From TaintedTattoo at aol.com Mon Nov 25 01:31:56 2002 From: TaintedTattoo at aol.com (TaintedTattoo@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:08 2003 Subject: [dragon] Shiro Tamori Message-ID: <117.1b33f164.2b131ddc@aol.com> I tested the new Stronghold during the last week and at least in the BB card range is powerfull. I think we will like it ;-) Hitomi Hakene Dragon Clan Tattooed Shadowlands Madmen "Sometimes you must embrace the darkness to ascend in light." Visit Shrine of the new Moon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20021125/4f23cc23/attachment.html From teiran at prodigy.net Mon Nov 25 01:10:24 2002 From: teiran at prodigy.net (Teiran) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:08 2003 Subject: [dragon] Gold Schemein' References: <20021122134110.B28140@matrix.netsoc.tcd.ie> Message-ID: <004a01c29453$f360d0c0$858ffea9@dragon> Just a request for everyone who's been posting their gold schemes, Could you please not abbreviate everything to just 2 letters? Its hard as heck to figure out what you guys are saying. Yes, JW is Jade Works, but what is FoD? Come on, it doesn't take that much more time to type them out, and it's giving me a headache wracking my brains for the answers. Its like playing Word Jumble while I'm checking my email. I really don't mean to offened anyone, but many of the very nice deck strategis you guys have been putting up, which i thank you all for, have done nothing but confuse me. I want to learn how to play better, because I have had problems in gold playing dragon, and I'd like to see what others are doing. -Togashi Teiran Tattooed Monk * Samurai We are the Dragon, We make our own path. From box at metrocast.net Mon Nov 25 03:55:55 2002 From: box at metrocast.net (Ha Ha Ha) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:08 2003 Subject: [dragon] Enlightened Madness [RICH] Message-ID: Wow. Nice. Very good background, very good insight into Kokujin's origins as a madman. Really nice. Very cool to see Kobai, too. He was one of my favourites, and I'd always wanted to learn more about the hitoden. Chieko gets story time, finally! I am drooling in anticipation to see what happens next! Thank you so much, Rich! This promises to be one of the best L5R fictions. Oh, and two words: Kokujin Kobai. *shiver* -T Togashi Ashido Dragon Clan Monk * Tattooed * Experienced The Wandering Monk * Unique From togashilove at hotmail.com Mon Nov 25 14:55:03 2002 From: togashilove at hotmail.com (John Panagiotakis) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:08 2003 Subject: [Dragon] Obsidian & Jade Message-ID: Greetings, Just read some *new* fictions at the Miya archives. I'm not sure how new they are since my perception lately is kinda tricky. In any event, has anyone read "Obsidian and Jade"? More importantly, did anyone like it? I had mixed emotion for the KTYoD from the beginning but this has really dragged the scales towards the bad side...8( Thankfully, there is always "The Promise" where Aramoro makes his appearance. If there is one guy whose whereabouts in KTYoD I like, it's definitely him. ___Togashi Agozatsu___ *Dragon Clan Samurai*Monk*Tattooed* Acolyte_of_Maths*Storyteller*exp* *Will only join the Dragon or Scorpion clan* "Each path that is true is dangerous. If there is no one to bar your way, no challenge to overcome, then you know that the choice is honorless." -Hitomi ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From mkd8 at cornell.edu Mon Nov 25 08:04:35 2002 From: mkd8 at cornell.edu (Matt Dalen) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:08 2003 Subject: [Dragon] Obsidian & Jade In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20021125080308.01ced880@postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu> At 07:55 AM 11/25/2002,, you wrote: >Greetings, > > Just read some *new* fictions at the Miya archives. I'm not sure how > new they are since my perception lately is kinda tricky. In any event, > has anyone read "Obsidian and Jade"? More importantly, did anyone like > it? I had mixed emotion for the KTYoD from the beginning but this has > really dragged the scales towards the bad side...8( Well, that's kind of the point... It wouldn't be 1000 years of darkness if everyone was happy, would it? Granted, I wish they had just ignored the ninja completely and had Hitomi become a kind of dictator, but you can't have everything, I guess... >Thankfully, there is always "The Promise" where Aramoro makes his >appearance. If there is one guy whose whereabouts in KTYoD I like, it's >definitely him. That was definitely a very cool story. >___Togashi Agozatsu___ Tamori Shosei (Matt Dalen) Dragon Clan Alchemist * Shugenja * Jade Hand Webmaster * Self Proclaimed Yu Master "Fear the Kia, for it is strong. We must use its weaknesses - icy surfaces and a dependance on gasoline - against it." From ikazuchi at cryhavok.org Mon Nov 25 08:21:16 2002 From: ikazuchi at cryhavok.org (Hitomi Ikazuchi) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:08 2003 Subject: [dragon] Shiro Tamori In-Reply-To: <117.1b33f164.2b131ddc@aol.com> References: <117.1b33f164.2b131ddc@aol.com> Message-ID: <37615.10.3.36.17.1038230476.squirrel@webmail.cryhavok.org> > I tested the new Stronghold during the last week and at least in the BB > card range is powerfull. I think we will like it ;-) > > Hitomi Hakene > Dragon Clan Tattooed Shadowlands Madmen > "Sometimes you must embrace the darkness to ascend in light." > > Visit > Shrine of the new > Moon Not to sound like an ass, but the decks you tested, were they corrupt? Attack or Honor or Switch? Not to start a flame war, but simply out, some of us won't play corrupt, and if this deck really shines tainted, not only won't many of us use it, personally, I'm concerned with the possibilities of several corrupt dragon tournament wins. Now, I DON'T want this thread to devolve into a corrupt vs. pure argument, I just want to know what kind of decks Hakene tested. Hitomi Ikazuchi Dragon Clan Barbarian Monk http://citadel.cryhavok.org - The Citadel of the Golden Dragon From togashilove at hotmail.com Mon Nov 25 15:39:12 2002 From: togashilove at hotmail.com (John Panagiotakis) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:08 2003 Subject: [Dragon] Obsidian & Jade Message-ID: Greetings, Matt Dalen wrote: > >Well, that's kind of the point... It wouldn't be 1000 years of darkness if >everyone was happy, would it? Granted, I wish they had just ignored the >ninja completely and had Hitomi become a kind of dictator, but you can't >have everything, I guess... > >Tamori Shosei (Matt Dalen) I didn't say that I disliked the sudden change towards the shadow, just the ending of Hitomi's duel with Yakamo. ___Togashi Agozatsu___ *Dragon Clan Samurai*Monk*Tattooed* Acolyte_of_Maths*Storyteller*exp* *Will only join the Dragon or Scorpion clan* "Each path that is true is dangerous. If there is no one to bar your way, no challenge to overcome, then you know that the choice is honorless." -Hitomi ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From baz at thedragonclan.com Mon Nov 25 13:45:45 2002 From: baz at thedragonclan.com (Hitomi Hokosaki) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:08 2003 Subject: [dragon] Shiro Tamori In-Reply-To: <37615.10.3.36.17.1038230476.squirrel@webmail.cryhavok.org> References: <117.1b33f164.2b131ddc@aol.com> <37615.10.3.36.17.1038230476.squirrel@webmail.cryhavok.org> Message-ID: <20021125134545.A21705@matrix.netsoc.tcd.ie> > > I tested the new Stronghold during the last week and at least in the BB > > card range is powerfull. I think we will like it ;-) > > Not to start a flame war, but simply out, some of us won't play corrupt, > and if this deck really shines tainted, not only won't many of us use it, > personally, I'm concerned with the possibilities of several corrupt dragon > tournament wins. I seem to be getting the impression that people are worried that corrupt military is the strongest deck type for Shiro Tamori, would this be a fair assessment? Personally I've found Mirumoto Switch to be my strongest form so far and thats without any easy ROV access. While I can see corrupt military having potential (one corrupt deck in testing) I think the idea that corruption=power can blind you to full potential and ouwl definately be interested in the findings of those players experimenting with the honourable Shiro Tamori deck styles (Mirumoto Switch, Tamori Honour and Monk Military mainly). Hitomi Hokosaki www.dragonstrategy.net From ikazuchi at cryhavok.org Mon Nov 25 08:56:52 2002 From: ikazuchi at cryhavok.org (Hitomi Ikazuchi) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:08 2003 Subject: [dragon] Shiro Tamori In-Reply-To: <20021125134545.A21705@matrix.netsoc.tcd.ie> References: <117.1b33f164.2b131ddc@aol.com> <37615.10.3.36.17.1038230476.squirrel@webmail.cryhavok.org> <20021125134545.A21705@matrix.netsoc.tcd.ie> Message-ID: <41021.10.3.36.17.1038232612.squirrel@webmail.cryhavok.org> >> > I tested the new Stronghold during the last week and at least in the >> BB card range is powerfull. I think we will like it ;-) >> >> Not to start a flame war, but simply out, some of us won't play >> corrupt, and if this deck really shines tainted, not only won't many >> of us use it, personally, I'm concerned with the possibilities of >> several corrupt dragon tournament wins. > > I seem to be getting the impression that people are worried that corrupt > military is the strongest deck type for Shiro Tamori, would this be a > fair assessment? Personally I've found Mirumoto Switch to be my > strongest form so far and thats without any easy ROV access. While I can > see corrupt military having potential (one corrupt deck in testing) I > think the idea that corruption=power can blind you to full potential and > ouwl definately be interested in the findings of those players > experimenting with the honourable Shiro Tamori deck styles (Mirumoto > Switch, Tamori Honour and Monk Military mainly). > > Hitomi Hokosaki > www.dragonstrategy.net I won't say I'm not worried about Shiro Tamori being very potent doing corrupt military, and to be honest I'm excited to finally be able to do something besides honor run and lose alot with enlightenment. I can't wait fot tattooed samurai/monk smash. However, if, like Yogo Towers, corrupt gold/voitagi/taint-in-general will greatly speed up the deck arch-type, that's a concern to me. I don't mind people who are actively trying t taint the dragon, that's how they want to play the game, and while I may argue with the In Character, OOC I think they've got as much a right to enjoy the game and puch their motives as I do. It's the possibilty of large amounts of corrupt bandwagoning that concerns me. Hitomi Ikazuchi Dragon Clan Barbarian Monk http://citadel.cryhavok.org - Citadel of the Golden Dragon From kitsuki.mitsu at wanadoo.fr Mon Nov 25 15:16:19 2002 From: kitsuki.mitsu at wanadoo.fr (Kitsuki Mitsu) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:08 2003 Subject: [dragon] Shiro Tamori References: <117.1b33f164.2b131ddc@aol.com> <37615.10.3.36.17.1038230476.squirrel@webmail.cryhavok.org> <20021125134545.A21705@matrix.netsoc.tcd.ie> <41021.10.3.36.17.1038232612.squirrel@webmail.cryhavok.org> Message-ID: <010101c2948d$39987eb0$1d160f50@OrdiOlivier> I don't think the best type for Shiro Tamori is the corrupt one. The more i think about it, the more i guess it' s enlightment that suit best to him. Where short minded people -its ironic! Please don't flame- just see Darkness, i just see enlightment. But that's not surprise for me , because the border is thin like love and hate. KM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hitomi Ikazuchi" To: Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [dragon] Shiro Tamori > >> > I tested the new Stronghold during the last week and at least in the > >> BB card range is powerfull. I think we will like it ;-) > >> > >> Not to start a flame war, but simply out, some of us won't play > >> corrupt, and if this deck really shines tainted, not only won't many > >> of us use it, personally, I'm concerned with the possibilities of > >> several corrupt dragon tournament wins. > > > > I seem to be getting the impression that people are worried that corrupt > > military is the strongest deck type for Shiro Tamori, would this be a > > fair assessment? Personally I've found Mirumoto Switch to be my > > strongest form so far and thats without any easy ROV access. While I can > > see corrupt military having potential (one corrupt deck in testing) I > > think the idea that corruption=power can blind you to full potential and > > ouwl definately be interested in the findings of those players > > experimenting with the honourable Shiro Tamori deck styles (Mirumoto > > Switch, Tamori Honour and Monk Military mainly). > > > > Hitomi Hokosaki > > www.dragonstrategy.net > > I won't say I'm not worried about Shiro Tamori being very potent doing > corrupt military, and to be honest I'm excited to finally be able to do > something besides honor run and lose alot with enlightenment. I can't wait > fot tattooed samurai/monk smash. > > However, if, like Yogo Towers, corrupt gold/voitagi/taint-in-general will > greatly speed up the deck arch-type, that's a concern to me. > I don't mind people who are actively trying t taint the dragon, that's how > they want to play the game, and while I may argue with the In Character, > OOC I think they've got as much a right to enjoy the game and puch their > motives as I do. It's the possibilty of large amounts of corrupt > bandwagoning that concerns me. > > Hitomi Ikazuchi > Dragon Clan Barbarian Monk > http://citadel.cryhavok.org - Citadel of the Golden Dragon > > > > _______________________________________________ > Dragon mailing list > Dragon@michonline.com > http://michonline.