From whowhoamamii at hotmail.com Wed Sep 1 00:06:52 2004 From: whowhoamamii at hotmail.com (dustin howard) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 04:06:52 +0000 Subject: [L5R-CCG] [Rules] Experience and name changes Message-ID: >For an example of cards A, B, and C, think of Morito Tokei, Naka Tokei >(E1), and Naka Tokei (E2). For cards A, B and C', think Bayushi >Aramoro, Aramoro (E1), and Bayushi Aramoro (E2). I don't know of a >good example of card D, but it never hurts to ask :) > >And of course, in a few weeks I'll want to know whether Shosuro (E7) >can overlay a Ninja Shapeshifter. > In a related question: If I have Moto Chagatai, and I overlay with the Many Temple Master, can I later overlay this personality with Moto Chagatai xp2? Ide Okama _________________________________________________________________ Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From whowhoamamii at hotmail.com Wed Sep 1 00:11:30 2004 From: whowhoamamii at hotmail.com (dustin howard) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 04:11:30 +0000 Subject: [L5R-CCG] colleectable? (AEG) Message-ID: >From: Luftmorder at aol.com >In a message dated 8/31/04 4:33:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >passengerpigeon at mac.com writes: > > > No. Making a card legal decreases demand drastically and cuts value. > > > >How does making something useable DECREASE demand? I believe this was merely a typo. If you read the next sentence he refers to a nonlegal card returning to legal status. Original message: Quote No. Making a card legal decreases demand drastically and cuts value. Reprinting a card after it's become non-legal means that, as you kind of vaguely skimmed over, demand RETURNS /quote So it seems the original statement should have been "making a card nonlegal decreases demand drastically" then later "reprinting" a "non-legal" card returns demand. Ide Okama _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee? Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From passengerpigeon at mac.com Wed Sep 1 00:39:30 2004 From: passengerpigeon at mac.com (William Burke) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:39:30 -0700 Subject: [L5R-CCG] colleectable? (AEG) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tuesday, August 31, 2004, at 09:11 PM, dustin howard wrote: > So it seems the original statement should have been "making a card > nonlegal decreases demand drastically" then later "reprinting" a > "non-legal" card returns demand. Yes. I would've responded to the original message clarifying the typo, but for some reason I didn't receive it. Sorry. --p _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From neil_g_phillips at yahoo.com.au Wed Sep 1 00:44:38 2004 From: neil_g_phillips at yahoo.com.au (=?iso-8859-1?q?NEil=20Phillips?=) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:44:38 +1000 (EST) Subject: [L5R-CCG] ERRATA: Rend the Soul In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040901044438.58613.qmail@web52310.mail.yahoo.com> --- Jeff Alexander wrote: > A combination of not getting as many requests for > story-related Personalities from the Story Team and, > at least in the case of Hidden City, not winning > much. It's not an ironclad rule, but Clans that > need strengthening or a new theme are more likely > to get nonunique rares because a card that can go > three-per-deck offers much higher consistency. That's a bizzare argument. I'm not arguing that the Rares should be Unique. I'm arguing that the Non-Uniques should not be rare! Just print that same Personality that you were going to print at Rare, at Uncommon. Obviously you didn't hear the complaints form Crab players still trying to assemble sets of Hiruma Tatsuzo when Yasuki Namika was released, but I sure did locally. ===== NEil Phillips (neil_g_phillips at yahoo.com.au) "Reality be Damned, Innocent Lives are at Stake!" The opinions expressed above are not my own, but rather are those of Microsoft Corporation. _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From tkdyanni at ameritech.net Wed Sep 1 03:03:29 2004 From: tkdyanni at ameritech.net (jon) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 00:03:29 -0700 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Rules Q - Jeff/Marty Message-ID: <000e01c48ff1$c95ca9c0$fe60fea9@v2z1v1> I had a few question about items and their bonuses vs blackheart. Does a weapon have it's own force? (simular to followers that give + to a stat) archive: " A Follower providing "+X Force" has "X" Force of its own. Ie does a +4f item itself have 4 force? Since black heart says any opposing card, could a player target the scimitar to reduce it's force (and bonus) to 0? If the personality instead is targeted with blackheart and reduces the personality to 0f it also reduces the bonus from attached items to 0 as well correct? Ie my opponent targets my 4f personality with senpent scimitar attached +4f (personality 8f total) is the personality now at 0f or 4f? Alternately my 4f personality has a +2f ninja mentor attached (personality 6f total) the personality is targeted by black heart, are the personality *and* the mentor both at 0f? or does the ninja mentor remain unaffected? (leaving my personality with 2f) Jon _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From kaishu320 at hotmail.com Wed Sep 1 03:27:13 2004 From: kaishu320 at hotmail.com (albert fernandez) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 07:27:13 +0000 Subject: [L5R-CCG] =?iso-8859-1?q?Shi-Tien_Yen-Wang_Temple=92s_Reaction_?= =?iso-8859-1?q?=28RULES=29?= Message-ID: I have two scenarios involving Shi-Tien Yen-Wang Temple?s Reaction A) I have a Personality with 4C, no Retainers in play. My opponent has no Personalities. He want to play a Kolat Assassin. I use the Reaction of Shi-Tien Yen-Wang Temple and becames an ilegal target. What happens? A.1. Because is an ilegal action the Kolat Assassin remains in hand, no costs are produced neither paid. A.2. The Kolat Assassin is discarded, and 10G cost must be paid. A.3. The Kolat Assassin is discarded, but no Gold is involved. A.4. Other. Please, explain. B) I have a Personality with 4C and a Retainer in play. My opponent has no Personalities. He wants to play a Kolat Assassin. B.1. I may play the Reaction on Shi-Tien Yen-Wang Temple. My opponent must choose the Retainer as target. B.2. I may play the Reaction on Shi-Tien Yen-Wang Temple. Because the possible target was my Personality, the opponent must do the answer of the example A. B.3. I couldn?t play the Reaction on Shi-Tien Yen-Wang Temple, because I don?t know in advance if the Personality is the real future target of Kolat Assassin, or will be the Retainer. My opponent could target my Personality or the Retainer without problems. B.4. Other. Please, explain. _________________________________________________________________ Acepta el reto MSN Premium: Protecci?n para tus hijos en internet. Desc?rgalo y pru?balo 2 meses gratis. http://join.msn.com?XAPID=1697&DI=1055&HL=Footer_mailsenviados_proteccioninfantil _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From scruffyryan at hotmail.com Wed Sep 1 03:31:16 2004 From: scruffyryan at hotmail.com (Ryan Freire) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 00:31:16 -0700 Subject: [L5R-CCG] RE: L5r-ccg Digest, Vol 14, Issue 83 Message-ID: >Message: 4 >Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:23:53 -0400 >From: "Paul Grenier" >Subject: RE: [L5R-CCG] ERRATA: Rend the Soul >To: >Message-ID: >Keywords: L5R >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Virtual resellers who buy bulk cards and resell them on the Internet only >accomplish two things: the make themselves profit by taking away >potential sales from AEG and local AUTHORIZED resellers (i.e., your local >game shop). This ability to make certain cards available regardless >of geographical distribution anomolies or random variation only REDUCES >sales by the people who actually play the game--the people who will >continue to buy the cards even when it is no longer profitable for >a singles reseller. > >If this game is no longer stocked in your local game store because he >can't sell enough of the cards to make it worth stocking, THAT is what >will kill the game. I could give a flying flip about someone who doesn't >pay rent by the square foot going out of business 900 miles away. It >doesn't affect me, my play group, or AEG in any way. > >Singles resellers are market speculators. You can't speculate oil >prices or orange juice futures and cry foul when the market tanks, so >don't start it with the CCGs. ALL investments carry risk. If you can't >take the risks of your cards being worth only the cardboard they're >printed on, you need a reality check and some serious financial advise. > >Paul I actually have an interesting story about that. At the game shop i work and play at L5r was its golden child, right behind Games workshop products. It made the owner more money than Magic did. Because a competetor opened up a shop a block away the owner can no longer afford to STOCK this game, as the competitor buys in MASSIVE bulk, selling the majority of his product online, and then undercutting every other business in town on card prices in shop. I dont refer to a small discount either its something along the lines of a 33% discount, he doesnt have to worry about it as the massive percentage of his money comes from online sales at standard costs. That is the sort of thing that can kill a game in an area. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From dnaruta at swbell.net Wed Sep 1 03:33:47 2004 From: dnaruta at swbell.net (Togashi Naruta) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 02:33:47 -0500 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Lost cards at gencon. Reward offered. References: <20040823014647.8898.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <41357B5B.19B79732@swbell.net> In the chaos that is Gencon, I have lost a box of cards. Description: Stored in a 'Trading Grounds' box. Containing: A deck backed in Hitomi Dajan and the original Shrine of the Dragon Champion. Some other card sleeves and various Open and Diamond rares. (a more detailed list can be provided) Assorted commons and uncommons. Last Known Location: Midnight Madness. It may have been lost at another location, but that is the last time I know I used it. Reward: Cash or cards, depending on preference. If you have any information on this, please email me at togashi_naruta at yahoo.com If anyone can cross-post this to forums or other mailing lists, it would be appreciated. Thank you. Dan. (The biggest idiot at gencon) _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From Whitecat31 at aol.com Wed Sep 1 03:49:51 2004 From: Whitecat31 at aol.com (Whitecat31 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 03:49:51 EDT Subject: [L5R-CCG] ERRATA: Rend the Soul Message-ID: <90.4afe2b1e.2e66d91f@aol.com> In a message dated 8/31/2004 9:46:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, neil_g_phillips at yahoo.com.au writes: > --- Jeff Alexander wrote: > >A combination of not getting as many requests for > >story-related Personalities from the Story Team and, > > >at least in the case of Hidden City, not winning > >much. It's not an ironclad rule, but Clans that > >need strengthening or a new theme are more likely > >to get nonunique rares because a card that can go > >three-per-deck offers much higher consistency. > > That's a bizzare argument. > > I'm not arguing that the Rares should be Unique. I'm > arguing that the Non-Uniques should not be rare! Just > print that same Personality that you were going to > print at Rare, at Uncommon. > > > Obviously you didn't hear the complaints form Crab > players still trying to assemble sets of Hiruma > Tatsuzo when Yasuki Namika was released, but I sure > did locally. What I believe Jeff is eluding to, is frequently, non-unique rare personalities tend to be above the EXPECTED power level and have a higher consistency. In fact in general rares tend to be high on the power level. This is because it generates sales to have players buying boosters to get good cards that are in the rare slots. Now if they print those desired cards as uncommons, than sales won't be as good for the company. This means, players won't buy as many cards, and the game loses profits and possibly goes under. I would prefer the company make profits and stays afloat as opposed to the alternative. Now if your clan is happy having unique rares, far be it for me to complain. Whats your clan again? David Starr Whitecat31 GAB Vice-Admiral in the Golden Koku Team _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From Whitecat31 at aol.com Wed Sep 1 04:00:08 2004 From: Whitecat31 at aol.com (Whitecat31 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 04:00:08 EDT Subject: [L5R-CCG] Lost cards at gencon. Reward offered. Message-ID: <158.3e042416.2e66db88@aol.com> Dan, I wasn't at GENCON, but if you don't get your cards back, I am willing to donate about 15 Hitomi Dajan from the Dark Journey Home to help you restart your deck backing collection. I hate the guy and Like him at the same time. He is scum because he is a monk, and joins the Dragon clan. He is great because he is Dragon and won't Join the Brotherhood. (THE WAY IT SHOULD BE) Contact me in a couple of weeks, if nothing shows up. David Starr Whitecat31 GAB Vice-Admiral in the Golden Koku Team In a message dated 9/1/2004 12:33:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time, dnaruta at swbell.net writes: > > In the chaos that is Gencon, I have lost a box of cards. > > Description: > Stored in a 'Trading Grounds' box. > > Containing: > A deck backed in Hitomi Dajan and the original Shrine of the Dragon > Champion. > Some other card sleeves and various Open and Diamond rares. (a more > detailed list can be provided) > Assorted commons and uncommons. > > Last Known Location: > Midnight Madness. It may have been lost at another location, but that is > the last time I know I used it. > > Reward: > Cash or cards, depending on preference. > > If you have any information on this, please email me at > togashi_naruta at yahoo.com > > If anyone can cross-post this to forums or other mailing lists, it would > be appreciated. > > Thank you. > > Dan. (The biggest idiot at gencon) _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From tkdyanni at ameritech.net Wed Sep 1 07:21:51 2004 From: tkdyanni at ameritech.net (jon) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 04:21:51 -0700 Subject: [L5R-CCG] RE: L5r-ccg Digest, Vol 14, Issue 83 References: Message-ID: <001501c49015$e13e83a0$2e55fea9@v2z1v1> Well since he apparently threatens your very exsistence you shoudl run out and burn the competition's