Lee Boswell > BH#1474 _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From vmil at emphasis-systems.gr Wed Nov 3 07:51:20 2004 From: vmil at emphasis-systems.gr (vasilis milingos) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 14:51:20 +0200 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Fields of Phyrric Victory Message-ID: Ok here it is again with spell checked. ------ For those of you with historical concerns I would like to say that After Alexander the Great died the Greek empire broke into many kingdoms and one kingdom called Epirus (northern east area of Greece is still called Epirus) was ruled by King Pyrrhus who was Alexanders uncle from his mothers side of the family. This king Pyrrhus had a big army and went at war with the invading Romans. There was a major battle outside his kingdom where he defeated the Romans but lost most of his army. So when the Romans organized a second campaign against him he surrendered. In modern Greece we still use the expression "Pyrrhios victory" for a victory with many losses or for a victory that is only temporary !!! Also Pyrrhus is a name still give to many greek boys. Hope you enjoyed the tale. Shinjo Aruna My Greek name is Vasilis > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 11:17:05 -0700 > From: Lee T Boswell > Subject: Re: [L5R-CCG] [Design] Web of Lies > To: L5r-ccg at alderac.com > Message-ID: <20041102.111733.-322085.9.isawaletomo at juno.com> > Content-Type: text/plain > > >2) Fields of Phyrric Victory. Are the Greeks or > >Romans invading Rokugan? > > > > Well, there are the Yodotai, an expanding empire introduced in > Legend of > the Burning Sands. They are based on Roman myths, and one of the cards > actually said Phyrrus [or something like that] on it. But I think this > refers to an old story of the Romans. The Romans won the battle, but > lost almost their whole army doing it. Thus, a Phyrric Victory is one > where you won, but, was it really worth the cost you paid? > > >3) It appears that we are getting Scorpion and Dragon > >Senseis this set (and someone I can't ID off the top > >of my head). > > > > If I remember correctly, Umasu was a Crab, one of the Kaiu > Engineers. > Doesn't mean they won't just steal the name though. Who had heard of > Mihoko before the Crane Sensei came out, after all? > > Isawa Letomo > Phoenix clan Librarian-Shugenja > > Lee Boswell > BH#1474 _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From geijhan at pandora.be Wed Nov 3 08:09:21 2004 From: geijhan at pandora.be (geijhan) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 14:09:21 +0100 Subject: [L5R-CCG] [Design] Web of Lies References: Message-ID: <03f301c4c1a6$590aabe0$2100a8c0@Upcbelgium.be> > I've seen other comments about this. I wonder whether people think the use > of this word is inappropriate due to its etymological origins. >If they have > to worry about such things, we might have to get rid of words like > 'assassin' 'kidnapper' and 'berserker.' While you do have a point, I think the etymological origins of Pyrrhic victory are far more obvious; as evidenced by everybody and their brother presenting the tale in question which spawned the expression. I don't personally mind (and I'd mind even less if this turns out to be Yodatai-related. ;-)) but the image of Rokugani citizens talking about how the exploits of a Yodatai (Who? Gaijin scum! ah.) general spawned a common Rokugani expression can be somewhat jarring. Just like, indeed, talk about Thugs would be jarring if it always summoned the image of the Indian (oh sorry, Ivory Kingdoms) Thuggee. > Ide Okama Geijhan _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From popejubal at yahoo.com Wed Nov 3 08:33:10 2004 From: popejubal at yahoo.com (Michael Wilson) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 05:33:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [L5R-CCG] [rules] Tactical Battle Actions Message-ID: <20041103133310.8453.qmail@web53406.mail.yahoo.com> In order to play a Battle action, I either have to start with presence or the action has to move one of my personalities into the battle, thus creating presence. In order to play a Tactical Battle action, I believe that I have to have a Tactician at the battle and that Tactical Battle action will use up his one-use-per-battle opportunity to do his Tactician thing. Can I play a Tactical Battle action with no Tacticians in the battle if that Tactical Battle action will move a Tactician into the battle (like I can with generic Battle actions when I have no presence)? This is a general question, but I'm sure you know why I'm asking. *cough*rageofmatsu*cough* Also, if the answer is no, could someone please let Mark Jelfo know right away? :) Pope Jubal Jubal no Oni Dark Oracle of Jell-O --- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From