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dragon > From TaintedTattoo at aol.com Mon Nov 25 09:50:14 2002 From: TaintedTattoo at aol.com (TaintedTattoo@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:09 2003 Subject: [dragon] Shiro Tamori Message-ID: <103.20041916.2b1392a6@aol.com> ikazuchi@cryhavok.org: > Not to sound like an ass, but the decks you tested, were they corrupt? > Attack or Honor or Switch? > > Not to start a flame war, but simply out, some of us won't play corrupt, > and if this deck really shines tainted, not only won't many of us use it, > personally, I'm concerned with the possibilities of several corrupt dragon > tournament wins. > > Now, I DON'T want this thread to devolve into a corrupt vs. pure argument, > I just want to know what kind of decks Hakene tested. > > Hitomi Ikazuchi > Dragon Clan Barbarian Monk > http://citadel.cryhavok.org - The Citadel of the Golden Dragon The decks were tainted. But I don?t think this is necessary. I just enjoy to attach Parasitic Oni at Shokan-sama?s back. The deck I tested was a switch deck, but it seems to me that the Shiro Tamori reduces the ammount of battle cards you need. With Shadows Claw a Duelling only deck could be possible,too. But it?s useless to talk about all of that until we have seen all new cards. Manly because we don?t know what other clans wil get. Hitomi Hakene Dragon Clan Tattooed Shadowlands Madmen "Sometimes you must embrace the darkness to ascend in light" Visit Shrine of the new Moon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20021125/8ceb6e70/attachment.html From hsendatsu at hotmail.com Mon Nov 25 15:05:48 2002 From: hsendatsu at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?B?VG9t4XMgUGVsbPNu?=) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:09 2003 Subject: [dragon] Re: [L5RMadrid] Rumores d cartas (spoiler) Message-ID: >From: David Rego >Reply-To: L5RMadrid@yahoogroups.com >To: L5RMadrid@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [L5RMadrid] Rumores d cartas >Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 06:51:42 -0800 (PST) > >Parece ser q alguna tienda ha adelantado 1 semanita el pre-release y ya se >est?n posteando algunas cartas (d todas formas, puede ser 1 rumor). Aqui >van: > >The Time Is Not Right >action card. zero gold cost. >Political Reaction: Bow one of your Courtiers when one of your >Personalities is targeted with a Limited action to cancel the action. >3 focus value > >Broken Words-Event >The next time this game a personality issues a challenge and loses that >duel, that personality's controller loses 7 honor. > >Keen Eye-action card >zero gold cost, 3 focus value >reaction: negate the effects of a reaction taken by another player during a >challenge or duel involving one of your personalities. draw a fate card. > >Let Courage Guide Me-action card >zero cold cost, 2 focus value >Battle: straighten a samurai personality with the double chi trait or with >more than 2 personal honor. > >Strike at the Soul-action card >zero gold cost, 1 focus value >reaction: after a strike is declared in a duel involving one of your >personalities, bow one of that personality's weapons to reduce his or her >opponents chi by the weapons printed chi bonus, to a minimum of 1. > >Now face Me-action card >zero gold cost, 3 focus value >Limited: one of your personalities issues an unrefusable challenge to a >personality with one or more of the same faction traits. >Limited: one of your shadowlands personalities issues an unrefusable >challenge to a shadowlands personality. > >Mirumoto's Haori-item >2 gold cost-3 focus value >+0/+1 >reaction: bow mirumoto's haori after this personality wins a duel to >shuffle one of the cards you focused in that duel into your deck instead of >discarding it. > >trickster spirits-action card >0 gold cost, 3 focus value >Limited: target a non-shadowlands personality you control who is not a >member of your faction. search your fate deck for a non-unique item and >attach it to that personality, paying all costs. shuffle your deck. > >Dotanuki-item >+2/+0 >4 gold cost, 3 focus value >dotanuki gains +2 chi while this personality opposes a personality with >less force in a duel. > >Kirei-follower >1 force-0 chi >shadowlands, nonhuman, lose 2 honor >Battle: fear 5 >2 focus value > >shiba takeishi >2 force-3 chi >4/7/2 >phoenix clan samurai >takeishi permantely gains +1 force/+1 chi for each of your phoenix clan >personalities destroyed while he is in play. > >recruiting drive-action card >0 gold cost, 3 focus value >Limited: for the rest of the turn, you may bring followers into play from >your discard pile. treat the followers as being played from your hand. > >Ya sabeis: La empresa no se responsbiliza de que la info sea falsa ni de >los da?os q esta informaci?n pueda causar. > >Daidoji Ryoru >Crane Clan Harrier * Samurai * Tetsu Tsuru* Defender Of Niwa Sita No Kage >Toshi >dregotim@teleco.nu >"So, you said that a big commercial city, core of the Daidoji-Yasuki trade >war and main defense of the Tidal Land Bridge dissapeared one night to be >replaced by a petty fishermen village? And you expect me to believe it????" >- Daidoji Ryoru, Defender of Niwa Sita no Kage Toshi Hitomi Sendatsu Dragon Clan Tattooed Samurai - Butei _________________________________________________________________ MSN Fotos: la forma m?s f?cil de compartir e imprimir fotos. http://photos.msn.es/support/worldwide.aspx From TaintedTattoo at aol.com Mon Nov 25 13:30:37 2002 From: TaintedTattoo at aol.com (TaintedTattoo@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:09 2003 Subject: [Dragon] Obsidian & Jade Message-ID: <194.10c68cc2.2b13c64d@aol.com> First of ll, I love Hitomi. Every story with Hitomi is pretty cool. Seeing her as the Lady of the Shadows is great. I like this idea. What I don?t like is the Kharmic Strike with Yakamo, but you can?t have all. At east I have the hope that Hitomi is only vanished, because a Jade Hand is not a Crystal Hand. Hope is the last to die ;-) What I like is the Mitsu thing. I really like it when important personalitys have to choose the lesser of two evils ;-) Hitomi Hakene Dragon Clan Tattooed Shadowlands Madmen "Sometimes you must embrace the darkness to ascend in light." Visit Shrine of the new Moon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20021125/9a679381/attachment.html From jake2002 at sio.midco.net Mon Nov 25 13:13:48 2002 From: jake2002 at sio.midco.net (Eric Jacobson) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:09 2003 Subject: [dragon] Latest Fiction References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021123034158.01d605a8@postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu> Message-ID: <005101c294b6$c8dbc540$ae92dc18@midco.net> > > S > > P > > O > > I > > L > > E > > R > > > S > > P > > A > > C > > E > > ^_^. But it would seem that some of the Kokujin supporters are right... > he's actually not controlled by the taint. He's just an INSANE > MURDERER He's Rokugan's own Hannibal Lector and Red Dragon combined. I have never understood why people like these characters. Hitomi Jaek Dragon Clan Laughseeker * Shugenja * Monk * Tattooed "So this Akodo walks into the sake-house..." From jake2002 at sio.midco.net Mon Nov 25 13:29:57 2002 From: jake2002 at sio.midco.net (Eric Jacobson) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:09 2003 Subject: [dragon] Gold Schemein' References: Message-ID: <006501c294b9$09de0100$ae92dc18@midco.net> > I run this scheme > > 3x GM > 3x JW > 3x SF > 3x MD > 2x HD > 1x FoD > > and I almost never get gold screwed because I dont need the extra money that > you need to buy those ST or FG or KTT or whatever. I guess I just figured I > would put in my two cents. > > Sure. Ever faced a new age Scorpion Dishonor deck? If you get to buy in anyone for honor after 5th turn, you'd better hope you can go military. If you plan to honor run by personality PH alone how do you deal with Deeds, Company You Keep, Lies + Shame??? Do you either accept duels and die or do you refuse and seppukku, but wait...you're running mystics which means you have shugenja which means you must just let all your good high PH people die. What kind of personality base do you use? Unless you're playing military, which you wouldn't be since you responded to a post about gold schemes for honor runners. Which, in your defense, was quite fully labelled as such, so all would be forgiven. Of course, all the military decks (okay, all that win facing runners) play Sanctifieds or Lesser Shrines (Lion)...at least one to keep them out of PH troubles for their uber-peeps. Unless, of course, you're running a lot of fate protection for the above problems. What do you tweak out in order to fit this protection in? Ugh...my head hurts. Hitomi Jaek Dragon Clan Laughseeker * Shugenja * Monk * Tattooed "You know you over-analyze when someone tells you, 'You think too much!' and you ask, 'What does that mean?'" From jake2002 at sio.midco.net Mon Nov 25 13:41:33 2002 From: jake2002 at sio.midco.net (Eric Jacobson) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:09 2003 Subject: [dragon] Gold Schemein' References: Message-ID: <006d01c294ba$a8ba3a40$ae92dc18@midco.net> > So, something came to my mind about a week ago. Most Dragon honor runners > have been running Sancts since the beginning of gold edition but why? > Because they provide versatility that we need to honor run and buy gold at > the same time. Well instead of this I thought, "Why not just scrap Sactified > temples all together?" So I came up with this gold scheme. > Try something different! A good idea, if nothing other than to stimulate conversation on something other than Shiro Tamori and Corruption/Purity ; ). > 3x GM > 3x TG > 3x HD > 3x MD > 3x JW > 2x G+F > 1x Shinmaki > with 3x FG for honor holdings. > > *note: this will change slightly with Shrine of the Sun. (thanks Zembu-san) > Interesting, at least. Trading Grounds (TG) buy out everything and are bought out by everything that produce gold. Also cost effective by analysis, no? 7 gold is reasonable for a good solid personality. Treat the Fantastic Gardens as personalities instead of gold holdings and see how this frees up your scheme. Just a thought. Is there ever any reason to run more than one Gifts and Favors? Anyone else waiting for that second Gold Mine? Everyone else is getting theirs... How did this actually perform for you in game conditions. Does it hold to your estimations and calculations. Sorry if you included, but I did not get the "fully playtested" sense out of this, more of 'just trying it out now.' > By the way, alot of your honor gains should be coming from your fate anyway. > We are the kings of fate manipulation and if your victory condition is honor > then you better be using your advantages to your full advantage. That is > also why this gold scheme works. It doesn't rely on honor holdings like > fantastics they just help you along when they show up at the right moment. > Here is true brilliance, saved for last, of course. Iaijutsu Arts and Challenges and cheap, high chi people give us honor to start and create problems for our opponents. Then continued fate manipulation and production of resources begin to supply for the long haul. I like it. Throw in some PK and I think we could have something special! "No honor gaining actions in my hand. Guess I'll have to kill your Aikune. You don't need him do you?" Hitomi Jaek Dragon Clan Laughseeker * Shugenja * Monk * Tattooed "You know you're overly analytical when someone says, 'You think too much!' and you ask, 'What does that mean?'" From chron_d at hotmail.com Mon Nov 25 20:15:43 2002 From: chron_d at hotmail.com (Chrondeath Dracion) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:09 2003 Subject: [dragon] New Cards Message-ID: "David Carlson" wrote: > >"Firek" wrote: > > > >Did you see does cards? > >If not you should read them... > > > > > >Broken Words-Event > >The next time this game a personality issues a challenge and loses > >that duel, that personality's controller loses 7 honor. > >Um...weird... Who's going to run this, exactly? Decks that fear duels but can still win them? > >Keen Eye-action card > >zero gold cost, 3 focus value > >reaction: negate the effects of a reaction taken by another player > >during a challenge or duel involving one of your personalities. >draw a >fate card. > >*sighs* Darnit. Anti duel-meta. No more Poisoned Weapons for me...but >it does stop Kakita Tech...nope, I still hate it... Kwanchi, Shosuro Technique, Poisoned Weapon, Kakita Technique, Blackened Claws...doesn't do anything against Another Time or Kharmic Strike, but it's a 3-focus counter that draws you a card. Note that since it negates rather than cancels, IIRC, if it was a reaction on a card in play they won't be able to just do it again. > >Let Courage Guide Me-action card > >zero cold cost, 2 focus value > >Battle: straighten a samurai personality with the double chi trait or >with > >more than 2 personal honor. > >This makes me hope that these cards are rumors. This in a SM Lion deck is >siiiick.... Shiro Matsu? Well, they can't straighten guys between attacks, and I don't see how the guys bowed from the first attack are going to get into battle again to get unbowed. > >Strike at the Soul-action card > >zero gold cost, 1 focus value > >reaction: after a strike is declared in a duel involving one of your > >personalities, bow one of that personality's weapons to reduce his or her > >opponents chi by the weapons printed chi bonus, to a minimum of 1. > >Um...weird...but cool with an item deck, perhaps... Depending on the items you run, it's a Poisoned Weapon without the honor loss. With Masume Wakizashi, it seems most likely to be BLaR + Strike with No Thought. I don't know about the 1-focus, though. > >Now face Me-action card > >zero gold cost, 3 focus value > >Limited: one of your personalities issues an unrefusable challenge to a > >personality with one or more of the same faction traits. > >Limited: one of your shadowlands personalities issues an unrefusable > >challenge to a shadowlands personality. > >Oooohhhh man! Play the courtier action that lets you take a personality, >align them with Oath or Make your Choice. They go back at end of turn. You >duel them. They die. Comborific. And coooool.... > > >Mirumoto's Haori-item > >2 gold cost-3 focus value > >+0/+1 > >reaction: bow mirumoto's haori after this personality wins a duel to > >shuffle > >one of the cards you focused in that duel into your deck instead of > >discarding it > >I like this. Good in an item deck. Good in a dedicated dueler. Cheap. Gives >a Chi bonus. Let's you focus away good stuff w/o having to worry about it >being forever gone. Ability isn't too good--doesn't help you duel, doesn't give you back cards. You still lost the card, you just might draw it again later. I can't see it being worth a card slot, unless you want to run Elegant Kimono and have a fashion show. +--+ |\/| -Mirumoto Kharon |/\| chron_d@hotmail.com +--+ Telekinesis: It's the thought that counts. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From oldmaiz0r at yahoo.com Mon Nov 25 12:20:34 2002 From: oldmaiz0r at yahoo.com (oldmaizor) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:09 2003 Subject: [dragon] Gold Schemein' In-Reply-To: <006d01c294ba$a8ba3a40$ae92dc18@midco.net> Message-ID: <20021125202034.13910.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> > Is there ever any reason to run more than one Gifts > and Favors? Depends on how paranoid you are. This is what happened to me and a few other people who run just one: First turn all personalities. I discard 3 personalities and refill. Go to end phase, bow my stronghold, look for Gifts and Favors. Can't find it. Look at my 3 face-down dynasty cards... doh! I run two now cause I'm just that unlucky. =) Gifts and Favors: Bow Gifts and Favors to produce 2 Gold. Reaction: During your End Phase, if you've brought not Gold-producing Holdings into play this turn, bow your Stronghold to retrieve Gifts and Favors from your deck and put it into play, bowed. Shuffle your deck. oldmaiz0r __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus – Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From mkd8 at cornell.edu Mon Nov 25 15:24:52 2002 From: mkd8 at cornell.edu (Matt Dalen) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:09 2003 Subject: [dragon] New Cards In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20021125152411.01d2f398@postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu> At 03:15 PM 11/25/2002,, you wrote: >"David Carlson" wrote: >> >>"Firek" wrote: >> > >> >Did you see does cards? >> >If not you should read them... >> > >> > >> >Broken Words-Event >> >The next time this game a personality issues a challenge and loses >> >that duel, that personality's controller loses 7 honor. >> >>Um...weird... > >Who's going to run this, exactly? Decks that fear duels but can still win >them? The only immediate combo that springs to mind is Higatsuku. Force them to challenge you, then win and make them lose 7 honor. Iffy, though. Tamori Shosei (Matt Dalen) Dragon Clan Alchemist * Shugenja * Jade Hand Webmaster * Self Proclaimed Yu Master "Alchemy is tedious work. Making things blow up is merely an entertaining bonus." From shines_through at hotmail.com Mon Nov 25 20:29:46 2002 From: shines_through at hotmail.com (Seth Grier) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:09 2003 Subject: [dragon] Gold Schemein' Message-ID: I was going to say it but it looks like oldmaizor said it for me. But even better, say you get a Hiruma Dojo, Gold morks, event, and a personality. You junk your two people and then bow your SH to get Gift's and favors. You just got deeper into your gold scheme faster and next turn you can get both the GM and HD. This works when any gold holding and a two gold cost holding shows up and it prevents that chance of getting screwed b/c you refill your provinces before getting G+F. -Mirumoto Kieken "He who spits at God, spits in his own face." >From: oldmaizor > > Is there ever any reason to run more than one Gifts > > and Favors? > >Depends on how paranoid you are. This is what happened >to me and a few other people who run just one: >First turn all personalities. I discard 3 >personalities and refill. Go to end phase, bow my >stronghold, look for Gifts and Favors. Can't find it. >Look at my 3 face-down dynasty cards... doh! > >I run two now cause I'm just that unlucky. =) > >Gifts and Favors: >Bow Gifts and Favors to produce 2 Gold. Reaction: >During your End Phase, if you've brought not >Gold-producing Holdings into play this turn, bow your >Stronghold to retrieve Gifts and Favors from your deck >and put it into play, bowed. Shuffle your deck. > >oldmaiz0r _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From ben at strangecompany.org Mon Nov 25 20:41:16 2002 From: ben at strangecompany.org (Ben Moss) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:09 2003 Subject: [dragon] Wolf/Snow Dragon Tattoo References: Message-ID: <00c901c294c3$28778410$f839fea9@spaniel> From: "Togashi Ryoushi" Subject: Re: [dragon] Wolf/Snow Dragon Tattoo > > Snow Dragon Tatoo > > Nah... this is Matsuo trademark, and I hope it remains so for a bit at > least. It would be cool to get the tattoo in Diamond but not too soon! :) > > And btw, do we know which are Matsuo's 7 tattoes? > 1-Centipede > 2-Wolf > 3-Snow Dragon > 4-Eagle (from the King of Trolls story) > > any other? I seem to remember him having a hare tattoo as well in the King of Trolls story. Intriguingly it seemed to fill the same role for him as Mitsu's centipede tattoo. I believe that both the wolf and hare tattooes are also covered in one of the recent rpg supplements (though I can't remember which one). The hare one let you move fast but you couldn't fight while using it or something similar and I can't remember what wolf did (tracking?) Hitomi Touken From shines_through at hotmail.com Mon Nov 25 20:43:57 2002 From: shines_through at hotmail.com (Seth Grier) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:09 2003 Subject: [dragon] Gold Schemein' Message-ID: >From: "Eric Jacobson" > > So, something came to my mind about a week ago. Most Dragon honor >runners > > have been running Sancts since the beginning of gold edition but why? > > Because they provide versatility that we need to honor run and buy gold >at > > the same time. Well instead of this I thought, "Why not just scrap >Sactified > > temples all together?" So I came up with this gold scheme. > > > >Try something different! A good idea, if nothing other than to stimulate >conversation on something other than Shiro Tamori and Corruption/Purity ; >). Thank you. ^_^ > > > 3x GM > > 3x TG > > 3x HD > > 3x MD > > 3x JW > > 2x G+F > > 1x Shinmaki > > with 3x FG for honor holdings. > > > > *note: this will change slightly with Shrine of the Sun. (thanks >Zembu-san) > > *snip* >7 gold is reasonable for a good solid personality. Treat the Fantastic >Gardens as personalities instead of gold holdings and see how this frees up >your scheme. Just a thought. True to some extent. But, you can't use TG for 4 gold on a personality and a personality won't keep gaining you honor (unless they're dueling but the rest should already be taking care of that). And if you're hit with early honor loss FG allows you to free up gold on subsequent turns to continue getting yourself out of the hole. Great thought though and if I do drop any FG's peeps are going in for them. ^_^ *snip* >How did this actually perform for you in game conditions. Does it hold to >your estimations and calculations. Sorry if you included, but I did not >get >the "fully playtested" sense out of this, more of 'just trying it out now.' > Well, I wouldn't say "fully playtested". But then again I have playtested it to some extent (not enough though) and it has performed exceedingly well. Not to mention the tons of times I've gold fished with it, which although not real environment (and I know there's a big difference) can be a good indicator of how a deck will perform. And this is by far my fastest deck. But alot of that comes from this next little bit right below here. > > By the way, alot of your honor gains should be coming from your fate >anyway. > > We are the kings of fate manipulation and if your victory condition is >honor > > then you better be using your advantages to your full advantage. That is > > also why this gold scheme works. It doesn't rely on honor holdings like > > fantastics they just help you along when they show up at the right >moment. > > > >Here is true brilliance, saved for last, of course. Iaijutsu Arts and >Challenges and cheap, high chi people give us honor to start and create >problems for our opponents. Then continued fate manipulation and >production >of resources begin to supply for the long haul. I like it. Throw in some >PK and I think we could have something special! > >"No honor gaining actions in my hand. Guess I'll have to kill your Aikune. >You don't need him do you?" Wow, well thank you for such a high compliment. ^_^ But honestly that's dead on with the PK. Running those honor gaining actions from the fate side and support it with pkill, judgement/shame/ToD etc...is going to be exploiting your resources to the fullest. >Hitomi Jaek >Dragon Clan Laughseeker * Shugenja * Monk * Tattooed > >"You know you're overly analytical when someone says, > 'You think too much!' and you ask, 'What does that mean?'" Good stuff, and thanks for all of the comments. I appreciate them. And good discussion too! -Mirumoto Kieken "He who spits at God, spits in his own face." _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From dhanauer at vt.edu Mon Nov 25 17:35:53 2002 From: dhanauer at vt.edu (Donald Hanauer, II) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:09 2003 Subject: [dragon] New Cards In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20021125173553.0079de50@mail.vt.edu> >Shiro Matsu? Well, they can't straighten guys between attacks, and I don't >see how the guys bowed from the first attack are going to get into battle >again to get unbowed. Sure they can. It's called Matsu Hyun, who straightens Tacticians (who, incidentally, keep their force bonus) as an Open action. Mirumoto Taikishi Dragon Clan Duelist * Toturi's Army Samurai * Wolf Legion Bounty Hunter #486 From tfis4453 at mail.usyd.edu.au Tue Nov 26 09:40:58 2002 From: tfis4453 at mail.usyd.edu.au (Tom) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:09 2003 Subject: [dragon] Re: Dragon digest, Vol 1 #656 - 4 msgs In-Reply-To: <20021125123839.14867.75.Mailman@michonline.com> References: <20021125123839.14867.75.Mailman@michonline.com> Message-ID: <1038264058.3de2a6fa773ca@www-mail.usyd.edu.au> > >Let Courage Guide Me-action card > >zero cold cost, 2 focus value > >Battle: straighten a samurai personality with the double chi trait or with > >more than 2 personal honor. > > This makes me hope that these cards are rumors. This in a SM Lion deck is > siiiick.... Don't panic yet. It's a battle action, which means that you can't unbow your Chunky 3PH Lion Tacs for the next attack. Still handy for Lion, just not as a SM combo. Pity. Ikoma Tayorinai Lion Clan Samurai * Cavalry ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: www-mail.usyd.edu.au From gorshtak at wanadoo.fr Mon Nov 25 23:58:26 2002 From: gorshtak at wanadoo.fr (damien despaquis) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:10 2003 Subject: [dragon] Wolf/Snow Dragon Tattoo References: <00c901c294c3$28778410$f839fea9@spaniel> Message-ID: <3DD0D427007F8B6E@mel-rta8.wanadoo.fr> (added by postmaster@wanadoo.fr) >Messsage du 25/11/2002 20:41 >De : >A : >Copie ? : >Objet : Re: [dragon] Wolf/Snow Dragon Tattoo > > From: "Togashi Ryoushi" > Subject: Re: [dragon] Wolf/Snow Dragon Tattoo > > > > > Snow Dragon Tatoo > > > > Nah... this is Matsuo trademark, and I hope it remains so for a bit at > > least. It would be cool to get the tattoo in Diamond but not too soon! :) > > > > And btw, do we know which are Matsuo's 7 tattoes? > > 1-Centipede > > 2-Wolf > > 3-Snow Dragon > > 4-Eagle (from the King of Trolls story) > > > > any other? > > I seem to remember him having a hare tattoo as well in the King of Trolls > story. Intriguingly it seemed to fill the same role for him as Mitsu's > centipede tattoo. I believe that both the wolf and hare tattooes are also > covered in one of the recent rpg supplements (though I can't remember which > one). The hare one let you move fast but you couldn't fight while using it > or something similar and I can't remember what wolf did (tracking?) > > Hitomi Touken > that's:"Way of the Samourai" Kokujin Kaze Dark Acolyte of Water > > _______________________________________________ > Dragon mailing list > Dragon@michonline.com > http://michonline.