place to the ground late at night... err, if l5r was pulling such a huge draw at the store then how is it your store isn't moving stuff in large bulk? You can offer some sort of cut for customers off retail without damaging your profits too much. Also it sounds like the rival is most likely a no storefront business, therefore you should take advantage of fact that you have players and play space. If you want to move product set up draft events, or do booster pack buy in to cover entry fee's. If your distributor is overcharging, you can also cut costs by finding other distributors. None of my local stores are suffering too greatly from online competition, all of the player reconize that the store needs to profit to keep playspace open so while we buy a lot of stuff online we also make sure to always buy product from the store ensuring that they continue to carry it and support events for it. I use online companies to buy masive quantities upwards to a case each set, yet I always buy additional product from the store for each set as well, usually a box or more, pre-releases and booster buy ins for events help product move at a steady rate. If your player base is made aware that their ability to use playspace is affected by the store's income they will likely be much more willing to consider their card source a bit more carefully. Also store's can try to work out a deal with the players, suppose potomic or whoever offers a box at 75-80, there's no reason that a store couldn't offer to sell local players a box for 85-90 rather than full retail. Granted the mark up isn't nearly as big as if you choked retail out of the product, however it's still profit coming in that would otherwise go elsewhere. Most of the players I know that buy in bulk are more than willing to pay a bit extra $ if it goes to support the store, but paying full retail for multiple boxes is a waste of that player's money. Jon > I actually have an interesting story about that. At the game shop i work > and play at L5r was its golden child, right behind Games workshop products. > It made the owner more money than Magic did. Because a competetor opened > up a shop a block away the owner can no longer afford to STOCK this game, as > the competitor buys in MASSIVE bulk, selling the majority of his product > online, and then undercutting every other business in town on card prices in > shop. I dont refer to a small discount either its something along the lines > of a 33% discount, he doesnt have to worry about it as the massive > percentage of his money comes from online sales at standard costs. That is > the sort of thing that can kill a game in an area. _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From moosi at paradise.net.nz Wed Sep 1 06:59:29 2004 From: moosi at paradise.net.nz (Mark Williams) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 22:59:29 +1200 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Singles vs Sealed In-Reply-To: <0I3B00MLQX0SYP@linda-2.paradise.net.nz> References: <0I3B00MLQX0SYP@linda-2.paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20040901224648.01ba3518@pop3.paradise.net.nz> At 09:00 AM 9/1/2004 +1200, you wrote: >Virtual resellers who buy bulk cards and resell them on the Internet only >accomplish two things: the make themselves profit by taking away >potential sales from AEG and local AUTHORIZED resellers (i.e., your local >game shop). This ability to make certain cards available regardless >of geographical distribution anomolies or random variation only REDUCES >sales by the people who actually play the game--the people who will >continue to buy the cards even when it is no longer profitable for >a singles reseller. Sure, now what do I do, as a new player, to get any sets that are out of print, any promo cards from events not run locally, and any starters from sets where there is a "dud" SH? Do I open my own store, or buy online? What if your local shop is chicken and egging L5R, as no cards = no new players = no market for cards :D My local playgroup has plenty of promo card X (Sennin for example). I have about a dozen spare, and see players from other regions about once every 6 months. Since I have these promo cards that people want, have not been able to get, and are willing to pay for, I shouldn't sell them? IMHO the ability to make cards available despite geographical and regional distributions is a good thing. I may be biased, since the only way that ANY of the cards from Winds, Fall, KYD, and about two thirds of the DL promos, have made it into my playgroup is because I have bought the cards from virtual resellers. I've also bought the parts I can off AEG, but they don't have them in stock. Why? Because they have ALREADY sold all the sealed product. So I say those virtual resellers are a good thing, make AEG money, and smooth distribution bumps. _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From moosi at paradise.net.nz Wed Sep 1 07:14:45 2004 From: moosi at paradise.net.nz (Mark Williams) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 23:14:45 +1200 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Cards and playskill In-Reply-To: <0I3C00ETVGYUAL@linda-3.paradise.net.nz> References: <0I3C00ETVGYUAL@linda-3.paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20040901230907.01bb5420@pop3.paradise.net.nz> Surely most people who want to play at the higher levels can afford all the cards they need? I put together a Diamond playset for about $2000, with about $500 of that being credit from a dealer for non-tradable cards. Sounds a lot, but not much compared to owning a car, playing a sport using specialised equipment, or buying a high end gaming computer. I'm just surprised that there are ANY cards that are good enough to make a difference, and that people are unable to get for below the "market" rates for them. As for investment guides, grow your own weed. It's much cheaper :D At 04:11 PM 9/1/2004 +1200, you wrote: >My >guess is they are better players than most as well because they can get >the cards >they need to win _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From lyversj at bellsouth.net Wed Sep 1 09:30:06 2004 From: lyversj at bellsouth.net (James Lyvers) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 09:30:06 -0400 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Shi-Tien Yen-Wang Temple's Reaction (RULES) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I would say that because Shi-Tien Yen-Wang Temple [Gees what a mouthful ;)] is a reaction before targeting. The answers are thus Opponent must try to target another legal target. If none exists then the card goes back to his hand. He doesn't have to pay costs because the action never made it that far. So for A the answer is 1 assuming you have only the one personality in play. For B the answer is 1 also, again assuming you have no other paersonalities in play. Akodo James -----Original Message----- From: L5r-ccg-bounces at alderac.com [mailto:L5r-ccg-bounces at alderac.com]On Behalf Of albert fernandez Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 3:27 AM To: L5r-ccg at alderac.com Subject: [L5R-CCG] Shi-Tien Yen-Wang Temple?s Reaction (RULES) I have two scenarios involving Shi-Tien Yen-Wang Temple?s Reaction A) I have a Personality with 4C, no Retainers in play. My opponent has no Personalities. He want to play a Kolat Assassin. I use the Reaction of Shi-Tien Yen-Wang Temple and becames an ilegal target. What happens? A.1. Because is an ilegal action the Kolat Assassin remains in hand, no costs are produced neither paid. A.2. The Kolat Assassin is discarded, and 10G cost must be paid. A.3. The Kolat Assassin is discarded, but no Gold is involved. A.4. Other. Please, explain. B) I have a Personality with 4C and a Retainer in play. My opponent has no Personalities. He wants to play a Kolat Assassin. B.1. I may play the Reaction on Shi-Tien Yen-Wang Temple. My opponent must choose the Retainer as target. B.2. I may play the Reaction on Shi-Tien Yen-Wang Temple. Because the possible target was my Personality, the opponent must do the answer of the example A. B.3. I couldn?t play the Reaction on Shi-Tien Yen-Wang Temple, because I don?t know in advance if the Personality is the real future target of Kolat Assassin, or will be the Retainer. My opponent could target my Personality or the Retainer without problems. B.4. Other. Please, explain. _________________________________________________________________ Acepta el reto MSN Premium: Protecci?n para tus hijos en internet. Desc?rgalo y pru?balo 2 meses gratis. http://join.msn.com?XAPID=1697&DI=1055&HL=Footer_mailsenviados_proteccioninf antil _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From jkkotz at yahoo.com Wed Sep 1 11:45:03 2004 From: jkkotz at yahoo.com (James Kotz) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:45:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [L5R-CCG] ERRATA: Rend the Soul In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040901154503.89082.qmail@web21425.mail.yahoo.com> --- Jeff Alexander wrote: > > I'm pretty sure the next Crab they ask for will be > Unique... > > -- > Jeff Alexander > Lead Designer, L5R CCG > Alderac Entertainment Group I've heard some rumors about him... Hida GenCona or something like that? With a Reaction: Beat down anyone who offers "the deal of a lifetime, with an easy payment (of your soul) plan". __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From jkkotz at yahoo.com Wed Sep 1 11:53:30 2004 From: jkkotz at yahoo.com (James Kotz) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:53:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re=3A_=5BL5R-CCG=5D__=5BRULES=5D_Shi-Tien_Yen-Wan?= =?iso-8859-1?q?g_Temple=92s_Reaction?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040901155330.91186.qmail@web21427.mail.yahoo.com> --- albert fernandez wrote: > I have two scenarios involving Shi-Tien Yen-Wang > Temple?s Reaction Easy answer that will help a lot in the future: Once targets have been chosen, they can't be changed without another effect. So regardless of how many people and/or retainers you have, once the Kolat Assassin targets a personality, it can't change targets simply because the Chi of the peep has been raised above 4. Also, costs must be paid, even on cancelled actions, AFAIK. I don't remember if walking behind a tree while being targeted with a Ranged attack cancels the action or negates it's effects, but I'm sure Marty will give the non-intuitive answer on that one. _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From jkkotz at yahoo.com Wed Sep 1 12:17:23 2004 From: jkkotz at yahoo.com (James Kotz) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 09:17:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [L5R-CCG] Sensei and Rarity Message-ID: <20040901161723.81089.qmail@web21422.mail.yahoo.com> Something that has come up in my local group, and I wanted to check with a larger group: If you want one of the Clan-specific Sensei cards you have one, probably didn't have to trade for it, and can't trade away your extras, which you have quite a lot of. Especially for the extremely specific sensei cards like Setai and Tadaji, you aren't likely to ever want to have more than one deck that would find them useful, so at best, you want one for play and one for a binder. If you don't play that Faction, it's a wasted rare slot, as you can't trade the card away to anyone. If the above ends up being true on a list-wide level, can we have the Sensei cards be fixed for the faction they are playable for? Also, the Iuchiban and Gozoku sensei cards worked out pretty well rarity wise. I can see several different decks that would use them well, so having them as Uncommons meant that I got about as many copies as I plan on having decks for. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From yoritomoshomey at yahoo.com Wed Sep 1 12:21:34 2004 From: yoritomoshomey at yahoo.com (David Langford) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 09:21:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [L5R-CCG] Sensei and Rarity In-Reply-To: <20040901161723.81089.qmail@web21422.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040901162134.81914.qmail@web53910.mail.yahoo.com> I bought 1 box of Starters and 1 box of Boosters of WotE. I managed to get only 1 non-foil of each Rare sensei and duplicates of 3 in foil. What's the difference in getting any Rare that you won't play and might not be able to trade and getting a Sensei? My 2 koku, Dave --- James Kotz wrote: > Something that has come up in my local group, and I > wanted to check with a larger group: If you want > one > of the Clan-specific Sensei cards you have one, > probably didn't have to trade for it, and can't > trade > away your extras, which you have quite a lot of. > > Especially for the extremely specific sensei cards > like Setai and Tadaji, you aren't likely to ever > want > to have more than one deck that would find them > useful, so at best, you want one for play and one > for > a binder. If you don't play that Faction, it's a > wasted rare slot, as you can't trade the card away > to > anyone. > > If the above ends up being true on a list-wide > level, > can we have the Sensei cards be fixed for the > faction > they are playable for? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From jkkotz at yahoo.com Wed Sep 1 12:35:02 2004 From: jkkotz at yahoo.com (James Kotz) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 09:35:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [L5R-CCG] Sensei and Rarity In-Reply-To: <20040901162134.81914.qmail@web53910.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040901163502.84534.qmail@web21422.mail.yahoo.com> --- David Langford wrote: > I bought 1 box of Starters and 1 box of Boosters of > WotE. I managed to get only 1 non-foil of each Rare > sensei and duplicates of 3 in foil. > > What's the difference in getting any Rare that you > won't play and might not be able to trade and > getting a Sensei? My local group is about 2 dozen regulars, and another dozen irregulars. Usually *someone* wants any particular rare, even if just for a wierd deck, or cause they think it's cool (like Kaneka, Yajinden, Aikune, whoever). We are all sitting on extra sensei cards, and have no where to put them besides under our drinks. Not saying the sensei cards aren't useful, just that having so many copies, even as rares, is too many. YMMV, which is why I'm asking the list. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From azaroth at liverpool.ac.uk Wed Sep 1 12:33:52 2004 From: azaroth at liverpool.ac.uk (Robert Sanderson) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 17:33:52 +0100 (BST) Subject: [L5R-CCG] Sensei and Rarity In-Reply-To: <20040901163502.84534.qmail@web21422.