madscotsman13 at hotmail.com Wed Nov 3 09:30:17 2004 From: madscotsman13 at hotmail.com (John Haynie) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 08:30:17 -0600 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Paneki Champion WTF??!?!?!?!?! Message-ID: No I wasn't bitching...I really don't care...it's just another factor you have to consider when you play. I mean story wise....what happened to make Paneki Champion? John Haynie Bounty Hunter 387 Akodo Matori Lion Clan Advisor "Honour is not a birthright" St.John Smith Smyth Smith Avalonian Milksop "Good Show...ripping good fight...whats that on my shirt...blood? *gasp* Faint*" Important Quotes "Real Friends Stab you in the front" Oscar Wilde "I'm not going hit ya, I'm not going to hit ya...the hell I'm not (POW)!" John Wayne >From: "James and Andrea Collier" >Reply-To: L5r-ccg at alderac.com >To: L5r-ccg at alderac.com >Subject: RE: [L5R-CCG] Paneki Champion WTF??!?!?!?!?! >Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 17:26:50 +0000 > > > >>From: "John Haynie" >>Reply-To: L5r-ccg at alderac.com >>To: L5r-ccg at alderac.com >>Subject: [L5R-CCG] Paneki Champion WTF??!?!?!?!?! >>Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 09:59:54 -0600 >> >>Does anyone know what happened here? > >Yes. >Scorpion just got a personality which will come into play around turn six, >just in time for the last attack. >So, Scorpion players won't be able to stop the attack, but at least they'll >know what's coming. > >"Hmmm . . . three 10K Swords . . . and a Sneak." > >Wannabe no Shiryo > > > >_______________________________________________ >L5r-ccg mailing list >L5r-ccg at alderac.com >http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com _________________________________________________________________ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From togashi.shin at free.fr Wed Nov 3 10:00:59 2004 From: togashi.shin at free.fr (Togashi Imura) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 16:00:59 +0100 Subject: [L5R-CCG] [Perhaps Jeff ; )][Combo][Stupid bracket title] Combo of the day : Kaneka + Matsu's rage References: Message-ID: <00b601c4c1b5$edcf3e80$468ae78a@imuradono> Matsu's Rage Tactical Battle : Target a Personality in his controller's home. Move him into the current defending army. If he moved, straighten his unit. Kaneka Tactical Battle: Bow an opposing unit. That unit's controller may instead bow at least two other units whose combined total Force exceeds Kaneka's Chi. a.. If a player chooses to bow two units when his second ability is used, the other units to be bowed instead must be in the same army as the targeted unit. [Erratum, JA, 11 May 2004] And here is the combo : I attack, say, with kaneka. Kaneka is my Attacking army. I have a Koto at home. The defender is a military deck (if he won't, it would be no fun) and assigns a lot of personality to defend. I won't focus on the defender's actions. My first action : I use Kaneka to perform a Matsu's Rage on my own Koto, so that he moves to the opposing army. My second action : I use Kaneka's bowing tactical action... on Koto As the controller of Koto, I choose to bow at least two other unit blablabla And thus, I bow each of the defender's unit (except my koto ;) ). Ninube Ogoku is back, my friends !!! Have fun !!! Togashi Imura _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From popejubal at yahoo.com Wed Nov 3 10:15:36 2004 From: popejubal at yahoo.com (Michael Wilson) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 07:15:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [L5R-CCG] [rules] Traits Message-ID: <20041103151536.29644.qmail@web53407.mail.yahoo.com> A while back, someone noticed a retarded combo that looked like it relied on some oddball card templating and it looks to me like they were right on the money and what they suggested was (and still is) legal. So, here's my question. Traits are always active, whether they're in play or in the discard pile or in your deck. I had heard a rumor that Dawn of the Empire would contain an additional rule that says essentially "Traits only effect the card they're printed on unless that card is in play". Right now, it doesn't matter with more cards. Ki-Rin's Shrine, for instance, says "While Ki-Rin's Shrine is in play, your Human Personalities gain +1F/+1C and your Dragon Clan Personalities gain +1 Personal Honor." If Ki-Rin's Shrine said "Your Human Personalities gain +1F/+1C and your Dragon Clan Personalities gain +1 Personal Honor," and was lacking the "While in play" bit, then all your Human Personalities would gain the +1F/+1C even while Ki-Rin's Shrine was in the deck or in the discard pile. Here are my two questions: 1) Is what I said about Ki-Rin's Shrine correct? 