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dragon > From TalanosVyr at aol.com Mon Nov 25 18:11:47 2002 From: TalanosVyr at aol.com (TalanosVyr@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:10 2003 Subject: [dragon] Thanksgiving Weekend Message-ID: <64.28badadf.2b140833@aol.com> Just wondering if there is anything planned for the holiday weekend in my hometown of South Portland, ME. I'll be heading home for the holiday and will have my deck with me. Kitsuki Gonzaga Professional List Lurker :-) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20021125/cab7a1a8/attachment.html From mirumoto_ryudo at hotmail.com Mon Nov 25 17:21:54 2002 From: mirumoto_ryudo at hotmail.com (Steven LaFollette) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:10 2003 Subject: [dragon] Gold Schemein' Message-ID: >From: "Eric Jacobson" >Reply-To: dragon@michonline.com >To: >Subject: Re: [dragon] Gold Schemein' >Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 13:29:57 -0600 > > > I run this scheme > > > > 3x GM > > 3x JW > > 3x SF > > 3x MD > > 2x HD > > 1x FoD > > > > and I almost never get gold screwed because I dont need the extra money >that > > you need to buy those ST or FG or KTT or whatever. I guess I just >figured >I > > would put in my two cents. > > > > > >Sure. Ever faced a new age Scorpion Dishonor deck? If you get to buy in >anyone for honor after 5th turn, you'd better hope you can go military. If >you plan to honor run by personality PH alone how do you deal with Deeds, >Company You Keep, Lies + Shame??? Did you just describe a 3 card combo? Do you know how hard that is to pull off? Just dont play anyone during the CyK turn. Duels and other honor gains via Miya Yemi, Hanabi, etc. help keep it close during those turns. Duels + Spells = dealt with. Do you either accept duels and die or do >you refuse and seppukku, but wait...you're running mystics which means you >have shugenja which means you must just let all your good high PH people >die. What kind of personality base do you use? 3x Chieko 3x Chosai 2x Hiroko Shaitung xp 3x Tsuge 2x Ukira Uso xp Reju xp Satsu Miya Yemi I really dont need to refuse duels. It is a negligble loss to lose anyone. No one is that important. On top of the fact that I can just TWT the honor gains from it, which is what I really want. > >Unless you're playing military, which you wouldn't be since you responded >to >a post about gold schemes for honor runners. Which, in your defense, was >quite fully labelled as such, so all would be forgiven. Of course, all the >military decks (okay, all that win facing runners) play Sanctifieds or >Lesser Shrines (Lion)...at least one to keep them out of PH troubles for >their uber-peeps. > >Unless, of course, you're running a lot of fate protection for the above >problems. What do you tweak out in order to fit this protection in? > I dont really need the protection. The normal clans and archetypes that I play against dont have these types of strategies. Lion, Crane, Dragon, Crab, and Ratling dont pack any of the above cards. I think my gold scheme is justified by my record. 30280. Check it if you want. Next time you post, try not to have the rude and condescending tone that was constant in this post. Thanks, Steven LaFollette Mirumoto Ryudo _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From TattooedSamurai at cs.com Mon Nov 25 18:38:55 2002 From: TattooedSamurai at cs.com (TattooedSamurai@cs.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:10 2003 Subject: [dragon] Gold Schemein' Message-ID: <124.1a869b0d.2b140e8f@cs.com> why dont you run gold smiths? x3-gold smith x3-gold mine x3-jade works x3-hiruma dojo x2-mystic dojo x2-shainto library x2-Gifts and favors this seems to work really good for me From mirumoto_ryudo at hotmail.com Mon Nov 25 17:49:57 2002 From: mirumoto_ryudo at hotmail.com (Steven LaFollette) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:10 2003 Subject: [dragon] Gold Schemein' Message-ID: an untimely Goldsmith causes the dilemma of a 4 gold cost holding only producing 2. I dont like to rely on luck. :) I also forgot to list the one Gifts and Favors that I also have. Mirumoto Ryudo Dragon Clan Samurai. Experienced. Togashi's Secretary. *Male*. Dragon Clan Flatterer. The Platinum Dragon. Can attach 2 Weapons. Unique. "Victory means nothing, the fight is everything." >From: TattooedSamurai@cs.com >Reply-To: dragon@michonline.com >To: dragon@michonline.com >Subject: Re: [dragon] Gold Schemein' >Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 18:38:55 EST > >why dont you run gold smiths? > >x3-gold smith >x3-gold mine >x3-jade works >x3-hiruma dojo >x2-mystic dojo >x2-shainto library >x2-Gifts and favors >this seems to work really good for me > >_______________________________________________ >Dragon mailing list >Dragon@michonline.com >http://michonline.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dragon _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From TattooedSamurai at cs.com Mon Nov 25 18:56:12 2002 From: TattooedSamurai at cs.com (TattooedSamurai@cs.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:10 2003 Subject: [dragon] Gold Schemein' Message-ID: <18e.1213625f.2b14129c@cs.com> In a message dated 11/25/2002 4:52:34 PM Mountain Standard Time, mirumoto_ryudo@hotmail.com writes: << an untimely Goldsmith causes the dilemma of a 4 gold cost holding only producing 2. I dont like to rely on luck. :) I also forgot to list the one Gifts and Favors that I also have. Mirumoto Ryudo >> ********* ok well... you have three gold mines which increase its productions, to possibly up to 6 gold. if not G.S. then what should it be replaced with? From tfis4453 at mail.usyd.edu.au Tue Nov 26 11:31:34 2002 From: tfis4453 at mail.usyd.edu.au (Tom) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:10 2003 Subject: [dragon] Re: Dragon digest, Vol 1 #658 - 12 msgs In-Reply-To: <20021125232301.3869.2082.Mailman@michonline.com> References: <20021125232301.3869.2082.Mailman@michonline.com> Message-ID: <1038270694.3de2c0e700ccb@www-mail.usyd.edu.au> > > >Shiro Matsu? Well, they can't straighten guys between attacks, and I don't > > >see how the guys bowed from the first attack are going to get into battle > >again to get unbowed. > > Sure they can. It's called Matsu Hyun, who straightens Tacticians (who, > incidentally, keep their force bonus) as an Open action. > > Mirumoto Taikishi > Dragon Clan Duelist * Toturi's Army Samurai * Wolf Legion > Bounty Hunter #486 Well, yeah, Hyun is one of the greatest personalities for Lion ever, plus she got to kill Nikushimi, but she operates entirely independently of this particular card. If she's already straightened them to get them into battle... then why does one pack this card? They don't need any more straightening once they get there. And since Yogo Towers is soon to go the way of the dodo in any case, I'm not entirely sure there is any need at all for this card in most lion decks. Earthquake, Test of Might, and the few other common battle-bowing actions just aren't that impressive. I guess this is more a discussion for the lion list. :) Sorry. Ikoma Tayorinai Lion Clan Samurai * Bowed * Cavalry * Matsu Hyun Fan Club ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: www-mail.usyd.edu.au From SLcpUnK420002 at aol.com Mon Nov 25 19:39:59 2002 From: SLcpUnK420002 at aol.com (SLcpUnK420002@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:10 2003 Subject: [dragon] Shiro Tamori Message-ID: In a message dated 11/25/2002 7:22:57 AM Central America Standard Ti, ikazuchi@cryhavok.org writes: > > Now, I DON'T want this thread to devolve into a corrupt vs. pure argument, > I just want to know what kind of decks Hakene tested. > > Hitomi Ikazuchi > Dragon Clan Barbarian Monk > http://citadel.cryhavok.org - The Citadel of the Golden Dragon > i esecially dont want that duel that was going ot happen around the release of gold editon. I thinkthat who ever plays dragon clan can play how they want. just i will not play corrupt! MIrumoto Jon Dragon clan Berserker*tattooed*Crab clan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20021125/6126b6a2/attachment.html From jake2002 at sio.midco.net Mon Nov 25 20:23:07 2002 From: jake2002 at sio.midco.net (Eric Jacobson) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:10 2003 Subject: [dragon] Gold Schemein' References: <20021125202034.13910.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00a001c294f2$c1e67e60$ae92dc18@midco.net> > Is there ever any reason to run more than one Gifts > and Favors? Depends on how paranoid you are. This is what happened to me and a few other people who run just one: First turn all personalities. I discard 3 personalities and refill. Go to end phase, bow my stronghold, look for Gifts and Favors. Can't find it. Look at my 3 face-down dynasty cards... doh! < Message-ID: <000f01c294f2$be177500$6401a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> > I dont really need the protection. The normal clans and archetypes that I > play against dont have these types of strategies. Lion, Crane, Dragon, Crab, > and Ratling dont pack any of the above cards. I think my gold scheme is > justified by my record. 30280. Check it if you want. > > Next time you post, try not to have the rude and condescending tone that was > constant in this post. > > Thanks, > > Steven LaFollette > Mirumoto Ryudo Not to meddle, but I'd like to point out that Hitomi Jaek was referring to Scorpion-- a clan which you clearly don't face in your own environment, but on the worldwide scale is one of the most powerful clans. Three to four brutally effective Scorps run at every local tournament I play in. It didn't seem to me that he wasn't being rude or condescending, rather trying to point out an important area where your deck might face challenges. Lion, Crane, Dragon, Crab and Ratling will not play Deeds all the time, or Shame. (Only one dishonor card plus Shame is necessary for the combo, not all three.) If you play Phoenix Control or Scorp Lockdown/Blitz, your deck will almost certainly have problems. Records are not necessarily something to beat others over the head with. That's *frighteningly* rude. Some environments are more forgiving than others, and some people manipulate their records through obscene tournament behaviour. (I'm not going to mention names, but they're around.) It's enough to say "my deck wins in my environment". I'm not gonna go so far as to say "points, schmoints". But the argument was not that your deck is not competitive, only that it looked vulnerable. Matsu Kinra (Ilan Muskat) Lion Clan Niten Samurai * Negotiator * Dragon Clan Student "There is always another way." From jake2002 at sio.midco.net Mon Nov 25 20:54:57 2002 From: jake2002 at sio.midco.net (Eric Jacobson) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:10 2003 Subject: [dragon] Gold Schemein' References: Message-ID: <00ac01c294f7$34aa3c80$ae92dc18@midco.net> > > > So, something came to my mind about a week ago. Most Dragon honor > >runners > > > have been running Sancts since the beginning of gold edition but why? > > > Because they provide versatility that we need to honor run and buy gold > >at > > > the same time. Well instead of this I thought, "Why not just scrap > >Sactified > > > temples all together?" So I came up with this gold scheme. > > > > > > >Try something different! A good idea, if nothing other than to stimulate > >conversation on something other than Shiro Tamori and Corruption/Purity ; > >). > > Thank you. ^_^ > Don't mention it! I'm trying to encourage some thought in people...thinking outside the box, your local playgroup...etc. We've got to do something to stop being the Empire's bridesmaids. > >7 gold is reasonable for a good solid personality. Treat the Fantastic > >Gardens as personalities instead of gold holdings and see how this frees up > >your scheme. Just a thought. > > True to some extent. But, you can't use TG for 4 gold on a personality and a > personality won't keep gaining you honor (unless they're dueling but the > rest should already be taking care of that). And if you're hit with early > honor loss FG allows you to free up gold on subsequent turns to continue > getting yourself out of the hole. Great thought though and if I do drop any > FG's peeps are going in for them. ^_^ > Touche'. That just makes them stronger. I will HAVE to try this with my PK deck. I find I use my Sancts way too often to buy more resources. I'll have to see if I can combine using the Trading Grounds and the Fantastic Gardens. 