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040901163502.84534.qmail@web21422.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Sep 2004, James Kotz wrote: > --- David Langford wrote: >> I bought 1 box of Starters and 1 box of Boosters of >> WotE. I managed to get only 1 non-foil of each Rare >> sensei and duplicates of 3 in foil. > My local group is about 2 dozen regulars, and another > dozen irregulars. Usually *someone* wants any > drinks. Not saying the sensei cards aren't useful, > just that having so many copies, even as rares, is too > many. YMMV, which is why I'm asking the list. We've found the same thing. If Sensei were only printed in foil, and hence only took up a foily slot, they would be about the right rarity (IMO) Or fixed in a starter, but outside of a base set, that seems hard to keep balanced with clans that don't have a starter in the expansion. And who wants to buy a scorpion starter just to get the dragon sensei for the set? Rob ,'/:. Dr Robert Sanderson (azaroth at liverpool.ac.uk) ,'-/::::. http://www.o-r-g.org/~azaroth/ ,'--/::(@)::. Special Collections and Archives, extension 3142 ,'---/::::::::::. University of Liverpool ____/:::::::::::::. L5R Shop: http://www.cardsnotwords.com/ I L L U M I N A T I _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From jkkotz at yahoo.com Wed Sep 1 12:55:54 2004 From: jkkotz at yahoo.com (James Kotz) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 09:55:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [L5R-CCG] Gozoku Sensei, Kakita Mai XP, and Dawn [Kristy] Message-ID: <20040901165554.1225.qmail@web21425.mail.yahoo.com> GS: Can I gain winds later from Doji Tanitsu or Doji Kurohito? KM: Can bowed people issue challenges through her action? Some people argued that you can, as the action is on her, and she isn't bowed, so it's legal. Dawn: How do I order it online? I couldn't find it in the online store, and the link in the description just goes to getting a membership, which I already have. [Kristy] What's my membership number? Can you bug whoever to print it on the magazine instead of the bad label, because I keep the mag, and the bag gets chewed up by the vortex of chaos that is my room. It is just a thin film of plastic after all, and can't really be expected to defend itself. I feel that this e-mail needs one more topic... oh yeah! Are there any more details for the SoCal Challenge Booth or is it just a free-for-all on the side? ===== James Kotz BH# 923 OP# 10204 Mirumoto Kentei Shoui to Mirumoto Kenzo Mikhail Sergeitova Tyomny of Sousdal Jason "Vertigo" Carter Banshee Net Skirmisher __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From kaioto at yahoo.com Wed Sep 1 13:11:52 2004 From: kaioto at yahoo.com (Martin Lund) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 10:11:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re=3A_=5BL5R-CCG=5D__=5BRULES=5D_Shi-Tien_Yen-Wan?= =?iso-8859-1?q?g_Temple=92s_Reaction?= In-Reply-To: <20040901155330.91186.qmail@web21427.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040901171152.92274.qmail@web54101.mail.yahoo.com> Comments Below: --- James Kotz wrote: > > I don't remember if walking behind a tree while being > targeted with a Ranged attack cancels the action or > negates it's effects, but I'm sure Marty will give > the non-intuitive answer on that one. [MARTY] You obviously are destroyed for exposing that poor, defenseless tree to harm, you planet-destroying capitalist swine! ;-) I'll get to a real answer to the real questions in the digest as soon as I can. :-) - Marty Lund Deputy Rules Monkey _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From tenbin at kamisasori.net Wed Sep 1 13:51:32 2004 From: tenbin at kamisasori.net (Soshi Tenbin) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 13:51:32 -0400 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Sensei and Rarity References: <20040901163502.84534.qmail@web21422.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001101c4904c$534ee490$e3828545@jeffxxhzz6lfhw> >> My local group is about 2 dozen regulars, and another >> dozen irregulars. Usually *someone* wants any >> drinks. Not saying the sensei cards aren't useful, >> just that having so many copies, even as rares, is too >> many. YMMV, which is why I'm asking the list. > > We've found the same thing. > > If Sensei were only printed in foil, and hence only took up a foily slot, > they would be about the right rarity (IMO) > > Or fixed in a starter, but outside of a base set, that seems hard to keep > balanced with clans that don't have a starter in the expansion. And who > wants to buy a scorpion starter just to get the dragon sensei for the set? I must say I was rather annoyed when, at our pre-release, BOTH the rares in my Scorpion deck were Jigoku Sensei. That bit... I can only imagine how many I'll end up with after I get my booster box. _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From lyversj at bellsouth.net Wed Sep 1 13:59:16 2004 From: lyversj at bellsouth.net (James Lyvers) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 13:59:16 -0400 Subject: [L5R-CCG] [RULES] Shi-Tien Yen-Wang Temple's Reaction In-Reply-To: <20040901155330.91186.qmail@web21427.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: You are forgetting that the reaction on Shi-Tien Yen Wang Temple happens "before another player's action targets one of your personalities ...". Which causes problems with the ruling that If an effect makes the announced target of an action illegal, the action has no effect. You do not pick a new target. [JA, 9 February 2001] Because the reaction is taken BEFORE targeting happens [card text], and the action is not being canceled thus the following does not apply. Although targeting occurs before costs are paid, if an action is canceled at the targeting step (e.g., Balance in Nothingness), all costs must still be paid. Variable costs may be chosen based on the knowledge that the action has been canceled. [JA, 15 May 2003, 18 December 2003] Why do we continue to have to target the personality that is illegal, since he was made illegal before we targeted him? The real question has more to do with the first ruling. Since we have made the target illegal before he was targeted dose this mean we still have to pay the cost of an action that will have no effect, or do we get to re-target since targeting hasn't [technically] happened yet, or does the action not finding any legal targets go back to where it came from? I would say if the behavior should be a kolat negator it should have been worded as a when not a before action. Akodo James -----Original Message----- From: L5r-ccg-bounces at alderac.com [mailto:L5r-ccg-bounces at alderac.com]On Behalf Of James Kotz Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 11:54 AM To: L5r-ccg at alderac.com Subject: Re: [L5R-CCG] [RULES] Shi-Tien Yen-Wang Temple?s Reaction --- albert fernandez wrote: > I have two scenarios involving Shi-Tien Yen-Wang > Temple?s Reaction Easy answer that will help a lot in the future: Once targets have been chosen, they can't be changed without another effect. So regardless of how many people and/or retainers you have, once the Kolat Assassin targets a personality, it can't change targets simply because the Chi of the peep has been raised above 4. Also, costs must be paid, even on cancelled actions, AFAIK. I don't remember if walking behind a tree while being targeted with a Ranged attack cancels the action or negates it's effects, but I'm sure Marty will give the non-intuitive answer on that one. _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From jalexander at alderac.com Wed Sep 1 15:08:43 2004 From: jalexander at alderac.com (Jeff Alexander) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 12:08:43 -0700 Subject: [L5R-CCG] [OFFICIAL] Watch List/Errata update Message-ID: Yoritomo Utemaro is being removed from the Watch List as of today. There are no other cards currently on the list. There is no new balance errata to any cards or Strongholds at this time. -- Jeff Alexander Lead Designer, L5R CCG Alderac Entertainment Group _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From duchon.philippe at free.fr Wed Sep 1 17:28:42 2004 From: duchon.philippe at free.fr (Philippe Duchon) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 23:28:42 +0200 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Sensei and Rarity In-Reply-To: References: <20040901163502.84534.qmail@web21422.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040901232842.1dd7e15c.duchon.philippe@free.fr> On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 17:33:52 +0100 (BST) Robert Sanderson wrote: > If Sensei were only printed in foil, and hence only took up a foily > slot, they would be about the right rarity (IMO) > Of course, that would require setting up a foil sheet that was different from the rare sheet, which obviously would increase costs, and create more opportunities for errors (like, the rare sheet would be printed with the "correct" cards, but the foil sheet would be printed with the "almost correct, just a minor typo correction missing" cards - and bang, you get two different wordings on a card). Plus, that would make these "ultra-rares", as in, one in about 6 displays. For the "casual collector", these would be a nightmare. -- Philippe Duchon -- duchon.philippe at free.fr Scorpion Clan Crypto-Geek _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From duchon.philippe at free.fr Wed Sep 1 18:52:19 2004 From: duchon.philippe at free.fr (Philippe Duchon) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 00:52:19 +0200 Subject: [L5R-CCG] [Rules] Unintentional illegal play Message-ID: <20040902005219.7ae9c9eb.duchon.philippe@free.fr> I realize this is more a tournament question than a purely "rules of the game" one, but still... I know one cannot announce an illegal action when they have no way of making it legal, but what if one does that by mistake - say, I announce I want to play this Kiho, but forgot it was a Shugenja-only Kiho and have only a Monk. Can the opponent force me to discard the card, or does it have to go back to my hand? -- Philippe Duchon -- duchon.philippe at free.fr Scorpion Clan Crypto-Geek _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From axl_2baz at hotmail.com Thu Sep 2 03:15:11 2004 From: axl_2baz at hotmail.com (David MENIERE) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 09:15:11 +0200 Subject: [L5R-CCG] [Rules] Temple of Snakes and other stuff Message-ID: Hi, I have some questions to ask: 1) in the accumulated rulings, under the entering play part, there's this sentence : "Any single card or action that brings a card into play and gives it the Shadowlands trait is considered to be "bringing a Shadowlands card into play" regardless of the exact relative timing of the two effects". Can it be applied to the bloodspeaker trait with Temple of Snakes ? If yes, does it give the cost reduction with Iuchiban sensei ? 2)I have a dishonored personnality, I attach her an honor gaining item (blessed sword, imperial standard or celestial). What happened ? a) my personnality is rehonored. b) I gain the honor for the item. Thanks in advance. ++ Axl_2baz PS : sorry for my english if there are mistakes, I'm just a poor french player ;) _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail : bient?t 250 Mo de stockage ! http://www.imagine-msn.com/hotmail/fr-fr/ _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From togashi.shin at free.fr Thu Sep 2 04:25:51 2004 From: togashi.shin at free.fr (Togashi Imura) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 10:25:51 +0200 Subject: [L5R-CCG] [Rules] Temple of Snakes and other stuff References: Message-ID: <007501c490c6$9c43f440$0300a8c0@Nonoportable> Whaouh David, third time you ask this one. I'd say Marty was not very careful ^_^. Hey Marty, answer it this time. Please, please, please, please, please. Togashi Imura ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "David MENIERE" To: Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 9:15 AM Subject: [L5R-CCG] [Rules] Temple of Snakes and other stuff > Hi, I have some questions to ask: > > 1) in the accumulated rulings, under the entering play part, there's this > sentence : > "Any single card or action that brings a card into play and gives it the > Shadowlands trait is considered to be "bringing a Shadowlands card into > play" regardless of the exact relative timing of the two effects". > > Can it be applied to the bloodspeaker trait with Temple of Snakes ? > If yes, does it give the cost reduction with Iuchiban sensei ? > > > 2)I have a dishonored personnality, I attach her an honor gaining item > (blessed sword, imperial standard or celestial). What happened ? > a) my personnality is rehonored. > b) I gain the honor for the item. > > Thanks in advance. > > > > ++ > > Axl_2baz > > > PS : sorry for my english if there are mistakes, I'm just a poor french > player ;) > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail : bient?t 250 Mo de stockage ! > http://www.imagine-msn.com/hotmail/fr-fr/ > > > _______________________________________________ > L5r-ccg mailing list > L5r-ccg at alderac.com > http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com > > _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From Daniel.Stagman at Ticketmaster.com Thu Sep 2 06:37:35 2004 From: Daniel.Stagman at Ticketmaster.com (Daniel Stagman (St. Louis)) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 03:37:35 -0700 Subject: [L5R-CCG] L5r in greece again Message-ID: <86224193B841EA49B71149F74043CE3F013F896D@chimail2.midwest.ticketmaster.com> I asked this before, but I lost the response. Where can I either play or buy some l5r while I am in Athens? Preferably some place near a metro stop (doesn't matter which line). If not, then I will need the address to take a taxi. Thanks! Daniel Stagman Client Service Representative Ticketmaster - St. Louis 341-231-4445 _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From GojuKaze at wanadoo.fr Thu Sep 2 06:40:01 2004 From: GojuKaze at wanadoo.fr (Goju Kaze) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 12:40:01 +0200 Subject: [L5R-CCG] L5r in greece again References: <86224193B841EA49B71149F74043CE3F013F896D@chimail2.midwest.ticketmaster.com> Message-ID: <001c01c490d9$36359240$0a321d0a@marmotte> My best advice is to look at www.l5r.gr and ask there. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Stagman (St. Louis)" To: Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 12:37 PM Subject: [L5R-CCG] L5r in greece again > I asked this before, but I lost the response. > > Where can I either play or buy some l5r while I am in Athens? > > Preferably some place near a metro stop (doesn't matter which line). If not, > then I will need the address to take a taxi. > > Thanks! > > Daniel Stagman > Client Service Representative > Ticketmaster - St. Louis > 341-231-4445 > > _______________________________________________ > L5r-ccg mailing list > L5r-ccg at alderac.com > http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From loki_lamesang at hotmail.com Thu Sep 2 08:04:39 2004 From: loki_lamesang at hotmail.com (Loki) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 14:04:39 +0200 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Question about Pick your Battles/Sound Strategy Message-ID: Hi ! I have a question about Sound Strategy : can I retrieve a Pick your Battles with it ? Sound Strategy says "This cannot retrieve a card played after the end or resolution of a battle", and Pick is played before your army is destroyed, during the resolution of the battle. Thanks for your help. Loki _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From ajb818s at hotmail.com Thu Sep 2 09:32:42 2004 From: ajb818s at hotmail.com (Andrew Bloomgren) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 08:32:42 -0500 Subject: [L5R-CCG] [RULES] Shi-Tien Yen-Wang Temple Message-ID: isn't the condition "before another player's action targets one of your Personalities" pretty much always occuring? if my opponent targets one of my personalities ten turns from now, now is "before" that. _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From jsarment at chipidea.com Thu Sep 2 10:24:51 2004 From: jsarment at chipidea.com (Jose Angelo Sarmento) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 15:24:51 +0100 Subject: [L5R-CCG] [RULES] Shi-Tien Yen-Wang Temple In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41372D33.5010206@chipidea.com> You have to read "before" as "just before". The expression is there for timing purposes. Andrew Bloomgren wrote: > isn't the condition "before another player's action targets one of > your Personalities" pretty much always occuring? > > if my opponent targets one of my personalities ten turns from now, now > is "before" that. > > _________________________________________________________________ > On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how > to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement > > > _______________________________________________ > L5r-ccg mailing list > L5r-ccg at alderac.com > http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com > _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From Whitecat31 at aol.com Thu Sep 2 14:35:47 2004 From: Whitecat31 at aol.com (Whitecat31 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 14:35:47 -0400 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Ancestor Combos Message-ID: <1A44AF11.6371AD5E.0D2B82C1@aol.com> I have noticed a lack of Ancestor support in L5R lately and in the winning deck list. For a game that is PARTLY about respecting your ancestors, you would think some ancestors would sneak in to some of these winning decks. In fact if you noticed Wrath of the Emperor closely, you would have saw NO ancestors. Perhaps in the future it could be a fixed card in a starter, so at least they get played in prereleases. Anyway, So I give you one combo and I hope others do as well. This one is for the Scorpion clan. Scorpion Clan Ancestor from Heaven and Earth. Goshiu no Shiryo Political Limited: Bow this Personality, who may then remain bowed, to target another Personality. Until Goshiu's Personality straightens or leaves play, the other Personality causes his or her controller to lose 2 Honor each time the Personality bows. Gozoku Sensei You may not play this card if you have a Wind. Political Open: Discard the Favor to bow a Personality. He may not straighten until after you discard the Favor again or his controller pays 6 Gold as an Open action. Political Reaction: Once per turn, before any player gains or loses Honor, bow your Stronghold or one of your Courtiers to reduce the loss or gain by 2 So basically.. Use your personality with the ancestor attached to target somebody. Use the sensei and the ability of the new Scorpion stronghold to Bow that guy. Automatic 2 honor loss. If you are using Nagoris in your deck, it can even get more brutal. David Starr Whitecat31 GAB Vice-Admiral in the Golden Koku Team _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From procchi at sympatico.ca Thu Sep 2 14:40:12 2004 From: procchi at sympatico.ca (The Rocchi Family) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 14:40:12 -0400 Subject: [L5R-CCG] A timing question Message-ID: <20040902184012.VLWR14661.tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@mxmta.bellnexxia.net> An interesting case came up in a game last night. First - Field of Glorious Slaughter - does the extra experience for cards destoryed at the battle include cards destoryed at resolution - which is how I've had it played upon me - or only for cards destoryed before resolution, and if the first case is true, is this honor gain part of, or in addition to, the honor gain for destroying the card at resolution. The reason the specifics of before resolution or before AND during resolution and additional or included come when it's played in conjunction with "Crush the Unworthy" - which gives no honor for destroying the cards in the bowed unit during resolution If Field is only before Resolution, then the Crush doesn't matter - but then this invalidates the "Mantis Honor Bomb" that I've seen some people - including crane decks use. (Ambush a bowed personality, use follower tokens from Utemaro to increase number of 'cards' in unit, play Field of Glorious Slaughter', resolve battle and gain much honor - less 4 for Ambush.) If Field includes cards destroyed at resolution, then the matter of it being in a increase in, or a separate honor gain from, the honor gained from destorying the card. If it is separate, then one could do a 'Crush the Unworthy - Field of Glorious Slaughter combo" and if gain honor in a battle for cards bowed with Crush - whereas if it was an increase, no honor would be gained for those cards.. -------------- next part -------------- Today's Topics: 1. L5r in greece again (Daniel Stagman (St. Louis)) 2. Re: L5r in greece again (Goju Kaze) 3. Question about Pick your Battles/Sound Strategy (Loki) 4. [RULES] Shi-Tien Yen-Wang Temple (Andrew Bloomgren) 5. Re: [RULES] Shi-Tien Yen-Wang Temple (Jose Angelo Sarmento) -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From yoritomoshomey at yahoo.com Thu Sep 2 14:44:50 2004 From: yoritomoshomey at yahoo.com (David Langford) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 11:44:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [L5R-CCG] Ancestor Combos In-Reply-To: <1A44AF11.6371AD5E.0D2B82C1@aol.com> Message-ID: <20040902184450.80989.qmail@web53904.mail.yahoo.com> --- Whitecat31 at aol.com wrote: > I have noticed a lack of Ancestor support in L5R > lately and in the winning deck list. For a game > that is PARTLY about respecting your ancestors, you > would think some ancestors would sneak in to some of > these winning decks. In fact if you noticed Wrath > of the Emperor closely, you would have saw NO > ancestors. I thought they were doing away with the ancestors (as cards), thus the lack of them in WotE. Toodles, ===== David "Yoritomo Ni" Langford Acolyte of Pain Clan War Vigilante Daimyo of Indianapolis 2003 Jade Tree Champion Owner ClanWar-YA Team BasementCon Web Master http://www.geocities.com/basementcon "I have stood here before in the pouring rain With the world turning circles running round my brain I guess I always thought you could end this reign But it's my destiny to be the king of pain" - Police "If I am a hero, it is only because my enemies are more evil than I" - Daidoji Uji __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From tregboss at yahoo.com Thu Sep 2 14:58:12 2004 From: tregboss at yahoo.com (steven whol) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 11:58:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [L5R-CCG] A timing question In-Reply-To: <20040902184012.VLWR14661.tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@mxmta.bellnexxia.net> Message-ID: <20040902185812.25071.qmail@web52609.mail.yahoo.com> Yes, the honor bomb works. _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From duchon.philippe at free.fr Thu Sep 2 15:00:07 2004 From: duchon.philippe at free.fr (Philippe Duchon) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:00:07 +0200 Subject: [L5R-CCG] A timing question In-Reply-To: <20040902184012.VLWR14661.tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@mxmta.bellnexxia.net> References: <20040902184012.VLWR14661.tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@mxmta.bellnexxia.net> Message-ID: <20040902210007.18421a57.duchon.philippe@free.fr> On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 14:40:12 -0400 The Rocchi Family wrote: > An interesting case came up in a game last night. > > First - Field of Glorious Slaughter - does the extra experience for > cards destoryed at the battle include cards destoryed at resolution - > which is how I've had it played upon me - or only for cards destoryed > before resolution, and if the first case is true, is this honor gain > part of, or in addition to, the honor gain for destroying the card at > resolution. Field of Glorious Slaughter is an Immediate Terrain, which means that, from the point it is played until the end of Battle Resolution (when terrains are destroyed), it does its trick, unless it is destroyed itself. -- Philippe Duchon -- duchon.philippe at free.fr Scorpion Clan Crypto-Geek _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From aelfwin at credifarma.net Thu Sep 2 15:15:39 2004 From: aelfwin at credifarma.net (Vladimir Orellana) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 13:15:39 -0600 Subject: [L5R-CCG] What does Perform mean [Rules] Message-ID: <4137715B.2030004@credifarma.net> What does the definition of a Personality Performing an Action? He is involved to pay the cost? He is targeted by the action? The effects of the action affect the personality? A personality attaching the imperial standard is performing a political action? A Personality moving with the Right hand of the emperor? A personality bowed for scorpion distractor? A Personality bowed to pay the cost of Kyuden Bayushi? A personality that is bowinf to ask for the imperial favor? _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From tenbin at kamisasori.net Thu Sep 2 15:24:58 2004 From: tenbin at kamisasori.net (Soshi Tenbin) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 15:24:58 -0400 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Ancestor Combos References: <1A44AF11.6371AD5E.0D2B82C1@aol.com> Message-ID: <002901c49122$8b4ea840$e3828545@jeffxxhzz6lfhw> > I have noticed a lack of Ancestor support in L5R lately and in the winning > deck list. For a game that is PARTLY about respecting your ancestors, you > would think some ancestors would sneak in to some of these winning decks. > In fact if you noticed Wrath of the Emperor closely, you would have saw NO > ancestors. Perhaps in the future it could be a fixed card in a starter, so > at least they get played in prereleases. > Anyway, > So I give you one combo and I hope others do as well. > This one is for the Scorpion clan. > Scorpion Clan Ancestor from Heaven and Earth. > Goshiu no Shiryo > Political Limited: Bow this Personality, who may then remain bowed, to > target another Personality. Until Goshiu's Personality straightens or > leaves play, the other Personality causes his or her controller to lose 2 > Honor each time the Personality bows. > > Gozoku Sensei > You may not play this card if you have a Wind. Political Open: Discard the > Favor to bow a Personality. He may not straighten until after you discard > the Favor again or his controller pays 6 Gold as an Open action. Political > Reaction: Once per turn, before any player gains or loses Honor, bow your > Stronghold or one of your Courtiers to reduce the loss or gain by 2 > > So basically.. Use your personality with the ancestor attached to target > somebody. Use the sensei and the ability of the new Scorpion stronghold to > Bow that guy. > Automatic 2 honor loss. If you are using Nagoris in your deck, it can > even get more brutal. Actually, this has been going on a while, in some decks. Has the same problem most Ancestors do, in that the combo is based on a Unique, but I know I've used it as dishonor backup, and quite effectively. Diplomatic Apprentices can make the hit huge (8+ honor loss per bow is not uncommon), and we already had other ways to bow (Maru, Shintaro, Bonds, evil Tokei, etc). Gozoku Sensei does give another (and reliable) means to target a bow, but it certainly doesn't add anything new to the mix. Soshi Tenbin Scorpion Clan Courtier. Shugenja. _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From moebliss at gci.net Thu Sep 2 15:55:38 2004 From: moebliss at gci.net (R & H Moeller) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 11:55:38 -0800 Subject: [L5R-CCG] rules questions Message-ID: <001801c49126$d1e29a10$8101a8c0@moeller1> If you are attacking with two units and your opponent plays overwhelmed, if you cancel the send home on the first unit will the second unit stay as well? can you play reactions at a battle where you have no presence? Thanks Rick Moeller capt team ak _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From passengerpigeon at mac.com Thu Sep 2 16:24:47 2004 From: passengerpigeon at mac.com (William Burke) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 13:24:47 -0700 Subject: [L5R-CCG] What does Perform mean [Rules] In-Reply-To: <4137715B.2030004@credifarma.net> Message-ID: <22A0DECA-FD1E-11D8-8E7A-003065A79056@mac.com> On Thursday, September 2, 2004, at 12:15 PM, Vladimir Orellana wrote: > What does the definition of a Personality Performing an Action? Diamond rulebook, page 71: 1. Actions on a Personality or Follower are performed by that card. 2. Actions on an Item, Spell or Ancestor are performed by its Personality. 3. Actions which involve one or more Personalities or Followers in their cost, such as requiring them to bow or become dishonored, or which require targeting one or more of your Personalities or Followers who meet certain conditions, such as being a Shugenja or a Tactician or having a Chi above 2, are performed by those cards. 4. Actions which issue a challenge from one of their own Personalities are performed by the challenger. 