2) Was there an additional rule added in Dawn or in Wrath that I missed? Perhaps one that said card traits only effect the card that they're printed on unless the card is in play? Pope Jubal Jubal no Oni Dark Oracle of Jell-O --- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From popejubal at yahoo.com Wed Nov 3 11:04:56 2004 From: popejubal at yahoo.com (Michael Wilson) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 08:04:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [L5R-CCG] [rules] honor loss negate/modify Message-ID: <20041103160456.12995.qmail@web53410.mail.yahoo.com> I'm having a busy day. If a card has an honor loss and it says that the honor loss can't be modified or redirected, can it still be negated? For instance, can I use "Bayushi's Shrine" on "Dark Oracle of Void"? Bayushi's Shrine: This Province does not hold Dynasty cards (do not refill it). Political Reaction: Bow Bayushi's Shrine before you lose Honor to negate the loss. Dark Oracle of Void Elemental Limited: Bow Dark Oracle of the Void to look at the top five cards of any one deck and rearrange them in any order. Lose 4 Honor. This loss may not be copied or modified. Other players' decks may each be targeted only once per game with this action. Pope Jubal Jubal no Oni Dark Oracle of Jell-O --- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From cloak72 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 3 11:16:30 2004 From: cloak72 at yahoo.com (Robert Van Natter) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 08:16:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [L5R-CCG] [rules] Tactical Battle Actions In-Reply-To: <20041103133310.8453.qmail@web53406.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20041103161630.57902.qmail@web41824.mail.yahoo.com> >From Mark's post: "AND, should you be having a hard time creating these Formations ? maybe because there?s that special non-Tactician that you just can?t seem to remove from your deck ? there?s the Rage of Matsu to help out. And it?s practically free: Rage of Matsu Action 0G Battle: Target an opposed Personality you control: If you are a Lion Clan player, give him Tactician. Draw a card. Tactical Battle: Target a Personality in his controller?s home. Move him into the current defending army. If he moved, straighten his unit. HUH! I just realized while typing this that you can use that second ability on your own Personalities in addition to your opponent?s. Sweet." All he said is that you can target your own Personalities with it. He says nothing about moving a unit into an empty battle... --- Michael Wilson wrote: > In order to play a Battle action, I either have to > start with presence or the action has to move one of > my personalities into the battle, thus creating > presence. > > In order to play a Tactical Battle action, I believe > that I have to have a Tactician at the battle and > that > Tactical Battle action will use up his > one-use-per-battle opportunity to do his Tactician > thing. > > Can I play a Tactical Battle action with no > Tacticians > in the battle if that Tactical Battle action will > move > a Tactician into the battle (like I can with generic > Battle actions when I have no presence)? > > This is a general question, but I'm sure you know > why > I'm asking. > *cough*rageofmatsu*cough* > > Also, if the answer is no, could someone please let > Mark Jelfo know right away? :) > > Pope Jubal > Jubal no Oni > Dark Oracle of Jell-O > --- > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. > www.yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > L5r-ccg mailing list > L5r-ccg at alderac.com > http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com > ===== Hiruma Ayslyn Crab Clan Professional Medler Scout Samurai Hero "We are all just Samurai brother, but when we stand together, we are the Crab" "Pain shared is pain divided; joy shared is joy multiplied" Everything I needed to know, I learned from drinking at Callahan's __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From ajb818s at hotmail.com Wed Nov 3 12:38:19 2004 From: ajb818s at hotmail.com (Andrew Bloomgren) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 11:38:19 -0600 Subject: [L5R-CCG] off topic Phyrric Victory Message-ID: can we get this offtopic thread banned from the list? _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From jalexander at alderac.com Wed Nov 3 14:21:59 2004 From: jalexander at alderac.com (Jeff Alexander) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:21:59 -0800 Subject: [L5R-CCG] [Perhaps Jeff ; )][Combo][Stupid bracket title] Combo of the day : Kaneka + Matsu's rage In-Reply-To: <00b601c4c1b5$edcf3e80$468ae78a@imuradono> References: <00b601c4c1b5$edcf3e80$468ae78a@imuradono> Message-ID: > Matsu's Rage > Tactical Battle : Target a Personality in his controller's home. >Move him into the current defending army. If