7 gold is scary to commit to. I think that's why we haven't really done it. If I consider 2 of them as personalities, I think it will help. > *snip* > > >How did this actually perform for you in game conditions. Does it hold to > >your estimations and calculations. Sorry if you included, but I did not > >get > >the "fully playtested" sense out of this, more of 'just trying it out now.' > > > Well, I wouldn't say "fully playtested". But then again I have playtested it > to some extent (not enough though) and it has performed exceedingly well. > Not to mention the tons of times I've gold fished with it, which although > not real environment (and I know there's a big difference) can be a good > indicator of how a deck will perform. And this is by far my fastest deck. > But alot of that comes from this next little bit right below here. > Let us know how it continues to perform... > > > By the way, alot of your honor gains should be coming from your fate > >anyway. > > > We are the kings of fate manipulation and if your victory condition is > >honor > > > then you better be using your advantages to your full advantage. That is > > > also why this gold scheme works. It doesn't rely on honor holdings like > > > fantastics they just help you along when they show up at the right > >moment. > > > > > > >Here is true brilliance, saved for last, of course. Iaijutsu Arts and > >Challenges and cheap, high chi people give us honor to start and create > >problems for our opponents. Then continued fate manipulation and > >production > >of resources begin to supply for the long haul. I like it. Throw in some > >PK and I think we could have something special! > > > >"No honor gaining actions in my hand. Guess I'll have to kill your Aikune. > >You don't need him do you?" > > Wow, well thank you for such a high compliment. ^_^ But honestly that's dead > on with the PK. Running those honor gaining actions from the fate side and > support it with pkill, judgement/shame/ToD etc...is going to be exploiting > your resources to the fullest. > Coming through with an new subject that challenges us all to look at how we play is asking to be flamed. I just thought I'd continue to encourage it. It should get more involved. I like to hear some others with big tournament experience to weigh in on this (Rob, KC, Scott, Barry, anybody???). > Good stuff, and thanks for all of the comments. I appreciate them. And good > discussion too! > Again, no need to mention it. Let's keep this thread. I think we've had an analysis of people that fits pretty well already with what we have, although with the recent additions, may need to be revisited. What about the value of PK cards to cost? Hitomi Jaek Dragon Clan Laughseeker * Shugenja * Monk * Tattooed "You know you're overly analytical when someone says, 'You think too much!' and you ask, 'What does that mean?'" From jake2002 at sio.midco.net Mon Nov 25 21:12:08 2002 From: jake2002 at sio.midco.net (Eric Jacobson) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:10 2003 Subject: [dragon] Gold Schemein' References: Message-ID: <00bd01c294f9$9b31e0a0$ae92dc18@midco.net> > >Sure. Ever faced a new age Scorpion Dishonor deck? If you get to buy in > >anyone for honor after 5th turn, you'd better hope you can go military. If > >you plan to honor run by personality PH alone how do you deal with Deeds, > >Company You Keep, Lies + Shame??? > > Did you just describe a 3 card combo? Do you know how hard that is to pull > off? Just dont play anyone during the CyK turn. Duels and other honor gains > via Miya Yemi, Hanabi, etc. help keep it close during those turns. > Yeah. I know, but with one of the two playgroups I play in, it happens VERY regularly. In fact, I do it quite regularly. I'm known for playing with combos of more than 2 or 3 cards. Synergy is the power. Lies = great card for the scorp deck I mentioned. They can also run Marries, I Art, and Secrets. Tossing in Shame only makes sense. Tossing in CyK also makes sense. The problem with new wave scorp is if you just don't buy people out on the turn they do that, you'll probably also lose 1 honor to suspicions and possibly 2 more to Tjeki. If they run In Time of War, you can't make it up later. They start turning up the pressure. Then they sit back and run on you, or keep up the honor hits until you lose by dishonor. The worst part is, for everyone else these are 1 or 2 use cards in a game. Scorps can do them over and over and over and over... Once you get below 0 honor, you're in a world of hurt unless you run only - honor people, come out really, really fast, or run some dishonor protection. Or play Shadowlands....scary. If you don't buy people out, then they start with the PK. The can handle most duels really well, anti-duel meta being built in. Granted, ultimately, it comes down to how the decks come out. Any deck can fall on its face with a little bad luck. > Duels + Spells = dealt with. > > > Do you either accept duels and die or do > >you refuse and seppukku, but wait...you're running mystics which means you > >have shugenja which means you must just let all your good high PH people > >die. What kind of personality base do you use? > > 3x Chieko > 3x Chosai > 2x Hiroko > Shaitung xp > 3x Tsuge > 2x Ukira > Uso xp > Reju xp > Satsu > Miya Yemi > > I really dont need to refuse duels. It is a negligble loss to lose anyone. > No one is that important. On top of the fact that I can just TWT the honor > gains from it, which is what I really want. > My concern is, if you're not buying people out every 3rd turn or so and the Scorps are killing the ones you have out.... Don't forget the Politicial box lets them reuse political actions and TWT is political by rulebook definition. (If I'm wrong here someone please enlighten me). The Scorps can also cancel political actions fairly well. They're an honor deck's nightmare. Of course, I haven't field tested my Scorp deck overmuch against military as the best military here tends to be Lion, Unicorn, or Crab (all vulnerable to dishonor as well). > > > > >Unless you're playing military, which you wouldn't be since you responded > >to > >a post about gold schemes for honor runners. Which, in your defense, was > >quite fully labelled as such, so all would be forgiven. Of course, all the > >military decks (okay, all that win facing runners) play Sanctifieds or > >Lesser Shrines (Lion)...at least one to keep them out of PH troubles for > >their uber-peeps. > > > >Unless, of course, you're running a lot of fate protection for the above > >problems. What do you tweak out in order to fit this protection in? > > > > I dont really need the protection. The normal clans and archetypes that I > play against dont have these types of strategies. Lion, Crane, Dragon, Crab, > and Ratling dont pack any of the above cards. I think my gold scheme is > justified by my record. 30280. Check it if you want. > Here it comes to the rub. It's great that you meta to what your playgroup is running. Perhaps this could be a great thread about meta. The problem we have right now is we can get close in the big tournaments. But we never win the whole thing. We're bridesmaids again. If you ignore one particular deck type (I'm not saying Scorp dishonor is the next big thing, but as strong as it can be, it could be), you probably will not make the final round. > Next time you post, try not to have the rude and condescending tone that was > constant in this post. I apologize if I came across as rude and condescending. Re-reading my message, I can see how one could get that impression. It was certainly not my intent and I will try to be more careful in the future. I just see a glaring weakness in your honor-running strategy and thought you'd like to consider it. Hitomi Jaek Dragon Clan Laughseeker * Shugenja * Monk * Tattooed "You know you're overly analytical when someone says, 'You think too much!' and you ask, 'What does that mean?'" From ilan.muskat at mail.mcgill.ca Mon Nov 25 22:10:45 2002 From: ilan.muskat at mail.mcgill.ca (Ilan Muskat) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:10 2003 Subject: [dragon] Re: Gold Schemin' Message-ID: <001801c294f9$6c017e80$6401a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Wind's Truth's MRP is "Political Kiho Reaction". So it's political. So it gets cycled back in, again and again. Aren't you glad the Scorps are on your side in-story? :) Matsu Kinra (Ilan Muskat) Lion Clan Niten Samurai * Negotiator * Dragon Clan Student "There is always another way." From box at metrocast.net Mon Nov 25 23:38:31 2002 From: box at metrocast.net (Ha Ha Ha) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:10 2003 Subject: [dragon] Thanksgiving Weekend In-Reply-To: <64.28badadf.2b140833@aol.com> Message-ID: On Monday, November 25, 2002, at 06:11 PM, TalanosVyr@aol.com wrote: > Just wondering if there is anything planned for the holiday weekend in > my hometown of South Portland, ME. > > I'll be heading home for the holiday and will have my deck with me. > > Kitsuki Gonzaga > Professional List Lurker? :-) The Keep in South Portland will be running a pre-release on the 30th for FOU. 7pm; entry fee is a deck and three boosters at 15% off. I'll be there, so I hope to see you! -T Togashi Ashido Dragon Clan Monk * Tattooed * Experienced The Wandering Monk * Unique From togashi_akagi at hotmail.com Tue Nov 26 05:05:50 2002 From: togashi_akagi at hotmail.com (akagi togashi) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:10 2003 Subject: [dragon] Vedu Message-ID: I was messing around with some more cards, thought I'd share this one. http://www.geocities.com/kokujinikora/cards/vedau2.jpg he should cost 10 but I couldn't find my file for the numbers so he gets a discount ;) just to avoid any confusion, this is *NOT* a FoU card, it's just a homebrew for fun. Later all, Akagi _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From box at metrocast.net Tue Nov 26 01:21:35 2002 From: box at metrocast.net (Ha Ha Ha) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:11 2003 Subject: [dragon] Names Message-ID: <502FD098-0107-11D7-A29A-003065E72BF2@metrocast.net> Greetings. A preface: I do not know Japanese. I do not assume that every word/name in L5R is Japanese. I do not assume that every word/name in L5R means something in any language whatsoever. I was curious about a couple of names on our Personalities, and found an online translator (http://poets.notredame.ac.jp/cgi-bin/jedi) and threw them in. Here are the results (in no particular order): Satsu: temple, stay/remain. Hitomi: one's self, or the pupil of one's eye. Hoshi: dried/cured, star. Kobai: buying stolen goods! Uso: lie/falsehood. Eisai: unusual talent. Hantei: judgement/decision/verdict, anti-imperialism. Shokan: impression/feeling, jurisdiction, letter/note. Kage: backing/assistance, shade/shadow/other side. Tora: tiger. Zenko: old times/ancient days, all the houses (in town). Gai: self will/obstinancy, guy, meaning of a picture, congratulatory feeling, victory song, criminal investigation, cover/lid/cap. (I)jutsu: (medicine/healing art), art/means. Juppun: 10 minutes. Taki: digression, waterfall. Shinsei: mind/disposition/nature, new system, new face, rebirth, application/request/petition, inborn nature, genuine, divinity, theocracy, holiness/sacredness/dignity, direct Imperial rule. irezumi: tattoo. Just kind of interesting. -T Togashi Ashido Dragon Clan Monk * Tattooed * Experienced The Wandering Monk * Unique From pyros at wizard.com Mon Nov 25 22:54:27 2002 From: pyros at wizard.com (Luke Croteau) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:11 2003 Subject: [dragon] Names In-Reply-To: <502FD098-0107-11D7-A29A-003065E72BF2@metrocast.net> Message-ID: <200211260654.gAQ6sRKm002282@mortar.viawest.net> >Hantei: judgement/decision/verdict, anti-imperialism. This one makes me laugh, especially since Hantei has, and always will be, the emperor.. :) -Voltaic From yannlestrat at yahoo.fr Tue Nov 26 11:07:07 2002 From: yannlestrat at yahoo.fr (=?iso-8859-1?q?Yann=20Le=20Strat?=) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:11 2003 Subject: [dragon] Names In-Reply-To: <502FD098-0107-11D7-A29A-003065E72BF2@metrocast.net> Message-ID: <20021126100707.31422.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com> --- Ha Ha Ha a ?crit?: > Greetings. > > A preface: I do not know Japanese. I do not > assume that every > word/name in L5R is Japanese. I do not assume that > every word/name in > L5R means something in any language whatsoever. > > I was curious about a couple of names on our > Personalities, and > found an online translator > (http://poets.notredame.ac.jp/cgi-bin/jedi) EXCELLENT site!!! I don't know if it is precise and true but I had these results : Doji = clumsiness! :-)) Hida = pleats/creases/gills of a mushroom Togashi = nothing but Toga = graceful Shiba = lawn (the thing you march on) ;-) Akodo = nothing, but ako = my child. So Akodo = baby sitting?? ;-) Bayushi = nothing, neither bayu. Scorps are always so mysterious. Shinjo = fish cake. (or bedroom) And with this site, I changed my name. ;-) Tamori Yancha ___________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en fran?ais ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com From box at metrocast.net Tue Nov 26 05:24:09 2002 From: box at metrocast.net (Ha Ha Ha) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:11 2003 Subject: [dragon] Names In-Reply-To: <20021126100707.31422.