5. All other actions are performed only by their player. --p _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From popejubal at yahoo.com Thu Sep 2 16:35:17 2004 From: popejubal at yahoo.com (Michael Wilson) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 13:35:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [L5R-CCG] [Rules] Ancient Battlefield Message-ID: <20040902203517.97945.qmail@web40407.mail.yahoo.com> Can Ancient Battlefield be played without presence? I believe that it can because it is an action that brings a personality into the battle, but I thought I'd ask to be sure. Also, I really like the phrasing on that card. It explicitly allows you to target a card that is not in play and I appreciate the change in wording from Katsu and his friends. Pope Jubal Jubal no Oni Dark Oracle of Jell-O --- _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From kaioto at yahoo.com Thu Sep 2 15:05:52 2004 From: kaioto at yahoo.com (Martin Lund) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 12:05:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [L5R-CCG] Rules for 28 August 2004 Message-ID: <20040902190552.18512.qmail@web54105.mail.yahoo.com> Your Rules for Saturday, August 28, 2004 * * * * * * * * * * From:? "Pascal Ludwig" Date:? Sat?Aug?28,?2004? 2:23 am Subject:? [RULES] [L5R-CCG] Copying once per game Actions? > You have already used Barei's Limited Action this game. You copy his ability > with Water Dragon. > Are you now able to use the ability again or is "once per game" prohibiting > the Water Dragon from using the copied Ability? [MARTY] No. Each occurrence of the ability is unique unto itself, and may be used once. If the Dragon copies that ability, the newly minted ability-clone on the Water Dragon has not used yet. Heck, the Water Dragon makes a new ability for itself every time you use its Reaction. You can use a new copy of Barei's ability via the Water Dragon ever turn. "Can repeatedly copy an ability that is usable only once per game, because at the end of the turn it forgets that it's used it. [Extension from Ninja Shapeshifter]" (Accumulated Rulings, "Water Dragon") * * * * * * * * * * From:? "James Lyvers" Date:? Sat?Aug?28,?2004? 9:49 pm Subject:? [L5R-CCG][RULES] Master of Five/Naka Tokei(xp2) > Just wondering how the interaction works. When I looked up Mo5 I saw that > there was errata to the card and to me it appeared to not change it at all, > so I was wondering what that errata was intended to do and if it interacted > at all with Naka Tokei(xp2) being able to perform one action that satisfies > Mo5s win condition? Yes. Naka Tokei (xp2) wins Master of Five. He's that good. * * * * * * * * * * That's everything not Dawn-related that I see for the 28th. If I missed your question, please repost it with the flag [RULES] as part of your clear and distinct Subject Line. Thank you, - Marty Lund Deputy Rules Monkey _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From aelfwin at credifarma.net Thu Sep 2 17:07:52 2004 From: aelfwin at credifarma.net (Vladimir Orellana) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 15:07:52 -0600 Subject: [L5R-CCG] What does Perform mean [Rules] In-Reply-To: <22A0DECA-FD1E-11D8-8E7A-003065A79056@mac.com> References: <22A0DECA-FD1E-11D8-8E7A-003065A79056@mac.com> Message-ID: <41378BA8.4040902@credifarma.net> William Burke wrote: > > On Thursday, September 2, 2004, at 12:15 PM, Vladimir Orellana wrote: > >> What does the definition of a Personality Performing an Action? > > > Diamond rulebook, page 71: > 1. Actions on a Personality or Follower are performed by that card. > 2. Actions on an Item, Spell or Ancestor are performed by its > Personality. > 3. Actions which involve one or more Personalities or Followers in > their cost, such as requiring them to bow or become dishonored, or > which require targeting one or more of your Personalities or Followers > who meet certain conditions, such as being a Shugenja or a Tactician > or having a Chi above 2, are performed by those cards. > 4. Actions which issue a challenge from one of their own > Personalities are performed by the challenger. > 5. All other actions are performed only by their player. So something like discarding the imperial favor to move a unit, is not performed by that unit. But something that says "do X" to move a courtier into this battle is performed by that unit? Or the political action in the old "pre mrp" imperial standard was performed by the unit, but the action on the new imperial standard is performed by the player? > > --p > > > _______________________________________________ > L5r-ccg mailing list > L5r-ccg at alderac.com > http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com > _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From kaioto at yahoo.com Thu Sep 2 15:38:56 2004 From: kaioto at yahoo.com (Martin Lund) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 12:38:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [L5R-CCG] Rules for 29 August 2004 Message-ID: <20040902193856.63311.qmail@web54107.mail.yahoo.com> Your Rules for Sunday, August 29, 2004 * * * * * * * * * * From:? "Sascha Meyer" Date:? Sun?Aug?29,?2004? 2:04 pm Subject:? [L5R-CCG] [Rules] Hida Ishi + Gozoku > May Hida Ishi be targeted with Gozoku Sensei? > Thus making him unable tu unbow? "Ishi may not be bowed by other players' card effects." You can target him with Gozoku Sensei. It won't bow him. It will put a 6-gold Price on him straightening ever again until you next use the Favor (or a Favor substitute). * * * * * * * * * * From:? "Andrew Laderoute" Date:? Sun?Aug?29,?2004? 3:08 pm Subject:? [L5R-CCG] [RULES] LAD + BC > Say I Sneak Attack, play Lotus at Dusk, then Brutal Confrontation. Does > Lotus at Dusk prevent me from using the trait on Brutal Confrontation to > take a free action on Brutal Confrontation, or can I use an action on Brutal > Confrontation for free and follow up with the second action with Lotus at > Dusk? Brutal Confrontation doesn't have any such trait. It has one ability, "Battle: All players may take the following actions for the rest of the battle. You may take one such action immediately if your army has at least two units ..." That's all part of the Action. It is an additional Action from an Action, something that Lotus at Dusk specifically prevents. Playing Brutal Confrontation under Lotus at Dusk can't yield you an extra Action from Brutal Confrontation. * * * * * * * * * * From:? Martin Lund Date:? Sun?Aug?29,?2004? 9:25 pm Subject:? Re: [L5R-CCG] [Rules] Stand or Run versus Right Hand movement negation It is indeed on the Wrath of the Emperor Rules Sheet as well. No issue here. Move along. - Marty Lund Deputy Rules Monkey --- Robert Norris wrote: > On Sun, Aug 29, 2004 at 07:17:11PM -0400, > Whitecat31 at a... wrote: > > How about change it to > > Page 72, paragraph 2 of the Diamond Edition > rulebook should read in part, "If > > a card is 'sent home bowed' and the movement is > prevented or canceled, do not > > bow the card," not, "do not move the card." > > This is written on (at least) the HC rulesheet: > > Canceling Actions and Negating Effects [p. 72] > > The exception should read, "if a card is 'sent > home bowed' and the > movement is prevented or negated, do not _bow_ the > card". > > It might be on the RoB rulesheet too; I don't have > one here to check > (the HC rulesheet is on the website). > > -- > Robert Norris * * * * * * * * * * From:? CodyPayne21 at a... Date:? Sun?Aug?29,?2004? 4:32 pm Subject:? [L5R-CCG] Keeper of Earth Question > Keep of Earth says search your fate deck for a Ring of Earth, does that mean > you can only go for Ring of Earth or can you also go for Dark Ring of Earth? Both Ring of Earth and Dark Ring of Earth count as "Ring of Earth" cards, as per the Keyword Rule. The answer to, "Are you a Ring of Earth?" when posed to both of these cards is "yes." * * * * * * * * * * From:? "Christopher Castro" Date:? Sun?Aug?29,?2004? 10:58 pm Subject:? [L5R-CCG] RULES/LEGALITY: Kan'ok'tichek > Question: I have a DE Kan'ok'tichek Exp, but also the original > Kan'ok'tichek (and T'chikchuks but I know they're too old). However, it > seems Kan'ok'tichek (non-EXP) is only Gold legal. How is it that only > the exp version of him is legal? Or is there an exception here? Nothing about having the "Experienced X" Trait on a card makes any of the other Experience Levels of that card legal in the Diamond Environment. There are tons of Personalities with Experienced versions in Diamond that do not have their lesser-experienced versions bugged for Diamond - see also Doji Kurohito, Bayushi Sunetra, Matsu Nimuro, Hida Kuon, etc. If the Most Recent English Printed Version of - That Card - (not another card with the same name and a different Experienced Level) has the Diamond Bug, then the card is Diamond Legal. Otherwise, the card is not. Kan'ok'tichek XP is legal in Diamond. Kan'ok'tichek nonexp is not. > Also, since I'm still getting into the newer cards, is there a card > comparable to Superior Tactics? Why'd they take it out? Deploy Scouts is the closest is terms of emulating both abilities. Running Engagement is probably the closest in pure movement. Control the Field is the closest in terms of 3-chi Terrain destruction. > I can see replacements for Rallying Cry (Spearhead) and Counterattack > (Retribution), but there seems to be no substitute for Sup Tac. Any > input? There are no real replacements for any of those cards. Rallying Cry let you attack with any size of Army with no cost to your ability to defend due to bowing. Spearhead doesn't come close. Counterattack let you smash your entire army into the face of anyone foolish enough to attack you. Retribution doesn't come close. They were all removed because their effects were too powerful and environmentally deforming, near as I can tell. Similar concepts, but it is kind of like comparing an apple to an apple tree. * * * * * * * * * * That's everything not Dawn-related that I see for the 29th. If I missed your question, please repost it with the flag [RULES] as part of your clear and distinct Subject Line. Thank you, - Marty Lund Deputy Rules Monkey _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From lyversj at bellsouth.net Thu Sep 2 17:41:43 2004 From: lyversj at bellsouth.net (James Lyvers) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 17:41:43 -0400 Subject: [L5R-CCG] rules questions In-Reply-To: <001801c49126$d1e29a10$8101a8c0@moeller1> Message-ID: Answer to first question depends on the how. Negating the movement of one unit will not negate the other. Moto Chagatai xp2, Right Hand, etc. However, if you are using something that cancels the action, like A Test of Courage, Faith In my Clan, etc. then yes, because you are canceling the action that sends both units home vs negating the movement effect on one or the other. For the second I believe the answer is yes. The only restriction on presence or relevance is for Battle/Open actions taken during the battle action segment. Reactions are taken whenever their trigger occurs. Akodo James -----Original Message----- From: L5r-ccg-bounces at alderac.com [mailto:L5r-ccg-bounces at alderac.com]On Behalf Of R & H Moeller Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 3:56 PM To: L5r-ccg at alderac.com Subject: [L5R-CCG] rules questions If you are attacking with two units and your opponent plays overwhelmed, if you cancel the send home on the first unit will the second unit stay as well? can you play reactions at a battle where you have no presence? Thanks Rick Moeller capt team ak _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From lyversj at bellsouth.net Thu Sep 2 17:51:49 2004 From: lyversj at bellsouth.net (James Lyvers) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 17:51:49 -0400 Subject: [L5R-CCG] What does Perform mean [Rules] In-Reply-To: <41378BA8.4040902@credifarma.net> Message-ID: What about attaching items that only attach to a personality with a specific trait or Min/Max Stat? Would that fall under condition #3? Why would this be different for items without such a restriction? By rulebook don't all items have to attach to a personality, and thereby fall under #3? Just asking. I've always played attachment as performed by the personality. Akodo James -----Original Message----- From: L5r-ccg-bounces at alderac.com [mailto:L5r-ccg-bounces at alderac.com]On Behalf Of Vladimir Orellana Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 5:08 PM To: L5r-ccg at alderac.com Subject: Re: [L5R-CCG] What does Perform mean [Rules] William Burke wrote: > > On Thursday, September 2, 2004, at 12:15 PM, Vladimir Orellana wrote: > >> What does the definition of a Personality Performing an Action? > > > Diamond rulebook, page 71: > 1. Actions on a Personality or Follower are performed by that card. > 2. Actions on an Item, Spell or Ancestor are performed by its > Personality. > 3. Actions which involve one or more Personalities or Followers in > their cost, such as requiring them to bow or become dishonored, or > which require targeting one or more of your Personalities or Followers > who meet certain conditions, such as being a Shugenja or a Tactician > or having a Chi above 2, are performed by those cards. > 4. Actions which issue a challenge from one of their own > Personalities are performed by the challenger. > 5. All other actions are performed only by their player. So something like discarding the imperial favor to move a unit, is not performed by that unit. But something that says "do X" to move a courtier into this battle is performed by that unit? Or the political action in the old "pre mrp" imperial standard was performed by the unit, but the action on the new imperial standard is performed by the player? > > --p > > > _______________________________________________ > L5r-ccg mailing list > L5r-ccg at alderac.com > http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com > _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From aelfwin at credifarma.net Thu Sep 2 18:06:30 2004 From: aelfwin at credifarma.net (Vladimir Orellana) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 16:06:30 -0600 Subject: [L5R-CCG] What does Perform mean [Rules] In-Reply-To: <22A0DECA-FD1E-11D8-8E7A-003065A79056@mac.com> References: <22A0DECA-FD1E-11D8-8E7A-003065A79056@mac.com> Message-ID: <41379966.8050104@credifarma.net> William Burke wrote: > > On Thursday, September 2, 2004, at 12:15 PM, Vladimir Orellana wrote: > >> What does the definition of a Personality Performing an Action? > > > Diamond rulebook, page 71: > 1. Actions on a Personality or Follower are performed by that card. > 2. Actions on an Item, Spell or Ancestor are performed by its > Personality. > 3. Actions which involve one or more Personalities or Followers in > their cost, such as requiring them to bow or become dishonored, or > which require targeting one or more of your Personalities or Followers > who meet certain conditions, such as being a Shugenja