he moved, straighten his unit. >Kaneka > > Tactical Battle: Bow an opposing unit. That unit's controller may instead >bow at least two other units whose combined total Force exceeds Kaneka's >Chi. > > a.. If a player chooses to bow two units when his second ability is used, >the other units to be bowed instead must be in the same army as the targeted >unit. [Erratum, JA, 11 May 2004] > > >And here is the combo : >I attack, say, with kaneka. Kaneka is my Attacking army. I have a Koto at >home. > >The defender is a military deck (if he won't, it would be no fun) and >assigns a lot of personality to defend. > >I won't focus on the defender's actions. > > >My first action : I use Kaneka to perform a Matsu's Rage on my own Koto, so >that he moves to the opposing army. Okay. Koto won't move though. Units you control can't enter an army unless you are its leader or a confirmed ally of its leader. And that pretty much ruins the rest of your clever combo. -- Jeff Alexander Lead Designer, L5R CCG Alderac Entertainment Group _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From togashi.shin at free.fr Wed Nov 3 14:43:06 2004 From: togashi.shin at free.fr (Togashi Imura) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 20:43:06 +0100 Subject: [L5R-CCG] [Perhaps Jeff ; )][Combo][Stupid bracket title]Combo of the day : Kaneka + Matsu's rage References: <00b601c4c1b5$edcf3e80$468ae78a@imuradono> Message-ID: <015401c4c1dd$570a6a10$468ae78a@imuradono> Ok... I have just believed the card told the contrary. But the true purpose of this post was to check all of this. Anyway... that doesn't matter. Wasn't your tone a bit ironistic ? that is bad of you... bad, bad, bad... Thanks, then. Togashi Imura ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Alexander" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [L5R-CCG] [Perhaps Jeff ; )][Combo][Stupid bracket title]Combo of the day : Kaneka + Matsu's rage > > Matsu's Rage > > Tactical Battle : Target a Personality in his controller's home. > >Move him into the current defending army. If he moved, straighten his unit. > >Kaneka > > > > Tactical Battle: Bow an opposing unit. That unit's controller may instead > >bow at least two other units whose combined total Force exceeds Kaneka's > >Chi. > > > > a.. If a player chooses to bow two units when his second ability is used, > >the other units to be bowed instead must be in the same army as the targeted > >unit. [Erratum, JA, 11 May 2004] > > > > > >And here is the combo : > >I attack, say, with kaneka. Kaneka is my Attacking army. I have a Koto at > >home. > > > >The defender is a military deck (if he won't, it would be no fun) and > >assigns a lot of personality to defend. > > > >I won't focus on the defender's actions. > > > > > >My first action : I use Kaneka to perform a Matsu's Rage on my own Koto, so > >that he moves to the opposing army. > > Okay. Koto won't move though. Units you control can't enter an army > unless you are its leader or a confirmed ally of its leader. And > that pretty much ruins the rest of your clever combo. > > -- > Jeff Alexander > Lead Designer, L5R CCG > Alderac Entertainment Group > > _______________________________________________ > L5r-ccg mailing list > L5r-ccg at alderac.com > http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com > > _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From duchon.philippe at free.fr Wed Nov 3 15:08:13 2004 From: duchon.philippe at free.fr (Philippe Duchon) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 21:08:13 +0100 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Fields of Phyrric Victory Message-ID: <20041103210813.0cc7eaa6.duchon.philippe@free.fr> On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 14:45:18 +0200 "vasilis milingos" wrote: > > In modern Greece we still use the expression "Pyrrios victory" for a > victory with many losses or for a victory that is only temporary !!! Actually, the expression is also used in French ("victoire a la Pyrrhus"), and in English ("Pyrrhic victory"). I wouldn't be surprised if it was the same in other languages/countries. -- Philippe Duchon -- duchon.philippe at free.fr Scorpion Clan Crypto-Geek _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From duchon.philippe at free.fr Wed Nov 3 15:10:22 2004 From: duchon.philippe at free.fr (Philippe Duchon) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 21:10:22 +0100 Subject: [L5R-CCG] off topic Phyrric Victory In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041103211022.7bb098e0.duchon.philippe@free.fr> On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 11:38:19 -0600 "Andrew Bloomgren" wrote: > > can we get this offtopic thread banned from the list? > It's about the name of a preview card, so it's clearly on topic. -- Philippe Duchon -- duchon.philippe at free.fr Scorpion Clan Crypto-Geek _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From diablo_5 at hotmail.com Wed Nov 3 15:15:32 2004 From: diablo_5 at hotmail.com (Andrew Laderoute) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:15:32 -0500 Subject: [L5R-CCG] [Perhaps Jeff ; )][Combo][Stupid bracket title]Combo of the day : Message-ID: >Okay. Koto won't move though. Units you control can't enter an army >unless you are its leader or a >confirmed ally of its leader. And that >pretty much ruins the rest of your clever combo. But the combo will work in Open when you replace Koto with Ninube Ogoku, right? Her trait overrules the general ruling, and it can work, correct? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Hida Ryushi 6F/6C 0HR/12G/2PH Crab Clan Hero*Iron Legion Samurai*Tactician*Yu 5*Experienced*Unique Tactical Battle: Ryushi gains a Force bonus equal to his Yu value. Reaction: After any Attack Phase, you may take one Action card that checked Ryushi's Yu value from your Discard pile into your hand. "After a thousand battles, one only sees death." ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From togashi.shin at free.fr Wed Nov 3 15:25:14 2004 From: togashi.shin at free.fr (Togashi Imura) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 21:25:14 +0100 Subject: [L5R-CCG] [Perhaps Jeff ; )][Combo][Stupid bracket title]Combo of the day : References: Message-ID: <016f01c4c1e3$3a1de070$468ae78a@imuradono> Yes this one will (I guess)... But this is not overpowered in an Open format game. I triedto make it in the diamond format, but all I got is Jeff mockery :(... I'm soo sad :D Togashi Imura ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Laderoute" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [L5R-CCG] [Perhaps Jeff ;)][Combo][Stupid bracket title]Combo of the day : > >Okay. Koto won't move though. Units you control can't enter an army > >unless you are its leader or a >confirmed ally of its leader. And that > >pretty much ruins the rest of your clever combo. > > But the combo will work in Open when you replace Koto with Ninube Ogoku, > right? Her trait overrules the general ruling, and it can work, correct? > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Hida Ryushi > 6F/6C > 0HR/12G/2PH > Crab Clan Hero*Iron Legion Samurai*Tactician*Yu 5*Experienced*Unique > Tactical Battle: Ryushi gains a Force bonus equal to his Yu value. > Reaction: After any Attack Phase, you may take one Action card that checked > Ryushi's Yu value from your Discard pile into your hand. > "After a thousand battles, one only sees death." > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > L5r-ccg mailing list > L5r-ccg at alderac.com > http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com > > _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From aelfwin at credifarma.net Wed Nov 3 15:37:45 2004 From: aelfwin at credifarma.net (Vladimir Orellana) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 14:37:45 -0600 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Dawn Design Questions In-Reply-To: References: <20041101192752.10669.qmail@web54102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <41894199.2050508@credifarma.net> Jeff Alexander wrote: >> >Why can't Mirumoto attach 2 weapons? > > > Because it wouldn't fit on the card and it's less important than his > other text. Attaching two weapons has always been more of a neat > story-related mechanic than a foundation of a game-winning deck. > >> >If the effects for Duelest aren't going to be public and in use >> (evidently) >> >>> until Lotus, why doesn't Kakita or Mirumoto have the Double Chi >>> trait or why >> >> >isn't Duelest considered Double Chi until the Lotus rules are in >> effect? > > > They don't have Double Chi because we don't want the Double Chi trait > in the Lotus environment. Printing them with Double Chi would mean > either reprinting them in Lotus Edition without it or changing how > Double Chi works then, which impacting the Open environment. We > didn't want to do either. > > We're not saying "Duelist works like Double Chi until Lotus" because > they're not interchangeable in strength. Duelist Personalities are > going to be more prevalent and less expensive than Double Chi people > are. Giving them DC would make them a little too strong. > Jeff, what happens with the current personalities that have DC, like the clan champions? are they going to be removed from the enviroment? _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From diablo_5 at hotmail.com Wed Nov 3 16:47:46 2004 From: diablo_5 at hotmail.com (Andrew Laderoute) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 16:47:46 -0500 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Dawn Design Questions Message-ID: Some of them might be removed, like Bayushi Sunetra. But others who still go on might just get a new form without Double Chi in LE, like Hida Kuon would if he is still slated to be champ in LE. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Hida Ryushi 6F/6C 0HR/12G/2PH Crab Clan Hero*Iron Legion Samurai*Tactician*Yu 5*Experienced*Unique Tactical Battle: Ryushi gains a Force bonus equal to his Yu value. Reaction: After any Attack Phase, you may take one Action card that checked Ryushi's Yu value from your Discard pile into your hand. "After a thousand battles, one only sees death." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From jalexander at alderac.com Wed Nov 3 17:15:22 2004 From: jalexander at alderac.com (Jeff Alexander) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 14:15:22 -0800 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Dawn Design Questions In-Reply-To: <41894199.2050508@credifarma.net> References: <20041101192752.10669.qmail@web54102.mail.yahoo.com> <41894199.2050508@credifarma.net> Message-ID: >Jeff, what happens with the current personalities that have DC, like >the clan champions? are they going to be removed from the enviroment? None of them currently have the Lotus bug. Those printings are already going to be removed unless we reprint them exactly as they are now, only with the Lotus symbol added. The chances of us doing that are very, very, low. -- Jeff Alexander Lead Designer, L5R CCG Alderac Entertainment Group _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From jacovis at yahoo.com Wed Nov 3 19:00:58 2004 From: jacovis at yahoo.com (Mr Jacob Cassens) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 16:00:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [L5R-CCG] Re: L5r-ccg Digest, Vol 17, Issue 7 Message-ID: <20041104000058.31131.qmail@web10805.mail.yahoo.com> David Starr wrote: WC: No. Your opponent has effectively taken out two of your guys. Feel free to wait the three or four days for Marty to answer though if you like. > Thanks in advance for your time > > Jacob C. No problem.. Sorry if I did not give you the answer you wanted. David Starr Whitecat31 GAB Vice-Admiral in the Golden Koku Team Thanks WC, we all saw the same thing you did, I just think that the cheese is a little too Muenster in this situation, so thought I'd check on it to see if maybe this was one they missed. Then again, with people like Paneki coming out, maybe we all ought to get out our trivet boards and buy some wine.. Jacob C UCPB ===== "Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss you'll land among the stars." -- Les Brown __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From Whitecat31 at aol.com Thu Nov 4 00:17:18 2004 From: Whitecat31 at aol.com (Whitecat31 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 00:17:18 EST Subject: [L5R-CCG] Re: L5r-ccg Digest, Vol 17, Issue 7 Message-ID: <15.36fd5bed.2ebb155e@aol.com> In a message dated 11/3/2004 4:03:53 PM Pacific Standard Time, jacovis at yahoo.com writes: > > David Starr wrote: > > WC: No. Your opponent has effectively taken out two > of your guys. > Feel free > to wait the three or four days for Marty to answer > though if you like. > > > > >Thanks in advance for your time > > > >Jacob C. > No problem.. Sorry if I did not give you the answer > you wanted. > David Starr > Whitecat31 GAB Vice-Admiral in the Golden Koku Team > > > Thanks WC, we all saw the same thing you did, I just > think that the cheese is a little too Muenster in this > situation, so thought I'd check on it to see if maybe > this was one they missed. Then again, with people > like Paneki coming out, maybe we all ought to get out > our trivet boards and buy some wine.. > > Jacob C > UCPB > Similar combos have been around with Ashura with overwhelmed or to do what we must. As for Paneki, I do think that Paneki is over the top for this enviroment, but I could be wrong.. Jelfo recently told us in an article, "Sets are being designed more efficiently and holistically than ever before and being play tested better" http://www.crabclan.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3815 David Starr Whitecat31 GAB Vice-Admiral in the Golden Koku Team I am thinking that some Scorpion players finally got up enough Koku to bribe somebody... just saying.. wink. _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From orihara at gmail.com Thu Nov 4 01:52:41 2004 From: orihara at gmail.com (Matthew Hui) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 00:52:41 -0600 Subject: [L5R-CCG] [rules] honor loss negate/modify In-Reply-To: <20041103160456.12995.qmail@web53410.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041103160456.12995.qmail@web53410.