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <32F56588-0129-11D7-A29A-003065E72BF2@metrocast.net> On Tuesday, November 26, 2002, at 05:07 AM, Yann Le Strat wrote: > Doji = clumsiness! :-)) Ha! I love it! > Tamori Yancha My Drgaon name doesn't really mean anything, except the "do" being sort of "path/way of" and "ashi" vaguely having to do with feet. Heh. -T Togashi Ashido Dragon Clan Monk * Tattooed * Experienced The Wandering Monk * Unique From colm_mcfadden at yahoo.com Tue Nov 26 10:34:25 2002 From: colm_mcfadden at yahoo.com (Colm McFadden) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:11 2003 Subject: [dragon] Names References: <32F56588-0129-11D7-A29A-003065E72BF2@metrocast.net> Message-ID: <002f01c29537$643c79a0$2446a8c0@mrharsh> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ha Ha Ha" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [dragon] Names > > On Tuesday, November 26, 2002, at 05:07 AM, Yann Le Strat wrote: > > > Doji = clumsiness! :-)) > > Ha! I love it! > > > Tamori Yancha > > My Drgaon name doesn't really mean anything, except the "do" being > sort of "path/way of" and "ashi" vaguely having to do with feet. Heh. > > -T > Togashi Ashido > Dragon Clan Monk * Tattooed * Experienced The Wandering Monk * Unique > My mate Sam who's now back in New Zealand used to tell me all the translations as he could speak Japanese (he had a Japanese girlfriend at one time). I don't remember any of the translations anymore apart from Kurohito, which meant "black man". I remember him being surprised when Doji Kurohito turned out to be this white-haired pale-faced bloke... Mirumoto Taneka From Rick.Beidleman at cs.oag.state.tx.us Tue Nov 26 08:21:38 2002 From: Rick.Beidleman at cs.oag.state.tx.us (Rick Beidleman) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:11 2003 Subject: [dragon] Any new previews? Message-ID: Do any of our brothers or sisters with their own websites have unposted previews? I'm really curious about the remaining two Dragon personalities. The Crab and Mantis have had all five previewed so I was hoping someone might have the others for the Dragon. Anybody? Kitsuki Kyomitsu From barryakunz at hotmail.com Tue Nov 26 10:40:50 2002 From: barryakunz at hotmail.com (Barry Kunz) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:11 2003 Subject: [dragon] Gold Schemein' Message-ID: >From: "Eric Jacobson" > > > > > So, something came to my mind about a week ago. Most Dragon honor > > >runners > > > > have been running Sancts since the beginning of gold edition but >why? > > > > Because they provide versatility that we need to honor run and buy >gold > > >at > > > > the same time. Well instead of this I thought, "Why not just scrap > > >Sactified > > > > temples all together?" So I came up with this gold scheme. > > > > The gold scheme that was here was snipped but I know it had Fantastic Gardens as its only honor producer. I initially didn't comment because Fantastic Gardens have been in most of my dragon decks for over a year now(2 of them). And that's with 3 x Sanctified temples. That's right, I've been running 2 x FG and 3 x ST in most my Dragon gold schemes for a year now. It has always done well for me with the occasional bad gold start. I'm not sure how it would work if I dropped the STs all together. I think I'd miss that late game 6 - 10 gold production from holdings possibility. I'm saying that I still like the flexibility the STs provide and wouldn't want to give it up without a good reason. > > >7 gold is reasonable for a good solid personality. Treat the Fantastic > > >Gardens as personalities instead of gold holdings and see how this >frees >up > > >your scheme. Just a thought. > > > > True to some extent. But, you can't use TG for 4 gold on a personality >and >a > > personality won't keep gaining you honor (unless they're dueling but the > > rest should already be taking care of that). And if you're hit with >early > > honor loss FG allows you to free up gold on subsequent turns to continue > > getting yourself out of the hole. Great thought though and if I do drop >any > > FG's peeps are going in for them. ^_^ > > > >Touche'. That just makes them stronger. I will HAVE to try this with my >PK deck. I find I use my Sancts way too often to buy more resources. I'll >have to see if I can combine using the Trading Grounds and the Fantastic >Gardens. 7 gold is scary to commit to. I think that's why we haven't >really done it. If I consider 2 of them as personalities, I think it will >help. Haven't really done it? I've been rocking FGs since before Shiro Mirumoto was on the scene. If you don't believe me, go check the honor deck section at www.dragonstrategy.net 17th from the bottom is a deck labeled 'Dragon Gold Legal Honor' with my IC name next to it. You'll notice that the deck is dated Nov. 15th 2001 and has 2 x FG and 2 x ST in it. It also didn't have Trading Grounds. Fathom that one. I swear the deck worked at the time. TG just made it better. My point being that *I* thought this list had already been over the FG debate and most people were decided as to whether they considered them useful. If you haven't tried FG in your dragon honor runner, try it now and see how you like it. Only do this if you're running a trading grounds gold scheme now. > > *snip* > > > > >How did this actually perform for you in game conditions. Does it hold >to > > >your estimations and calculations. Sorry if you included, but I did >not > > >get > > >the "fully playtested" sense out of this, more of 'just trying it out >now.' > > > > > Well, I wouldn't say "fully playtested". But then again I have >playtested >it > > to some extent (not enough though) and it has performed exceedingly >well. > > Not to mention the tons of times I've gold fished with it, which >although > > not real environment (and I know there's a big difference) can be a good > > indicator of how a deck will perform. And this is by far my fastest >deck. > > But alot of that comes from this next little bit right below here. > > > >Let us know how it continues to perform... > > > > > By the way, alot of your honor gains should be coming from your fate > > >anyway. > > > > We are the kings of fate manipulation and if your victory condition >is > > >honor > > > > then you better be using your advantages to your full advantage. >That >is > > > > also why this gold scheme works. It doesn't rely on honor holdings >like > > > > fantastics they just help you along when they show up at the right > > >moment. Here is where I'll disagree. The FGs don't just help you along when they show up at the right moment. An early FG against another honor runner can mean game for you. It stabilizes your honor production instead of going for 4 turns with few gains and then ripping off 10-15 honor out of duels/hanabi/Imperial Standard. Don't get me wrong, I love those big honor turns. I just use FG to maximum effect. If it's 3rd-4th turn, I'm in no immediate danger of losing a province and I have a choice between a person and a FG. I pick the FG. >Coming through with an new subject that challenges us all to look at how we >play is asking to be flamed. I just thought I'd continue to encourage it. >It should get more involved. I like to hear some others with big >tournament >experience to weigh in on this (Rob, KC, Scott, Barry, anybody???). Here is where I'll tell you the weakness of FG. It is a narrow card in that it only produces honor. It can also be hit by Fist of Osano-Wo which really sucks when it happens. Many would argue that it should just be a personality in your deck because that person will give you honor and someone to do stuff with. I do agree but I know what has worked for me. Now it hasn't worked to the extent that I've won gencon or anything but has helped me be competitive. Try it and decide if it works for you. >Hitomi Jaek >Dragon Clan Laughseeker * Shugenja * Monk * Tattooed Barry Kunz Togashi Zembu Herald of the New Dawn _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From goory16 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 26 07:53:40 2002 From: goory16 at yahoo.com (riku terio) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:11 2003 Subject: [dragon] Re: Names (useless imformation for most) In-Reply-To: <20021126062202.15798.61157.Mailman@michonline.com> Message-ID: <20021126155340.53562.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Well... accually no, most names that AEG uses are used because they sound cool. Shaitung for exemple is a chinese name (I think? or korean or ?). "Si" for exemple doesn't exit in Japanese like "tu" or "ti" but they are still used cause they sound cool and like 99.9999% of l5r players, people just don't care! I told AEG they could ask me to proof read their names they said OK but never asked... so what though? Agasha Kijutsu "yeah yeah, my character is an Agasha, sue me" P.S. "Togashi Hoshi" can be translated as "I want Togashi". Don't we all? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From goory16 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 26 08:04:27 2002 From: goory16 at yahoo.com (riku terio) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:11 2003 Subject: [dragon] Re: Names In-Reply-To: <20021126124055.31332.96601.Mailman@michonline.com> Message-ID: <20021126160427.88591.qmail@web21309.mail.yahoo.com> one more thing. Be careful about these translators as they do not caref or longue and short vowels! Which is english sounds like I am talking for know reason but in Japanese longue vowels and short are EXTREMELY important! Ex: Say Tokyo to a japanese and some of them will not understand what you mean (reallY). Why? cause it's To-kyo- (long Os). For Japanese saying Tokyo is like saying "Takya", sounds alike but that's all. Anatatachi no nihongo no sensei, Riku de gozaimasu. AKA Agasha Kijutsu P.S. And I am not going to talk about the kanji... '_' __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From pyros at wizard.com Tue Nov 26 08:12:47 2002 From: pyros at wizard.com (Luke Croteau) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:11 2003 Subject: [dragon] Re: Names In-Reply-To: <20021126160427.88591.qmail@web21309.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200211261612.gAQGCl7R018304@emory.viawest.net> On Tue, 26 Nov 2002 08:04:27 -0800 (PST), riku terio wrote: >one more thing. Be careful about these translators as >they do not caref or longue and short vowels! Which >is english sounds like I am talking for know reason >but in Japanese longue vowels and short are EXTREMELY >important! > >Ex: >Say Tokyo to a japanese and some of them will not >understand what you mean (reallY). Why? cause it's >To-kyo- (long Os). For Japanese saying Tokyo is like >saying "Takya", sounds alike but that's all. Eh? Tokyo has never, in any culture, been pronounced "Takya"... All vowels in Japanese are long. Online-translators don't care which syllables are emphasized, because ALL of the vowels are Long vowels. You are confusing it with Chinese, where the inflection of the letters determines whether you are saying "Shirt" or "Burp". -Voltaic From togashilove at hotmail.com Tue Nov 26 18:55:53 2002 From: togashilove at hotmail.com (John Panagiotakis) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:11 2003 Subject: [dragon] Re: Names (useless imformation for most) Message-ID: Greetings, riku terio wrote: > >Agasha Kijutsu >"yeah yeah, my character is an Agasha, sue me" Hey, I'm the only one who has that priviledge! 8p!! Hehe, still feeling insecure about the list? 8p >P.S. "Togashi Hoshi" can be translated as "I want >Togashi". Don't we all? For Emperor?? Of course!! 8> Take care. ___Togashi Agozatsu___ *Dragon Clan Samurai*Monk*Tattooed* Acolyte_of_Maths*Storyteller*exp* *Will only join the Dragon or Scorpion clan* "Each path that is true is dangerous. If there is no one to bar your way, no challenge to overcome, then you know that the choice is honorless." -Hitomi ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From ryoushi at gdronline.it Tue Nov 26 17:01:34 2002 From: ryoushi at gdronline.it (Togashi Ryoushi) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:11 2003 Subject: [dragon] new spoilers In-Reply-To: <200211261612.gAQGCl7R018304@emory.viawest.net> Message-ID: Hi all, a few more spoilers are up, and this time they include no other than our new ancestor, and yes, he _does_ combo with Shiro Tamori. Which is cool since I think it's the spirit of no other than Shaitung's mother! :) Basically you can bow the ancestor to make the duel compare PH, instead of Chi (or force). I am not sure how powerful it is, since the clan with high chi (eg. Crane and Lions) tend to have high PH as well, but still very cool. :) The rest of the spoilers, you can go to: http://www.geocities.com/oteshi/Entrevista_listadecartasFOU.html *bows* Togashi Ryoushi Dragon clan tattooed monk From togashilove at hotmail.com Tue Nov 26 19:11:48 2002 From: togashilove at hotmail.com (John Panagiotakis) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:11 2003 Subject: [dragon] new spoilers Message-ID: >From: Togashi Ryoushi > >The rest of the spoilers, you can go to: >http://www.geocities.com/oteshi/Entrevista_listadecartasFOU.html > >*bows* > >Togashi Ryoushi Thank you so much Ryoushi-san. Agasha Yubisaki "The Dragon claim that Aikune has been attacking their forces of late, yet I know he has not. Meanwhile we have found entire platoons of our own troops burnt to ashes in the fields. What is the meaning of this?" Looks like Tamori has started his job. The first sentence might also mean that he has been burning us also, under the guise of Shiba Aikune (leaving only ashes behind seems much like Aikune's Wish). What do you guys think about our new ancestor? Apart from the flavor text, I'm having a difficult time in spotting a good use for that card. ___Togashi Agozatsu___ *Dragon Clan Samurai*Monk*Tattooed* Acolyte_of_Maths*Storyteller*exp* *Will only join the Dragon or Scorpion clan* "Each path that is true is dangerous. If there is no one to bar your way, no challenge to overcome, then you know that the choice is honorless." -Hitomi ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From barryakunz at hotmail.com Tue Nov 26 13:23:06 2002 From: barryakunz at hotmail.com (Barry Kunz) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:11 2003 Subject: [dragon] new spoilers Message-ID: >From: "John Panagiotakis" > > >>From: Togashi Ryoushi >> >>The rest of the spoilers, you can go to: >>http://www.geocities.com/oteshi/Entrevista_listadecartasFOU.html >> >>*bows* >> >>Togashi Ryoushi > >Thank you so much Ryoushi-san. > >What do you guys think about our new ancestor? Apart from the flavor text, >I'm having a difficult time in spotting a good use for that card. It seems like a defensive ancestor. When that personality gets challenged by the monster chi guy, then you can bring the duel back to a level you can deal with. Not