or a Tactician > or having a Chi above 2, are performed by those cards. > 4. Actions which issue a challenge from one of their own > Personalities are performed by the challenger. > 5. All other actions are performed only by their player. > > --p > > > _______________________________________________ > L5r-ccg mailing list > L5r-ccg at alderac.com > http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com > _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From kakitaseisetsu at hotmail.com Thu Sep 2 19:03:11 2004 From: kakitaseisetsu at hotmail.com (Seisetsu Kakita) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 16:03:11 -0700 Subject: [L5R-CCG] GenCon 04--Someone left a dozen card sleeves at my table/Prints Message-ID: Sorry, this is old--haven't lurked for a week or so... >Any chance of you doing Prints of any of your awesome art from DoE? >(Im asking about Otaku specifically) I should have prints of DoE after it is published--MAYBE just before GenCon-SoCal (if I go to that con). Or sometime after that. Definitely at next year's GenCon-Indy. --April check http://www.aprillee.com --LATER-- it's not updated right now and won't be for a while... :( _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From Whitecat31 at aol.com Thu Sep 2 19:18:59 2004 From: Whitecat31 at aol.com (Whitecat31 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 19:18:59 -0400 Subject: [L5R-CCG] GenCon 04--Someone left a dozen card sleeves at mytable/Prints Message-ID: <7063F081.16CB2A0E.0D2B82C1@aol.com> In a message dated 9/2/2004 7:03:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Seisetsu Kakita" writes: >Sorry, this is old--haven't lurked for a week or so... > >>Any chance of you doing Prints of any of your awesome art from DoE? >>(Im asking about Otaku specifically) > >I should have prints of DoE after it is published--MAYBE just before >GenCon-SoCal (if I go to that con). ?Or sometime after that. ?Definitely at next year's GenCon-Indy. > >--April > April, IFFFFFF you go to that con? Please don't make it an IF..Please make it a yes. I have four freinds who would slap me silly, if they did not know I immediately did not BEG you to come to the SOCAL GENCON. At least 4. These guys suck my old cards with your art work away from me like vaccuum cleaners on SPEED. Please come. PLEASSEEEE COME. Thank you David Starr Whitecat31 GAB Vice-Admiral in the Golden Koku TEAM _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From saberinc at prodigy.net Fri Sep 3 01:10:52 2004 From: saberinc at prodigy.net (Eric Devlin) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 01:10:52 -0400 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Web Help Needed! References: <7063F081.16CB2A0E.0D2B82C1@aol.com> Message-ID: <001801c49174$63fa7a10$b4ebe704@s> Hi, If you have website type skills and wouldnt mind volunteering a little time and would like to earn some T.O. good will, Team Whiplash could use some help. Please shoot me an email off list. We need some help with our website so we can better inform the players of our tournaments for l5r (see how I tied it up there? so it's not off topic? nice.). Eric Devlin www.koteis.com saberinc at prodigy.net _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From VegasMentat at aol.com Fri Sep 3 01:22:18 2004 From: VegasMentat at aol.com (VegasMentat at aol.com) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 01:22:18 EDT Subject: [L5R-CCG] Question Message-ID: <143.324def5a.2e69598a@aol.com> Tenshu Sensei If I switch the force and chi of a berserker who is an a battle, say he is 7F 3C (+2)F so he is 9F 3C does the tenshu recalucalte after the switch there for making him a 5F 9C peep? phil _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From shinjo_arasaka at yahoo.com Fri Sep 3 02:36:07 2004 From: shinjo_arasaka at yahoo.com (Hjal Nelson) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 23:36:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [L5R-CCG] Rules: Illegal actions becoming legal and resolving anyway Message-ID: <20040903063607.49627.qmail@web52804.mail.yahoo.com> Kuro's Fire was ruled that there is an infinite amount of RA strength you can target, just so long as there are sufficient traits in play to retroactively change the RAs to legal strengths. My question: Is this a ruling unique to Kuro's Fire, or can ANY illegal action be declared so long as there are non-optional traits in play that would make the action legal? example: bowing NPOTM to attach Shinsei's legion to a cav perp. The follower must gain the cav trait; satisfying the higher gold production clause for the stronghold. Why could you not declare that you'll bow to pay 7 for a cav follower, and attach this infantry follower, that will become cavalry at resolution? --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From s_vrettakos at acn.gr Fri Sep 3 03:00:35 2004 From: s_vrettakos at acn.gr (sarandis vrettakos) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 10:00:35 +0300 Subject: [L5R-CCG] L5r in greece again In-Reply-To: <86224193B841EA49B71149F74043CE3F013F896D@chimail2.midwest.ticketmaster.com> Message-ID: <001801c49183$b91c9d20$6a2e05d5@user5hkca89uul> Check out Kaissa Victorias,on 117,3rd September street,near Victoria square in the center of Athens(and the underground station with the same name)and Kaissa Amaroussiou near the central square of Maroussi and the post office(again,near the underground station with the same name).You can definitely buy L5R there,and there are usually some guys playing.There is also Espairos gaming club,on Tositsa street,behind the archaeological museum,that hosts regular L5R tournaments(there's one every Wednesday,and more during each month). Also check out the webpage l5r.gr.It's the Greek forum,and contains a bunch of information.You can also post your question there,and check out the announcements for all upcoming tournaments. Hope that helps... Sarandis Vrettakos Isawa Kenshi Phoenix Clan Acolyte of Air -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Stagman (St. Louis) [mailto:Daniel.Stagman at Ticketmaster.com] Sent: ??????, 2 ??????????? 2004 1:38 ?? To: 'l5r-ccg at alderac.com' Subject: [L5R-CCG] L5r in greece again I asked this before, but I lost the response. Where can I either play or buy some l5r while I am in Athens? Preferably some place near a metro stop (doesn't matter which line). If not, then I will need the address to take a taxi. Thanks! Daniel Stagman Client Service Representative Ticketmaster - St. Louis 341-231-4445 _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From jsarment at chipidea.com Fri Sep 3 03:21:24 2004 From: jsarment at chipidea.com (Jose Angelo Sarmento) Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 08:21:24 +0100 Subject: [L5R-CCG] [RULES] Armor of Earth & Gunsen of Water vs. Katana of Fire Message-ID: <41381B74.1010800@chipidea.com> Jeff/Marty, Since Armor of Earth and Gunsen of Water have the errata that eliminates the cost reduction when having the corresponding Ring in play, does Katana of Fire have that errata as well? Jose Angelo Sarmento _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From yooguruto at wp.pl Fri Sep 3 03:40:45 2004 From: yooguruto at wp.pl (Jigga) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 09:40:45 +0200 Subject: [L5R-CCG] [RULES] Armor of Earth & Gunsen of Water vs. Katana ofFire In-Reply-To: <41381B74.1010800@chipidea.com> Message-ID: no, cause katana isn't diamond legal Jeff/Marty, Since Armor of Earth and Gunsen of Water have the errata that eliminates the cost reduction when having the corresponding Ring in play, does Katana of Fire have that errata as well? Jose Angelo Sarmento _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From Whitecat31 at aol.com Fri Sep 3 03:41:57 2004 From: Whitecat31 at aol.com (Whitecat31 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 03:41:57 EDT Subject: [L5R-CCG] [RULES] Armor of Earth & Gunsen of Water vs. Katana of Fire Message-ID: <83.1506b5c1.2e697a45@aol.com> In a message dated 9/3/2004 12:22:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jsarment at chipidea.com writes: > > Jeff/Marty, > > Since Armor of Earth and Gunsen of Water have the errata that eliminates > the cost reduction when having the corresponding Ring in play, does > Katana of Fire have that errata as well? > > Jose Angelo Sarmento NO, apparently we believe the Katana of Fire was playtested as being too powerful for the Diamond enviroment, so it never made the cut.(Eye roll) So luckily it was spared the errata. It was only later when they figured out that introspection plus wisdom gained plus sezaru wind was too powerful that they erratum the other cards into pieces of cardboard. Sure they could have done a minor adjustment like only reduced to one gold, but NAH!!! This was simpler. Not bitter..Not bitter at all.. Nothing to see here. WC _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From shinigami_walter at hotmail.com Fri Sep 3 03:59:13 2004 From: shinigami_walter at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?B?RnJhbudvaXMgSkFDT0I=?=) Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 09:59:13 +0200 Subject: [L5R-CCG] [RULES] Jigoku-sensei Message-ID: Could you clarify what happen to a personality discarded to Jigoku-sensei ? Is that personality considered a dead personality or not ? _________________________________________________________________ Bloquez les fen?tres pop-up, c'est gratuit ! http://toolbar.msn.fr _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From l5r_ccg at hotmail.com Fri Sep 3 06:01:37 2004 From: l5r_ccg at hotmail.com (Paul Weaver) Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 03:01:37 -0700 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Rules for 28 August 2004 [RULES] Message-ID: Marty, QUESTION - After looking at rules/rulings on the Master of Five [see below], I'm curious if the event is now intended to provide an alternate win condition for any player who can: A) Produce 1 action with the Earth, Air, Fire, Water, & Void traits (ie. Fire and Air's Elemental Action cast by a Master of X with 2 Inkyo's Jingasa's on him). OR B) Produce from 1 to 5 elemental actions with any combination of Earth, Air, Fire, Water, & Void traits among them (ie. Fire and Air's Elemental Action; Inkyo's Jingasa on a Master of X with an Elemental Action, also Fire and Water's Elemental Action in one phase). Thanks for your time. >Just wondering how the interaction works. When I >looked up Mo5 I saw that there was errata to the card and to me it appeared >to not change it at all, >so I was wondering what that errata was intended to >do and if it interacted at all with Naka Tokei(xp2) being able to perform >one action that satisfies >Mo5s win condition? [Marty wrote] >Yes. Naka Tokei (xp2) wins Master of Five. He's that >good. [Accumulated Rulings] The Master of Five Should read, "...any player who produces an Earth, Air (or Wind), Fire, Water, and Void action..." _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee? Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From togashi.shin at free.fr Fri Sep 3 06:03:12 2004 From: togashi.shin at free.fr (Togashi Imura) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 12:03:12 +0200 Subject: [L5R-CCG] [RULES] Jigoku-sensei References: Message-ID: <002f01c4919d$39a08290$0300a8c0@Nonoportable> It is not considered dead. It is considered Discarded. Togashi Imura ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fran?ois JACOB" To: Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 9:59 AM Subject: [L5R-CCG] [RULES] Jigoku-sensei > Could you clarify what happen to a personality discarded to Jigoku-sensei ? > Is that personality considered a dead personality or not ? > > _________________________________________________________________ > Bloquez les fen?tres pop-up, c'est gratuit ! http://toolbar.msn.fr > > > _______________________________________________ > L5r-ccg mailing list > L5r-ccg at alderac.com > http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com > > _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From togashi.shin at free.fr Fri Sep 3 06:08:02 2004 From: togashi.shin at free.fr (Togashi Imura) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 12:08:02 +0200 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Question References: <143.324def5a.2e69598a@aol.com> Message-ID: <003e01c4919d$e6314c60$0300a8c0@Nonoportable> Well, you have a 7F/3C peep. It is opposed so Tenshu Sensei grants him +2F. Thus, your peep is 9F/3C. If its Force and Chi are Switch, it gains a -6F/+6C modifier and become 3F/9C peep. However the +2F bonus from Tenshu Sensei is still here, and if you use In Search of The Future, your peep becomes a 1F/9C peep... Hey, you've got a better duelist than any Dragon... pity that you favor duels of Force ;) Togashi Imura ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 7:22 AM Subject: [L5R-CCG] Question > Tenshu Sensei > > If I switch the force and chi of a berserker who is an a battle, say he is 7F > 3C (+2)F so he is 9F 3C does the tenshu recalucalte after the switch there > for making him a 5F 9C peep? > phil > _______________________________________________ > L5r-ccg mailing list > L5r-ccg at alderac.com > http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com > > _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From Serannian at ath.forthnet.gr Fri Sep 3 07:29:24 2004 From: Serannian at ath.forthnet.gr (Serannian) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 14:29:24 +0300 Subject: [L5R-CCG] [RULES] Show of good faith + the legions charge Message-ID: <00c201c491a9$446affa0$2201a8c0@noname> Lets say that on my opponent's action phase my opponent kills one of my personalities with kolat assasin and gets another one with Show of good faith and kill it too with bloodspeaker's altar. Can i react at the end of the action phase with "The legions charge"? I believe that i CAN react cause the personality was mine all the time, (i was the owner) i just lost control of it. Any thoughts? _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From azaroth at liverpool.ac.uk Fri Sep 3 07:32:13 2004 From: azaroth at liverpool.ac.uk (Robert Sanderson) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 12:32:13 +0100 (BST) Subject: [L5R-CCG] [RULES] Show of good faith + the legions charge In-Reply-To: <00c201c491a9$446affa0$2201a8c0@noname> References: <00c201c491a9$446affa0$2201a8c0@noname> Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Sep 2004, Serannian wrote: > Lets say that on my opponent's action phase my opponent kills > one of my personalities with kolat assasin and gets another one > with Show of good faith and kill it too with bloodspeaker's altar. > > Can i react at the end of the action phase with "The legions charge"? No. Because when the personality was stolen with Show of Good Faith, it became your opponent's card for the purposes of 'your' in the wording of The Legions Charge. Your == Controlled by you Text: Play when a phase ends in which two of more of your Personalities were destroyed by one other player's actions. If it was an Attack Phase, create a permanent 4F/4C Cavalry Samurai Personality card with 4 Personal Honor in your home under your control. If it was not an Attack Phase, create two such cards. Rob ,'/:. Dr Robert Sanderson (azaroth at liverpool.ac.uk) ,'-/::::. http://www.o-r-g.org/~azaroth/ ,'--/::(@)::. Special Collections and Archives, extension 3142 ,'---/::::::::::. University of Liverpool ____/:::::::::::::. L5R Shop: http://www.cardsnotwords.com/ I L L U M I N A T I _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From lyversj at bellsouth.net Fri Sep 3 09:23:18 2004 From: lyversj at bellsouth.net (James Lyvers) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 09:23:18 -0400 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Rules for 28 August 2004 In-Reply-To: <20040902190552.18512.qmail@web54105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Okay, but then why the errata? What was the errata supposed to change? Why was it necessary? Akodo James * * * * * * * * * * From:? "James Lyvers" Date:? Sat?Aug?28,?2004? 