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 08:04:56 -0800 (PST), Michael Wilson wrote: > I'm having a busy day. > > If a card has an honor loss and it says that the honor > loss can't be modified or redirected, can it still be > negated? Negation is modifying the honor loss. -- Nations do not survive by setting examples for others. Nations survive by making examples of others. -Stuart Slade _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From vantor at compupress.gr Thu Nov 4 06:40:06 2004 From: vantor at compupress.gr (Vangelis Kratsas) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:40:06 +0200 Subject: [L5R-CCG] [RULES] Moved and sent Message-ID: When a card moves home from a Province, is it considered being "sent home" in all cases? Doji Vantori Honorable Student of Dirty Tricks _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From felix_bloodmoon at hotmail.com Thu Nov 4 13:55:37 2004 From: felix_bloodmoon at hotmail.com (Neal McClellan) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 18:55:37 +0000 Subject: [L5R-CCG] [RULES][Jeff]{Web} Bayushi Paneki Exp Message-ID: Concerning Bayushi Paneki Exp. and dueling. If I have him in play and Test of Might someone, and my opponent focuses a card with a focus value greater than or equal to the personality's Chi would I be able to react with Overconfidence since I the focus value is known when it is focused? Neal McClellan _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From awing10 at comcast.net Thu Nov 4 14:16:52 2004 From: awing10 at comcast.net (Matt) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 11:16:52 -0800 Subject: [L5R-CCG] [RULES][Jeff]{Web} Bayushi Paneki Exp References: Message-ID: <000c01c4c2a2$d7479660$6400a8c0@Doji> Can he use the ability to play another plays card. To focus a card from there hand? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal McClellan" To: Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 10:55 AM Subject: [L5R-CCG] [RULES][Jeff]{Web} Bayushi Paneki Exp > > Concerning Bayushi Paneki Exp. and dueling. > If I have him in play and Test of Might someone, and my opponent focuses a > card with a focus value greater than or equal to the personality's Chi > would I be able to react with Overconfidence since I the focus value is > known when it is focused? > > Neal McClellan > > _________________________________________________________________ > On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to > get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement > > > _______________________________________________ > L5r-ccg mailing list > L5r-ccg at alderac.com > http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From jalexander at alderac.com Thu Nov 4 15:05:14 2004 From: jalexander at alderac.com (Jeff Alexander) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:05:14 -0800 Subject: [L5R-CCG] [RULES][Jeff]{Web} Bayushi Paneki Exp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >Concerning Bayushi Paneki Exp. and dueling. >If I have him in play and Test of Might someone, and my opponent >focuses a card with a focus value greater than or equal to the >personality's Chi would I be able to react with Overconfidence since >I the focus value is known when it is focused? If a card is focused face-down, its Focus value is not public knowledge. It doesn't matter if you saw it half an hour or half a second ago. It's not known to you when you need to play Overconfidence. -- Jeff Alexander Lead Designer, L5R CCG Alderac Entertainment Group _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From patryn150 at sunflower.com Thu Nov 4 15:38:09 2004 From: patryn150 at sunflower.com (Alex Hawman) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 14:38:09 -0600 Subject: [L5R-CCG] [RULES][Jeff]{Web} Bayushi Paneki Exp In-Reply-To: ; from jalexander@alderac.com on Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:05:14 -0800 Message-ID: <200411042038.iA4Kc9D6017459@webmail.sunflower.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://h4x0r5.com/pipermail/l5rinfo/attachments/20041104/111f651e/attachment.diff From cloak72 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 4 15:53:10 2004 From: cloak72 at yahoo.com (Robert Van Natter) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:53:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [L5R-CCG] [RULES][Jeff]{Web} Bayushi Paneki Exp In-Reply-To: <200411042038.iA4Kc9D6017459@webmail.sunflower.com> Message-ID: <20041104205310.91335.qmail@web41824.mail.yahoo.com> Jeff's point is thought that the second it becomes face down, it is no longer public knowledge. The fact that you saw it a half second ago is irrelevant. And it will be face down by the time you have an opportunity to play Overconfidence. --- Alex Hawman wrote: > I think the point trying to be made here is that it > is public knowledge since the opponent is playing > with their hand face up. I can't see why it would > suddenly not become public