that I think an opponent would be stupid enough to challenge a peep with this ancestor. As far as using it in a pro-active manner goes, I really have no clue. The ancestor already gives you +1 chi. Maybe it would have been useful if the duel set your chi or stat used for duel equal to PH. That way it could have been used as p-kill as long as the other peep had 0 personal honor at the moment. Anyone else have any ideas? Barry Kunz Togashi Zembu Herald of the New Dawn > >___Togashi Agozatsu___ >*Dragon Clan Samurai*Monk*Tattooed* >Acolyte_of_Maths*Storyteller*exp* _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From TaintedTattoo at aol.com Tue Nov 26 13:32:40 2002 From: TaintedTattoo at aol.com (TaintedTattoo@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:11 2003 Subject: [dragon] new spoilers Message-ID: <21.27d0af6f.2b151848@aol.com> Ijajatsu Art. Somehow. Perhaps. Hitomi Hakene Dragon Clan Tattooed Shadowlands Madmen "Sometimes you must embrace the darkness to ascend in light." Visit Shrine of the new Moon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20021126/17c480a3/attachment.html From jedi at nycap.rr.com Tue Nov 26 13:38:35 2002 From: jedi at nycap.rr.com (k kennedy) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:11 2003 Subject: [dragon] new spoilers References: Message-ID: <006d01c2957b$0a58c120$8f39a118@nycap.rr.com> > > >From: Togashi Ryoushi > > > >The rest of the spoilers, you can go to: > >http://www.geocities.com/oteshi/Entrevista_listadecartasFOU.html > > What do you guys think about our new ancestor? Apart from the flavor text, > I'm having a difficult time in spotting a good use for that card. > > ___Togashi Agozatsu___ Mmm. Tsutomu no Shiryo + Breaking Concentration + Words Cut Like Steel + Bad Dragon Courtier Personality. Well, that, and it combos well with Judgment considering your opponent would have 0 PH at the time. - Mirumoto Hakkotsu. From Rick.Beidleman at cs.oag.state.tx.us Tue Nov 26 12:42:23 2002 From: Rick.Beidleman at cs.oag.state.tx.us (Rick Beidleman) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:11 2003 Subject: [dragon] new spoilers Message-ID: >>> barryakunz@hotmail.com 11/26/02 12:23PM >>> >From: "John Panagiotakis" > > >>From: Togashi Ryoushi >> >>The rest of the spoilers, you can go to: >>http://www.geocities.com/oteshi/Entrevista_listadecartasFOU.html >> >>*bows* >> >>Togashi Ryoushi > >Thank you so much Ryoushi-san. > >What do you guys think about our new ancestor? Apart from the flavor text, >I'm having a difficult time in spotting a good use for that card. It seems like a defensive ancestor. When that personality gets challenged by the monster chi guy, then you can bring the duel back to a level you can deal with. Not that I think an opponent would be stupid enough to challenge a peep with this ancestor. As far as using it in a pro-active manner goes, I really have no clue. The ancestor already gives you +1 chi. Maybe it would have been useful if the duel set your chi or stat used for duel equal to PH. That way it could have been used as p-kill as long as the other peep had 0 personal honor at the moment. Anyone else have any ideas? [KK] How about challenging an opposing peep with who has the clan sword. Barry Kunz Togashi Zembu Herald of the New Dawn Kitsuki Kyomitsu Dragon Clan Magistrate * Samurai * Soul of Mirumoto Issai > >___Togashi Agozatsu___ >*Dragon Clan Samurai*Monk*Tattooed* >Acolyte_of_Maths*Storyteller*exp* _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail _______________________________________________ Dragon mailing list Dragon@michonline.com http://michonline.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dragon From jake2002 at sio.midco.net Tue Nov 26 12:59:29 2002 From: jake2002 at sio.midco.net (Eric Jacobson) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:11 2003 Subject: [dragon] Interesting deck concept...experimental Message-ID: <01d701c2957d$f3260140$ae92dc18@midco.net> Not nailing this thing down to a decklist yet, just a concept. Hoshi Tadao just has my brain buzzing lately. Use his ability to slap down Ring of Water and you assign during the assignment phase after the opponent assigns. Does this work with Jaws of Victory? If so, play Jaws of Victory and aim at opponent's strongest holding. Then wait for them to assign. If they don't assign enough, crush, kill, maim...all that good stuff. Of course, Rally or Hummingbird, etc. But if they overcommit (more than 75% of defensive resources), assign a single unit, sneak and play Fight to the Setting Sun. Perverse. A tricky combo, but the cards a worthwhile in a Dragon Movement deck anyway. We'd just be adding Jaws of Victory and designing the deck around Tadao getting out Ring of Water for us. Thoughts? Ice Cream? Hitomi Jaek Dragon Clan Laughseeker * Shugenja * Monk * Tattooed "You know you're overly analytical when someone says, 'You think too much!' and you ask, 'What does that mean?'" From yannlestrat at yahoo.fr Tue Nov 26 21:59:05 2002 From: yannlestrat at yahoo.fr (=?iso-8859-1?q?Yann=20Le=20Strat?=) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:12 2003 Subject: [dragon] new spoilers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021126205905.15598.qmail@web10107.mail.yahoo.com> --- Barry Kunz a ?crit?: > >From: "John Panagiotakis" > > > > > >>From: Togashi Ryoushi > >> > >>The rest of the spoilers, you can go to: > >>http://www.geocities.com/oteshi/Entrevista_listadecartasFOU.html > >> > >>*bows* > >> > >>Togashi Ryoushi > > > >Thank you so much Ryoushi-san. > > > >What do you guys think about our new ancestor? > Apart from the flavor text, > >I'm having a difficult time in spotting a good use > for that card. > > It seems like a defensive ancestor. When that > personality gets challenged > by the monster chi guy, then you can bring the duel > back to a level you can > deal with. Not that I think an opponent would be > stupid enough to challenge > a peep with this ancestor. > > As far as using it in a pro-active manner goes, I > really have no clue. The > ancestor already gives you +1 chi. Maybe it would > have been useful if the > duel set your chi or stat used for duel equal to PH. > That way it could have > been used as p-kill as long as the other peep had 0 > personal honor at the > moment. > > Anyone else have any ideas? According to Shiryu-sama, if you challenge a dishonored personality, you automatically kill it. As focuses are bonuses and as a dishonored personality always have 0 personal honor whatever bonus it receives, you always gain the duel. So get ready to have 3 secrets on the wind, maybe even 3 marries a barbarian and let's kill! Hurry up! Before the ruling comes. Remember Gaijutsu. A big combo, 6 cards including 2 unique : Any Tamori + Tsutomo no Shiryo + judgement + spirit guide Iuchi Hari + secrets on the wind 2 kills per turn (and a ring of air with hari to avoid nasty touch of death on our boosted shuggie) Tamori Yan "Etonnant, non?" > > Barry Kunz > Togashi Zembu > Herald of the New Dawn > > > > >___Togashi Agozatsu___ > >*Dragon Clan Samurai*Monk*Tattooed* > >Acolyte_of_Maths*Storyteller*exp* ___________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en fran?ais ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com From firek2 at wp.pl Tue Nov 26 21:58:29 2002 From: firek2 at wp.pl (Firek) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:12 2003 Subject: [dragon] new spoilers References: <006d01c2957b$0a58c120$8f39a118@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <003001c2958e$93c8cbe0$5e1ea8c0@BMJ.net.pl> > > > > What do you guys think about our new ancestor? Apart from the flavor text, > > I'm having a difficult time in spotting a good use for that card. > > It's only combo ancestor, you can duel another player celestial sword with Tsuge for egzample. You can have higher or the same ph and far less Chi then your opponet and win. It is also good on shosuro technic, the opponent will rise Chi and you tell him that ph is only stat it's matter now, and scorps don't have high ph. IMO this card is good and it's wait for nwe combos to find Firek Mirumoto Togai Dragon Clan Samurai*Emerald Magistrate From Rick.Beidleman at cs.oag.state.tx.us Tue Nov 26 15:18:58 2002 From: Rick.Beidleman at cs.oag.state.tx.us (Rick Beidleman) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:12 2003 Subject: [dragon] FOU Spoiler Message-ID: Since it's in the title I'm not going to put in spoiler space. One of our Scorpion allies (Bayushi Tsukaro) posted these to Dragonstrategy. For those of you who don't visit that site (then you should ;-p ), I'd thought I'd bring them here. *Hoshi Chuichi (fixed card) 2f / 4c 2/7/2 Dragon Clan Monk . Unique Chuichi gains +2F / +2C while bowed. Chuichi adds to his unit's total Force even when bowed. 'There is no such thing as a little enlightenment. One who know little, knows all. One who knows all, begins learning anew.' *Mirumoto Tachiyama (uncommon) 2f / 2c 6/7/3 Dragon Clan Samurai While opposed by one or more personalities in a battle or duel, Tachiyama gains a Force and Chi bonus equal to half the cards in the opposing player's hand, rounded down. 'Tsuge chose to ally his forces with the Dark Oracle against AIkune. Fool! What sense is there in winning this war, if we lose all that we are in the bargain?' *Hurricane Tattoo Limited: Target one of your personalities with the Tattooed Trait and without a Hurricane Tattoo. For the rest of the game, the personality has a Hurricane Tattoo, -1 F and gains the ability: Battle: Bow this Personality to give all opposing Personalities and Followers -1 F. "How does one man fight a storm?" Mitsu asked. "Patience, master," Matsuo said. "All storms pass." Kitsuki Kyomitsu Dragon Clan Magistrate * Samurai * Soul of Mirumoto Issai From ryoushi at gdronline.it Tue Nov 26 21:54:55 2002 From: ryoushi at gdronline.it (Togashi Ryoushi) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:12 2003 Subject: [dragon] FOU Spoiler In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi all, On Tuesday, November 26, 2002, at 09:18 , Rick Beidleman wrote: > One of our Scorpion allies (Bayushi Tsukaro) posted these to > Dragonstrategy. For those of you who don't visit that site (then you > should ;-p ), I'd thought I'd bring them here. > Wow! Thanks a lot to you and him! These are great cards! :) > *Hoshi Chuichi (fixed card) > 2f / 4c 2/7/2 > Dragon Clan Monk . Unique > Chuichi gains +2F / +2C while bowed. > Chuichi adds to his unit's total Force even when bowed. > I'm impressed! :) 4C for Shiro Mirumoto, 7 gold cost which is perfect (one cannot use MD or HD for him!). Plus he can effectivly turn cards like Fist of the earth into Palm strike! And let's not even speak of Kukan-do! (his mere presence is not enough to justify the latter, imho, but still). His only problem is that he is not tattooed. But personally I've been having problems getting out monks with 8gc, so I prefer something like this than a tattooed monk for 8g. > 'There is no such thing as a little enlightenment. > One who know little, knows all. > One who knows all, begins learning anew.' > And cool flavour! :) > *Mirumoto Tachiyama (uncommon) > 2f / 2c 6/7/3 > Dragon Clan Samurai > While opposed by one or more personalities in a battle > or duel, Tachiyama gains a Force and Chi bonus equal to > half the cards in the opposing player's hand, rounded down. Argh! I was soooo impressed, and the I realised his chi... :( It was starting to look a bit too good! ;) Ok, so he is not Shiro Mirumoto friendly. First bad point... and he is not tattooed: second bad point. But I would say that's all. He is a useful 3ph samurai!!! And between him and our new ancestor, I think I. Art should be much more easy to use now. And this means that the ring of Fire has become easier to play (this should let us play Fire, Air and Void pretty easily out of ST). I know he has 6 HR, but hoping for anything less would have been a bit too optimistic given his high PH, and low gold cost. Finally his ability means that in most situations with an average opponent hand (4-6 cards?) he is technically 4/4 or even 5/5! And that's for 7 gold! Btw, one question: does his force/chi bonus change during a battle if the opponent plays a few cards from his hand? Or does the bonus stay fix from the time he is assigned? And similarly for a duel: if my opponent has a full hand and discards all his cards does Tachiyama's chi go back down to 2? > 'Tsuge chose to ally his forces with the Dark Oracle against > AIkune. Fool! What sense is there in winning this war, if we > lose all that we are in the bargain?' > Well said Tachiyama-san! :) > *Hurricane Tattoo > > Limited: Target one of your personalities with the Tattooed > Trait and without a Hurricane Tattoo. For the rest of the game, > the personality has a Hurricane Tattoo, -1 F and gains the > ability: Battle: Bow this Personality to give all opposing > Personalities and Followers -1 F. > Ouch! Ouch! There's a really nice combo with Thunder's clap here: Hurricane tattoo, Thunder's clap and then Hurricane tattoo again! I finally like this tattoo... but given that I _almost_ like moth tattoo as well, maybe I am a bit biased. What do people think? > "How does one man fight a storm?" Mitsu asked. > "Patience, master," Matsuo said. "All storms pass." Is Matsuo starting to give lessons to Mitsu??? :D Btw, for our new ancestor my only worry is that the clan who tend to have high chi (Crane, and Lions, mainly) have on average higher PH than us as well. So I would agree with people that this is more to be used for selective PKilling, and it should