9:49 pm Subject:? [L5R-CCG][RULES] Master of Five/Naka Tokei(xp2) > Just wondering how the interaction works. When I looked up Mo5 I saw that > there was errata to the card and to me it appeared to not change it at all, > so I was wondering what that errata was intended to do and if it interacted > at all with Naka Tokei(xp2) being able to perform one action that satisfies > Mo5s win condition? Yes. Naka Tokei (xp2) wins Master of Five. He's that good. * * * * * * * * * * _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From kschafer at nazarenefoundation.org Fri Sep 3 09:32:52 2004 From: kschafer at nazarenefoundation.org (Kevin Schafer) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:32:52 -0500 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Rules for 28 August 2004 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040903133121.47EF040006@omta12.mta.everyone.net> This supposed erratum is dated in 1999. I would believe the erratum is the addition of (or Wind) to the list of traited actions. Kevin Schafer > -----Original Message----- > From: L5r-ccg-bounces at alderac.com [mailto:L5r-ccg-bounces at alderac.com] On > Behalf Of James Lyvers > Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 8:23 AM > To: L5r-ccg at alderac.com > Subject: RE: [L5R-CCG] Rules for 28 August 2004 > > Okay, but then why the errata? What was the errata supposed to change? > Why > was it necessary? > > Akodo James > > > * * * * * * * * * * > > From:? "James Lyvers" > Date:? Sat?Aug?28,?2004? 9:49 pm > Subject:? [L5R-CCG][RULES] Master of Five/Naka > Tokei(xp2) > > > Just wondering how the interaction works. When I > looked up Mo5 I saw that > > there was errata to the card and to me it appeared > to not change it at all, > > so I was wondering what that errata was intended to > do and if it interacted > > at all with Naka Tokei(xp2) being able to perform > one action that satisfies > > Mo5s win condition? > > Yes. Naka Tokei (xp2) wins Master of Five. He's that > good. > > * * * * * * * * * * > > > _______________________________________________ > L5r-ccg mailing list > L5r-ccg at alderac.com > http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From frater_corvus at msn.com Fri Sep 3 13:40:24 2004 From: frater_corvus at msn.com (James Carr) Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 12:40:24 -0500 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Hoshi Ishida's Ranged Attack Message-ID: The text in question: Battle: Once per battle, issue a challenge to an opposing Personality. If he refuses, Ishida produces a Ranged 3 Attack without bowing. The situation: Hoshi Ishida issues a challenge to a Water Dragon. The Water Dragon refuses ( dishonorable lizard... ) and Ishida takes aim. I target Shiba Dan with the Ranged 3 to kill him. The other player is curious if the target of the Ranged 3 is restricted to the Personality that refused the duel. The question: Does the refusal give Ishida an actual, free Ranged 3? Or is it more a boot to the head for refusing Ishida's challenge, targetting the refuser? Thanks in advance! _________________________________________________________________ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From jalexander at alderac.com Fri Sep 3 14:10:32 2004 From: jalexander at alderac.com (Jeff Alexander) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 11:10:32 -0700 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Rules: Illegal actions becoming legal and resolving anyway In-Reply-To: <20040903063607.49627.qmail@web52804.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040903063607.49627.qmail@web52804.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > >Kuro's Fire was ruled that there is an infinite amount of RA >strength you can target, just so long as there are sufficient traits >in play to retroactively change the RAs to legal strengths. >> >>My question: > >Is this a ruling unique to Kuro's Fire, or can ANY illegal action >be declared so long as there are non-optional traits in play that >would make the action legal? Yes. You take all mandatory, known modifying effects into account in determining whether an action is legal. That is the very essence of the "Smart Cards" rule. > >example: > >bowing NPOTM to attach Shinsei's legion to a cav perp. The >follower must gain the cav trait; satisfying the higher gold >production clause for the stronghold. Why could you not declare >that you'll bow to pay 7 for a cav follower, and attach this >infantry follower, that will become cavalry at resolution? Different issue entirely. You didn't declare an illegal action. You declared a legal one and then didn't pay for it. It doesn't matter that Shinsei's Legion is going to become Cavalry after it enters play. At all times during the "pay costs" step, it cost 7 and you only produced 5. It doesn't enter play until you produce 7. -- Jeff Alexander Lead Designer, L5R CCG Alderac Entertainment Group _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From saberinc at prodigy.net Fri Sep 3 15:00:52 2004 From: saberinc at prodigy.net (Eric Devlin) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 15:00:52 -0400 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Big Update References: <20040903063607.49627.qmail@web52804.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004e01c491e8$56de35a0$17ede704@s> Hi, I just received a very nice package of donations from the WWE (videos, tee shirts, etc.) and I thought that this would be a great time to post an update on the donor list for the 9/11 Charity Tournament being held on Oct. 30th. In addition to what is below, I expect to have a VERY big announcement by Tuesday. 9/11 Remembrance Event Current Donors for 2004 Sports Related NY Giants NY Jets NY Knicks NY Islanders NJ Devils NJ Nets Phil Eagles 'Smokin' Joe Frazier Hulk Hogan WWE In the Game Industry Distributors ACD Alliance GAMUS Game Manufacturers AEG Comic Images Kenzer & Company Z-Man Games Paradigm Concepts Eagle Games Iron Wind Games Game Support Companies Ultra Pro Rook Storage Flying Tricycle Hammer Dog Games Conventions Origins 2005 GenCon llc. Publishers Paizo Publishing Krause Publications Scrye Magazine Games Quarterly Magazine Artistic Donors Larry Elmore George R.R. Martin, famed author Dr. Maya Angelou, poet laureate Henry Winkler actor and childs author David Baldacci, famed author Other George Weston Bakeries (Entenmanns) Girl Scouts of America _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From kaioto at yahoo.com Fri Sep 3 15:29:48 2004 From: kaioto at yahoo.com (Martin Lund) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 12:29:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [L5R-CCG] Rules for 30 August 2004 Message-ID: <20040903192948.21149.qmail@web54108.mail.yahoo.com> Your Rules for Monday August 30, 2004 * * * * * * * * * * From:? Robert Sanderson Date:? Mon?Aug?30,?2004? 10:04 am Subject:? [L5R-CCG] [RULES] Unexpected Strike > Do the new events like Goemon's Ascension that remain in play until used > count as an 'ongoing effect' of an event that has been resolved for the > purposes of Unexpected Strike? Being put into play isn't an on-going effect. It is a one-shot sort of thing. Events that remain in play merely avert the "immediately discarded" rule that normally sweeps events into your Discard Pile. Once you're past that specific instance, the Event remains in play until an effect says to remove it from play in some manner. Unexpected Strike will not discard Goemon's Ascension. Of course, if they have any sort of on-going effect (not to be confused with effects of a Trait that is continuously applied while the event is in play) produced when they resolved initially, those will be ended. * * * * * * * * * * From:? "Vor Kosigan" Date:? Mon?Aug?30,?2004? 1:01 pm Subject:? [L5R-CCG] Informant + Summon Earth Kami > Can I create a 1F/1C personality in a battle controled by my opponent and > then play Informant ?. > Informant says: "target a player who controls one or more Personalities that > he or she does not own. You may bow one of those Personalities.". As > Informant allows me to bow one of such personalities, I'm targetting a card > in the battle by playing informant so the combo is ok with the rule of > relevance The only point is, does the other player own the 1F/1C personality > I create ? The player who uses the Effect that Creates a Card is the Card's owner (DE Rulebook, page 102, "Glossary - Owner"). That's the player who used Summon Earth Kami. You can bow a Personality you've created under another player's control with Informant. Just remember that you'll need Presence as well as Relevance to do this in Battle. * * * * * * * * * * From:? Jeff Alexander Date:? Mon?Aug?30,?2004? 1:24 pm Subject:? [L5R-CCG] Re: Swamp Harriers / Doji Hayaku Question > I was wonding if according to the "Keyword Rule" I could attach > Swamp Harriers to Doji Hayaku for the reduced costs? No. Family names are based on the card's title alone. The Keyword Rule does not apply. -- Jeff Alexander Lead Designer, L5R CCG Alderac Entertainment Group * * * * * * * * * * From:? Jeff Alexander Date:? Mon?Aug?30,?2004? 2:15 pm Subject:? Re: [L5R-CCG] RULES: Plain sof O-U > I'm confused. So if you get a Plains in a province during your > Events Phase and refill it with two cards, do you then: > > 1) reveal both cards before moving on to the next province > 2) reveal only the second refilled card, because that is the one > that has been "added to the Province currently being revealed" > 3) reveal none of them because when you reveal the Plains you are > effectively "done" with that province > 4) start sobbing because you don't know what to do 2. -- Jeff Alexander Lead Designer, L5R CCG Alderac Entertainment Group * * * * * * * * * * From:? "Bob Galley" Date:? Mon?Aug?30,?2004? 4:30 pm Subject:? [L5R-CCG] [RULES] Tadaji Sensei and winning a battle > Does an army have to be opposed to 'win' a battle, even if the army is not > strong enough to destroy the province? You can't "win" a Battle unless there is an Army on both the Attacking and Defending side when you compare Force Totals during Battle Resolution. * * * * * * * * * * From:? "Robert McChesney" Date:? Mon?Aug?30,?2004? 5:56 pm Subject:? [L5R-CCG] palm strike interaction > I'm new at the game but i was wondering if it would work to play palm strike > with any personality using hitomi dojo? Yes. You're Personality answers "yes" to "Are you a Monk?" while casting a Kiho Action. Anything looking for the Monk Trait during that time seems him as a Monk - the Kiho, opposing and allied Personalities with Monk-related Traits, Reactions, etc. * * * * * * * * * * That should be everything that's not related to Dawn of the Empire for Monday, August 30th. If I missed your question, please repost it with the flag [RULES] as part of your clear and distinct Subject Line and I'll get back to you at the first opportunity. Thank you, - Marty Lund Deputy Rules Monkey _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From kaioto at yahoo.com Fri Sep 3 16:41:59 2004 From: kaioto at yahoo.com (Martin Lund) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 13:41:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [L5R-CCG] Rules for 31 August 2004 Message-ID: <20040903204159.78064.qmail@web54107.mail.yahoo.com> Your Rules for Tuesay August 31, 2004 * * * * * * * * * * From:? VegasMentat at a... Date:? Tue?Aug?31,?2004? 6:06 am Subject:? [L5R-CCG] Question > If a Champion's Heart has resolved does the KB stronghold ability trigger its > effect? Does bowing a Scorpion Clan peep to pay the cost of discarding the > favor the same as actully discarding the favor? Yes. > Satoe and Aid of the Grand Master. > Can you fully resolve Aid of the GM before drawing a card off Satoe's > reaction? Can you draw the card you fetched with Satoe reaction No. Satoe reacts immediate after the Personality "bows to cast a Kiho." That happens when you pay the cost, which is before you resolve any effects of the Kiho. And she can't React at all if you cast the Kiho without bowing. (Togashi Satsu) * * * * * * * * * * From:? "Rusty Priske" Date:? Tue?Aug?31,?2004? 11:31 am Subject:? [L5R-CCG] RULES: Tribes Gather > Tribes Gather is a Delayed Terrain that has two different options. > > Do you have to choose the option when you play the terrain or can you > wait until it resolves? "If an action gives you an option of which effect to use (e.g., Moto Latomu, Scrutiny's Sweet Sting), you must announce which you intend to use when you announce the action. [ML, 22 June 2004]" (Accumulated Rulings, "Actions and abilities") * * * * * * * * * * From:? Philippe Duchon Date:? Tue?Aug?31,?2004? 5:08 pm Subject:? [L5R-CCG] [Rules] Experience and name changes > I'm confused about how the "Experienced X Shiba Jim" trait works when > the Personalities change names, so I'll ask. This could be seen as a > Dawn question ("Can Shosuro XP7 overlay the Ninja Shapeshifter?"), but > it isn't, really. It's only about currently legal cards. I'll ask Jeff. * * * * * * * * * * rom:? Martin Lund Date:? Tue?Aug?31,?2004? 