knowledge, because you > see which card will be leaving their hand and going > face down. Granted, it will be face down at the > time overconfidence could be played, but that does > not change the fact that you know what the focus > value is. > > > > > Jeff Alexander wrote: > > > > >Concerning Bayushi Paneki Exp. and dueling. > >If I have him in play and Test of Might someone, > and my opponent > >focuses a card with a focus value greater than or > equal to the > >personality's Chi would I be able to react with > Overconfidence since > >I the focus value is known when it is focused? > > If a card is focused face-down, its Focus value is > not public > knowledge. It doesn't matter if you saw it half an > hour or half a > second ago. It's not known to you when you need to > play > Overconfidence. > > -- > Jeff Alexander > Lead Designer, L5R CCG > Alderac Entertainment Group > > _______________________________________________ > L5r-ccg mailing list > L5r-ccg at alderac.com > > http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com > > > > -- > -Alex Hawman- > > *Bayushi Haplo* > Tattooed - Shugenja - Bloodspeaker - Student of the > Dark Sword of Bitter Lies > > "There's no breath as sweet as the first you draw > when you realize you aren't dead!" > > http://www.nuklearpower.com/images/8bitportrait/joebm.gif > > _______________________________________________ > L5r-ccg mailing list > L5r-ccg at alderac.com > http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com > ===== Hiruma Ayslyn Crab Clan Professional Medler Scout Samurai Hero "We are all just Samurai brother, but when we stand together, we are the Crab" "Pain shared is pain divided; joy shared is joy multiplied" Everything I needed to know, I learned from drinking at Callahan's __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Name: not available Url: http://h4x0r5.com/pipermail/l5rinfo/attachments/20041104/b9c6e0e3/attachment.diff From Whitecat31 at aol.com Thu Nov 4 16:05:33 2004 From: Whitecat31 at aol.com (Whitecat31 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 16:05:33 EST Subject: [L5R-CCG] [RULES][Jeff]{Web} Bayushi Paneki Exp Message-ID: In a message dated 11/4/2004 12:08:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, jalexander at alderac.com writes: > > >Concerning Bayushi Paneki Exp. and dueling. > >If I have him in play and Test of Might someone, and my opponent > >focuses a card with a focus value greater than or equal to the > >personality's Chi would I be able to react with Overconfidence since > >I the focus value is known when it is focused? > > If a card is focused face-down, its Focus value is not public > knowledge. It doesn't matter if you saw it half an hour or half a > second ago. It's not known to you when you need to play > Overconfidence. > > -- > Jeff Alexander > Lead Designer, L5R CCG > Alderac Entertainment Group > Jeff, We can keep asking questions like this. We can ask, what if we and the world knows, that our opponent has all 4 focus cards in their hand and they are 1 chi. You will come up with the same answer. Your answer suggest something that is counterproductive to common sense logic, versus game mechanics logic. Because we will keep asking this question or similar question about overconfidence and duels of force, can we PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE just have an errata that says overconfidence can not be played during a duel. I would appreciate it. Others would appreciate it. Otherwise, we will keep asking questions like this and maybe even toss in the Blade of Truths again. Perhaps the Overconfidence card can have an MRP. "Can not be played during a duel." AGAIN.. PLEASE. Errata or MRP the card to say it can not be played during a duel. Also, what happened to being able to buy errata MRP cards for koku? I though t something like that was going to happen? David Starr Whitecat31 GAB Vice-Admiral in the Golden Koku Team _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From popejubal at yahoo.com Thu Nov 4 16:41:39 2004 From: popejubal at yahoo.com (Michael Wilson) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:41:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [L5R-CCG] [rules] bonus/penalty Message-ID: <20041104214139.70247.qmail@web53409.mail.yahoo.com> Any time the current number on a card changes from one value to a higher value, that number is receiving a "bonus" - unless the reason for the increase is that a penalty expired or an existing penalty or bonu changed. Likewise, if a number decreases, it's receiving a "penalty." No values in the game except Family Honor and Honor requirements can drop under 0. Rulebook, p.62 - Is this true of Focus Values as well? If I focus a 1, I get a bonus to the applicable stat. If I focus a 0, do I still get a bonus? (That is to say, is a bonus of 0