9:04 pm Subject:? Re: [L5R-CCG] Rules for 26 August 2004 Comments Below: --- steven whol wrote: > > I was under the impression that a personality dieing > dishonorably made them lose honor equal to their > printed PH, not current. [MARTY] That's what it says in the Rulebook. There wouldn't be any point, otherwise. Dishonored Personalities always have 0 Current Personal Honor. > However, if that is the case, super, that makes > force of will ALOT stronger. [MARTY] I'm not sure I follow you. Political Entanglements changes - Printed - Personal Honor. He's asking what happens if a personality with a Printed -1 PH dies dishonorably. Answer: You effectively gain 1 honor. Subtracting (-)Negative One (-1) from a number is the equivalent of adding (+) Positive One (1). - Marty Lund Deputy Rules Monkey * * * * * * * * * * That should be everything that's not related to Dawn of the Empire for Tuesday, August 31th. If I missed your question, please repost it with the flag [RULES] as part of your clear and distinct Subject Line and I'll get back to you at the first opportunity. Thank you, - Marty Lund Deputy Rules Monkey _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From ryan at michonline.com Fri Sep 3 16:51:00 2004 From: ryan at michonline.com (Ryan Anderson) Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 16:51:00 -0400 Subject: [L5R-useful] [L5R-CCG] Rules for 31 August 2004 In-Reply-To: <20040903204159.78064.qmail@web54107.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040903204159.78064.qmail@web54107.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1094244659.23502.144.camel@ryan2.internal.autoweb.net> On Fri, 2004-09-03 at 16:41, Martin Lund wrote: > > However, if that is the case, super, that makes > > force of will ALOT stronger. > > [MARTY] I'm not sure I follow you. Political > Entanglements changes - Printed - Personal Honor. He's > asking what happens if a personality with a Printed -1 > PH dies dishonorably. > > Answer: You effectively gain 1 honor. Subtracting > (-)Negative One (-1) from a number is the equivalent > of adding (+) Positive One (1). Is "printed personal honor" listed as one of the numerical values in the game that is now allowed to become negative? I thought that family honor and honor requirements were the only things that went negative? (i.e, everything else tracks bonuses/penalties below 0, but they still count as 0) Am I wrong? Out of date? -- Ryan Anderson AutoWeb Communications, Inc. email: ryan at autoweb.net _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From azaroth at liverpool.ac.uk Fri Sep 3 16:54:11 2004 From: azaroth at liverpool.ac.uk (Robert Sanderson) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 21:54:11 +0100 (BST) Subject: [L5R-CCG] Rules for 31 August 2004 In-Reply-To: <20040903204159.78064.qmail@web54107.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040903204159.78064.qmail@web54107.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Sep 2004, Martin Lund wrote: > And she can't React at all if you cast the Kiho > without bowing. (Togashi Satsu) Satsu says 'may' cast, so you can still choose to bow him to cast the kiho and react with Satoe, correct? Rob ,'/:. Dr Robert Sanderson (azaroth at liverpool.ac.uk) ,'-/::::. http://www.o-r-g.org/~azaroth/ ,'--/::(@)::. Special Collections and Archives, extension 3142 ,'---/::::::::::. University of Liverpool ____/:::::::::::::. L5R Shop: http://www.cardsnotwords.com/ I L L U M I N A T I _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From kschafer at nazarenefoundation.org Fri Sep 3 17:03:26 2004 From: kschafer at nazarenefoundation.org (Kevin Schafer) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 16:03:26 -0500 Subject: [L5R-useful] [L5R-CCG] Rules for 31 August 2004 In-Reply-To: <1094244659.23502.144.camel@ryan2.internal.autoweb.net> Message-ID: <20040903210154.66E29401A2@omta12.mta.everyone.net> I think the point is that, for the game's purposes, printed numerals are not values. Kevin Schafer > > Is "printed personal honor" listed as one of the numerical values in the > game that is now allowed to become negative? > > I thought that family honor and honor requirements were the only things > that went negative? (i.e, everything else tracks bonuses/penalties > below 0, but they still count as 0) > > Am I wrong? Out of date? > > > -- > > Ryan Anderson > AutoWeb Communications, Inc. > email: ryan at autoweb.net > > _______________________________________________ > L5r-ccg mailing list > L5r-ccg at alderac.com > http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From kaioto at yahoo.com Fri Sep 3 17:09:31 2004 From: kaioto at yahoo.com (Martin Lund) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 14:09:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [L5R-CCG] Re: Printed Values - Drop below 0? In-Reply-To: <1094244659.23502.144.camel@ryan2.internal.autoweb.net> Message-ID: <20040903210931.59781.qmail@web54102.mail.yahoo.com> Comments Below: --- Ryan Anderson wrote: > > On Fri, 2004-09-03 at 16:41, Martin Lund wrote: > > > > However, if that is the case, super, that makes > > > force of will ALOT stronger. > > > > [MARTY] I'm not sure I follow you. Political > > Entanglements changes - Printed - Personal Honor. > He's > > asking what happens if a personality with a > Printed -1 > > PH dies dishonorably. > > > > Answer: You effectively gain 1 honor. Subtracting > > (-)Negative One (-1) from a number is the > equivalent > > of adding (+) Positive One (1). > > Is "printed personal honor" listed as one of the numerical values in > the game that is now allowed to become negative? [MARTY] Messy. The Bonuses and Penalties section addresses "current number on a card." However, it also says that "No values in the game except Family Gonor and Honor Requirments can drop under 0." Then is talks about imposing minimums and maximums. On the other hand, we have Items, Sensei, Followers, etc. that have Printed Values force such stats that - ARE - below 0. -2C on Blacksteel Blade. -1 Gold Production on Nio Sensei. Etc. Also, we already went over being able to change the printed "1" on Tamago to a Negative Value. On that basis, I assumed that only Current Values have minimums imposed by page 62 of the Rulebook, not Printed Values. However, it could also be that even Printed Values can't be "dropped" below 0, only come with such negative values already printed. That opens up an additional can of worms on penalties and bonuses in relationship to Printed vs. Current Values, though. Also, values may only apply to certain card-statistic areas on the card, not to the Traits section. I'll forward Jeff and see if he has some clearer guidelines about how it comes out. - Marty Lund Deputy Rules Monkey __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From kaioto at yahoo.com Fri Sep 3 17:31:44 2004 From: kaioto at yahoo.com (Martin Lund) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 14:31:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fwd from Jeff: [L5R-CCG] [Rules] Experience and name changes Message-ID: <20040903213144.76140.qmail@web54106.mail.yahoo.com> Here you go, folks. --- Jeff Alexander wrote: > > Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 14:01:46 -0700 > To: "Kaioto" > From: Jeff Alexander > Subject: Re: Rules Question - [L5R-CCG] [Rules] > Experience and name changes > > >I need your help on this one. > > > >Do you go strictly by the traits, or by outside knowledge of the > >Experienced-chain of the in-between Personalities? > > You go by knowledge of the entire card set. [MARTY] Which means that yes, Shosuro Thunder EXP7 should overlay Ninja Shapeshifter due to Shosuro EXP1 saying, "experienced Ninja Shapeshifter." - Marty Lund Deputy Rules Monkey __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From duchon.philippe at free.fr Fri Sep 3 17:42:31 2004 From: duchon.philippe at free.fr (Philippe Duchon) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 23:42:31 +0200 Subject: Fwd from Jeff: [L5R-CCG] [Rules] Experience and name changes In-Reply-To: <20040903213144.76140.qmail@web54106.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040903213144.76140.qmail@web54106.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040903234231.6487f2ba.duchon.philippe@free.fr> On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 14:31:44 -0700 (PDT) Martin Lund wrote: > Here you go, folks. > > > > > > > Do you go strictly by the traits, or by outside > > > knowledge of the > > > Experienced-chain of the in-between Personalities? > > > > You go by knowledge of the entire card set. > > [MARTY] Which means that yes, Shosuro Thunder EXP7 > should overlay Ninja Shapeshifter due to Shosuro EXP1 > saying, "experienced Ninja Shapeshifter." > OK, fine. Let's go hypothetical then - imagine Ninja Shapeshifter is legal in the environment, but Shosuro is. Does the existence of a non-legal card (Shosuro) make it possible to overlay the Shapeshifter with Shosuro? Oops, sorry. No Dawn questions. Imagine Toturi Bob and... :) -- Philippe Duchon -- duchon.philippe at free.fr Scorpion Clan Crypto-Geek _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From kaioto at yahoo.com Fri Sep 3 17:45:06 2004 From: kaioto at yahoo.com (Martin Lund) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 14:45:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [L5R-CCG] Rules for 1 September 2004 Message-ID: <20040903214506.36217.qmail@web54101.mail.yahoo.com> Your Rules for Wednesday September 1, 2004 * * * * * * * * * * From:? "jon" Date:? Wed?Sep?1,?2004? 3:03 am Subject:? [L5R-CCG] Rules Q - Jeff/Marty > Does a weapon have it's own force? (simular to followers that give + to a > stat) archive: " A Follower providing "+X Force" has "X" Force of its own. > > Ie does a +4f item itself have 4 force? Yes. > Since black heart says any opposing card, could a player target the scimitar > to reduce it's force (and bonus) to 0? Yes. > If the personality instead is targeted with blackheart and reduces the > personality to 0f it also reduces the bonus from attached items to 0 as well > correct? It does not affect the bonus in any way. The bonus was there first, and the Dark Heart's effect come later. Therefore, it goes like this: Personalities Base Force (4) + Item's Force (4) = 8 Force - 8 Force from Dark Heart = 0 Force The Item is still giving +4 Force the whole time. The penalty from Dark Heart is simply big enough to compensate. > Ie my opponent targets my 4f personality with senpent scimitar attached +4f > (personality 8f total) is the personality now at 0f or 4f? As noted above, 0F. > Alternately my 4f personality has a +2f ninja mentor attached (personality 6f > total) the personality is targeted by black heart, are the personality *and* > the mentor both at 0f? or does the ninja mentor remain unaffected? (leaving my > personality with 2f) Just the Personality is affected. He gets -6F, enough to reduce his already modified Current Force (6) to 0. 4F + 2F - 6F is still 0F. * * * * * * * * * * From:? "albert fernandez" Date:? Wed?Sep?1,?2004? 3:27 am Subject:? [L5R-CCG] Shi-Tien Yen-Wang Temple?s Reaction (RULES) > A) I have a Personality with 4C, no Retainers in play. My opponent has no > Personalities. He want to play a Kolat Assassin. I use the Reaction of > Shi-Tien Yen-Wang Temple and becames an ilegal target. What happens? Shi-Tien Yen-Wang Temple as a weird wording. It tells you to do it - before - they get targeted. Normally, affects trigger When or After such a thing happens. I'm not quite sure how that meshes with the rest of the rules. It is a new card, and thusly I shall use this as an excuse to toss more work on Jeff's desk. Forwarded. * * * * * * * * * * From:? Jeff Alexander Date:? Wed?Sep?1,?2004? 3:08 pm Subject:? [L5R-CCG] [OFFICIAL] Watch List/Errata update Yoritomo Utemaro is being removed from the Watch List as of today. There are no other cards currently on the list. There is no new balance errata to any cards or Strongholds at this time. -- Jeff Alexander Lead Designer, L5R CCG Alderac Entertainment Group * * * * * * * * * * From:? Philippe Duchon Date:? Wed?Sep?1,?2004? 6:52 pm Subject:? [L5R-CCG] [Rules] Unintentional illegal play > I know one cannot announce an illegal action when they have no way of > making it legal, but what if one does that by mistake - say, I > announce I want to play this Kiho, but forgot it was a Shugenja-only > Kiho and have only a Monk. Can the opponent force me to discard the > card, or does it have to go back to my hand? You aren't supposed to alter the game state with illegal plays. The card should go back into your hand. The game should be as if you never made the attempt (because you couldn't). As for penalties, goof-ups are goof ups. If your opponent has to call you on trying to make plays to your advantage that aren't legal too often (for some cases, even once is too often), he's going to call a judge and the judge is probably going to give you a lecture and a caution to stop doing that. If you make it a habit of such behavior, the judge is probably going to eventually have to boot you for being disruptive / cheating. * * * * * * * * * * That should be everything that's not related to Dawn of the Empire for Wednesday, September 1st. If I missed your question, please repost it with the flag [RULES] as part of your clear and distinct Subject Line and I'll get back to you at the first opportunity. Thank you, - Marty Lund Deputy Rules Monkey _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From ShibaBarracuda at aol.com Fri Sep 3 19:15:14 2004 From: ShibaBarracuda at aol.com (ShibaBarracuda at aol.com) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 19:15:14 EDT Subject: [L5R-CCG] Rules - Summon Earth Kami Message-ID: <45.152e8f1d.2e6a5502@aol.com> Would I be right in thinking that to use this spell to create a personality in your opponents army the caster must be assigned to a province during the attack phase? Otherwise, it would seem that you do not meet the restrictions on the relevance of the action. There is probably something glaringly obvious I've missed but if I could just have this one cleared up I would be very grateful. Many Thanks Joe Jackson Shiba Barracuda *Team Tiger* _______________________________________________ L5r-ccg mailing list L5r-ccg at alderac.com http://alderac.com/mailman/listinfo/l5r-ccg_alderac.com From neilsmithies at optusnet.com.au Fri Sep 3 19:40:28 2004 From: neilsmithies at optusnet.com.au (Neil Smithies) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 09:40:28 +1000 Subject: [L5R-CCG] Rules for 1 September 2004 In-Reply-To: <20040903214506.36217.qmail@web54101.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000501c4920f$652c66f0$80cf31d2@neil> Dr. Neil SmithMarty I asked jeff about Shi-Tien Yen-Wang Temple in a private email as below, though it does not exactly answer the case regarding kolat assasin >Shi-Tian yen Wang temple: > >Once per turn before another players action targets one of your >personalities give that personality +1/+1. > >The question: how can you give a person a b