be only attached to personalities like Tsuge in SM or the new great Tachiyama (^_^) in ST. All for now... *bows* Togashi Ryoushi Dragon clan tattooed monk From lord.goonie at laposte.net Tue Nov 26 23:20:32 2002 From: lord.goonie at laposte.net (Guen) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:12 2003 Subject: [dragon] FOU Spoiler Message-ID: <3DDAB944000D3A9F@lpdnpm02.imelios.int> (added by postmaster@laposte.net) >> *Mirumoto Tachiyama (uncommon) >> 2f / 2c 6/7/3 >> Dragon Clan Samurai >> While opposed by one or more personalities in a battle >> or duel, Tachiyama gains a Force and Chi bonus equal to >> half the cards in the opposing player's hand, rounded down. >Btw, one question: does his force/chi bonus change during a battle if >the opponent plays a few cards from his hand? Or does the bonus stay fix >from the time he is assigned? >And similarly for a duel: if my opponent has a full hand and discards >all his cards does Tachiyama's chi go back down to 2? Tachiyama wins 2 bonuses (F & C) at the moment he is opposed, either in battle or duel. As there is no stated duration, those bonuses last until the end of the turn. So, if your opponent plays cards, or focuses, it won't change the bonuses, for they've already been calculated. Or i think so( i hope i made myself clear). If i am right (that is to say, if bonuses happen at the beginning of the battle or duel, and last until end of turn), that leads me to another interesting question : After a duel, Tachiyama keeps the bonuses, no? If he challenges someone else, or goes into a battle, then he wins the bonus again? Just tell me i'm right !!! Togashi Goonie , Tattooed Monk From ryoushi at gdronline.it Tue Nov 26 22:24:00 2002 From: ryoushi at gdronline.it (Togashi Ryoushi) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:12 2003 Subject: [dragon] FOU Spoiler In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi all, Bayushi Tsukaro sent a few more spoilers to dragonstrategy.net. I am not going to copy and paste them all here, but this one deserve. And look at the trait: so appropriate! :) I hope the actual player will not mind... if this is not what you were expecting, it's probably a bit bitter given how you listened the other Dragon players in the tourney. I really hope you like it. :) > *Hitaka (Uncommon) > > Shugenja . Corrupter . Shadowlands . Lose 4 honor. > While Hitaka is in play, raise the Gold cost of all Jade > cards in the game by 2. > Limited: Bow Hitaka to destroy a bowed Jade Card. > Lose 2 Honor. > > "Dragon kills Phoenix. Phoenix kills Dragon. Either way, Hitaka, we > triumph." - Agasha Tamori *bows* Togashi Ryoushi Dragon clan tattooed monk From dhanauer at vt.edu Tue Nov 26 17:45:26 2002 From: dhanauer at vt.edu (Donald Hanauer, II) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:12 2003 Subject: [dragon] new spoilers In-Reply-To: <20021126205905.15598.qmail@web10107.mail.yahoo.com> References: Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20021126174526.007a8b50@mail.vt.edu> >> Anyone else have any ideas? >According to Shiryu-sama, if you challenge a >dishonored personality, you automatically kill it. >As focuses are bonuses and as a dishonored personality >always have 0 personal honor whatever bonus it >receives, you always gain the duel. Incorrect, I'm afraid. Otherwise Test of Might would kill anyone who has 0F before the first focus. Comparing a duel to Honor/Force or changing it to Honor/Force is not the same as replacing Chi with Force/Honor. Comparing and changing just means that you use a different stat. Replacing means just that - you use your Honor/Force AS your Chi. Make sense, or is it as clear as mud? :) Mirumoto Taikishi Dragon Clan Duelist * Toturi's Army Samurai * Wolf Legion Bounty Hunter #486 From kitsuki_jitsuma at yahoo.fr Tue Nov 26 23:52:54 2002 From: kitsuki_jitsuma at yahoo.fr (Mail de loisir) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:12 2003 Subject: [dragon] new spoilers References: <3.0.5.32.20021126174526.007a8b50@mail.vt.edu> Message-ID: <000601c2959e$90441eb0$0300000a@Lonee> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Hanauer, II" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 11:45 PM Subject: Re: [dragon] new spoilers > > >> Anyone else have any ideas? > > >According to Shiryu-sama, if you challenge a > >dishonored personality, you automatically kill it. > >As focuses are bonuses and as a dishonored personality > >always have 0 personal honor whatever bonus it > >receives, you always gain the duel. > Incorrect, I'm afraid. Otherwise Test of Might would kill anyone who has 0F > before the first focus. Comparing a duel to Honor/Force or changing it to > Honor/Force is not the same as replacing Chi with Force/Honor. Comparing > and changing just means that you use a different stat. Replacing means just > that - you use your Honor/Force AS your Chi. Make sense, or is it as clear > as mud? :) > Mirumoto Taikishi Mirumoto-san, do you think that a test of might could kill anything ? 1) Focus in duel is a bonus. 2) Dishonnored personnality has allways 0PH, rules book... 3) With The ancestor the duel is with honnor, if you're dishonnored, your honnor cannot be modified by any bonus... So it is useless to focus, because, your honnor will allways be equal to "0"... Kitsuki Jitsuma ___________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en fran?ais ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com From Togashiheijin at aol.com Tue Nov 26 19:31:20 2002 From: Togashiheijin at aol.com (Togashiheijin@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:12 2003 Subject: [dragon] new spoilers Message-ID: <180.11df2318.2b156c58@aol.com> In a message dated 11/26/02 5:38:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, dhanauer@vt.edu writes: > Incorrect, I'm afraid. Otherwise Test of Might would kill anyone who has 0F > before the first focus. Comparing a duel to Honor/Force or changing it to > Honor/Force is not the same as replacing Chi with Force/Honor. Comparing > and changing just means that you use a different stat. Replacing means just > that - you use your Honor/Force AS your Chi. Make sense, or is it as clear > as mud? :) I think he meant that a dishonored personality can never gain bonuses from focusing w the ancestor because PH will always by definition equal zero. Togashi Heijin Dragon Clan Monk * Tattooed * Angry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20021126/daebd90b/attachment.html From ilan.muskat at mail.mcgill.ca Tue Nov 26 19:43:37 2002 From: ilan.muskat at mail.mcgill.ca (Ilan Muskat) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:12 2003 Subject: [dragon] Re: Dragon digest, Vol 1 #661 - 14 msgs References: <20021126210002.13026.98952.Mailman@michonline.com> Message-ID: <001a01c295ae$07806ba0$6401a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> > According to Shiryu-sama, if you challenge a > dishonored personality, you automatically kill it. > As focuses are bonuses and as a dishonored personality > always have 0 personal honor whatever bonus it > receives, you always gain the duel. That's true of Face Me! which *replaces* Chi with Personal Honor. This ancestor doesn't do that. All that happens is you *fight* using Personal Honor, not replace Chi with it. The best combos with this ancestor seem to be Hoshi... or Kitsu Juri under Noble Halls of the Akodo, in a Lion deck (3ph Shug who can attach other ancestors). Also, if you've been going nuts oathing Lion Clan merc-tacticians like Ijiasu and Tadenori, there you go... 3ph. Finally, remember that "coaster-fied" Ki-Rin's Shrine XP? Your +1 PH now permits a Mirumoto deck to run this ancestor, Strength of Purity, and Face Me! (if you're nuts about making your game revolve around the KRS-One). Just thinkin'. Matsu Kinra (Ilan Muskat) Lion Clan Niten Samurai * Negotiator * Dragon Clan Student "There is always another way." From SLcpUnK420002 at aol.com Tue Nov 26 20:59:08 2002 From: SLcpUnK420002 at aol.com (SLcpUnK420002@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:12 2003 Subject: [dragon] Military deck (Redone) Message-ID: Shiro Tamori Toturi Sezaru(i think Kaneka is better but i need card draw) 3xJade works 3xHiruma Dojo 3xGold mine 3xSmall Farm 3xLarge farm 1xKirins shrine XP 1xTemple of the Dragon 3xMirumoto Zenko 3xTogashi Nyima 3xTogashi Kansuke 3xMirumoto Rosanjin 3xHitomi Hogai 2xHitomi Vedau 1xKaelung 1xHitomi Kagetora 1xTogashi Hoshi XP2 2xfarmlands 1xImperial gift 1xTime of loyalty Fate 40 3xMountain Tattoo 3xSpider tattoo(Might turn into Hurricane tattoox3) 2xDragon tattoo 3xCharge 3xFrenzy 3xStrength in unity 3xRallying cry 2xCommand group Bitter Celestial sword of the dragon 3xAshigaru spearmen 3xSpearmen 3xLight Infantry 3xHeavy Infantry 2xGunso Warriors of the great climb Ring of the void This is my revised edition but i will add more cards from the new set such as hurricane tattoo which is just bad ass! And maybe that new mirumoto that get the amount of force from your opponents hand if you reduce him he is only 5 gold.It looks ok to me but i need it to be good since i am the 2nd dragon in the area. Mirumoto Jon Dragon clan Berserker*Tattooed Madman*Crab clan* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20021126/8e06eb12/attachment.html From dnaruta at swbell.net Tue Nov 26 21:10:20 2002 From: dnaruta at swbell.net (Togashi Naruta) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:12 2003 Subject: [dragon] new spoilers References: Message-ID: <3DE4379C.205CC744@swbell.net> Barry Kunz wrote: > > > As far as using it in a pro-active manner goes, I really have no clue. The > ancestor already gives you +1 chi. Maybe it would have been useful if the > duel set your chi or stat used for duel equal to PH. That way it could have > been used as p-kill as long as the other peep had 0 personal honor at the > moment. > > Anyone else have any ideas? > > Barry Kunz > Togashi Zembu > Herald of the New Dawn > I usually don't comment on spoilers, but.... This is a great card for Ring of Fire. It's ironic that i was looking for a way to do a duel of personal honor in gold a few days ago. Togashi Naruta From box at metrocast.net Tue Nov 26 23:16:33 2002 From: box at metrocast.net (Ha Ha Ha) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:12 2003 Subject: [dragon] FOU Spoiler In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0334CE8F-01BF-11D7-98B6-003065E72BF2@metrocast.net> Greetings. On Tuesday, November 26, 2002, at 04:54 PM, Togashi Ryoushi wrote: > Btw, one question: does his force/chi bonus change during a battle if > the opponent plays a few cards from his hand? Or does the bonus stay > fix from the time he is assigned? > And similarly for a duel: if my opponent has a full hand and discards > all his cards does Tachiyama's chi go back down to 2? Somebody else might have already answered this, but here we go just in case. Assuming that the spoiler is correct in its wording, his bonuses to Force and Chi are constantly calculated. If your opponent's hand size becomes reduced (via playing actions, discarding, focussing, etc.) enough, then Tachiyama's F/C bonus also goes down. It is not a one-time bonus. He really should have *s by his two stats. Read the trait. "WHILE opposed <...>" Meaning that the trait checks the whole time. If it were a one-time calculation, it would read more along the lines of, "WHEN Tachiyama becomes opposed <...>" Sorry. So don't bother dueling with him, because his Chi will go down every time your opponent focuses, essentially rendering your focussed cards at a -1. He might go into an honour deck for 3PH and to be a chump-blocking speed bump. Otherwise, I would skip him. -T Togashi Ashido Dragon Clan Monk * Tattooed * Experienced The Wandering Monk * Unique From MechWar13 at aol.com Tue Nov 26 23:22:51 2002 From: MechWar13 at aol.com (MechWar13@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:12 2003 Subject: [dragon] The Kokujin Always Triumphs Message-ID: <17f.128dad66.2b15a29b@aol.com> does anyone else think this is gonna end like the black knight fight in Monty Python and the holy grail? Come on, look who's writing this. It's Rich "Rokugan 90210" "Fuzake Garou" Wulf. I can definately see the fight coming down to Kaelung and his ono and Kokujin and the daisho. The two battle for a while but Kaelung cuts one of kokujin's arms off. they bicker a bit about the wound being a scratch. The fight continues and Kaelung cuts off the other arm. They bicker about Fleshwounds. Kaelung then cuts off one of Kokujin's legs, seriously agravating him. Kokujin: Right. I'll do you for that! Kaelung: You'll what? Kokujin: Come here! Kaelung: What are you going to do, bleed on me? Kokujin: I'm Immortal! Kaelung: You're a looney. Kokujin: The Kokujin always triumphs! Have at you! Come on, then. Kaelun then cuts off the other leg. The torso that was once kokujin looks around a bit and says "let's call it a draw." Kaelung picks up Togashi's daisho and hands it to Satsu. he then motions for the survivors to follow him to the Dragon's lands. Togashi Raiden Dragon Clan Son of a Silly Person*Shugenja* Monk* Unique Open: Bow to shoot off Fireworks. Toss a coin in the air and if it lands on a card the card get's hit with a ranged 3 attack. If the card doesn't have a printed force it's force is considered zero. "There are those that call me Tim?" From box at metrocast.net Tue Nov 26 23:26:56 2002 From: box at metrocast.net (Ha Ha Ha) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:12 2003 Subject: [dragon] Chuichi In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <7676C5C0-01C0-11D7-98B6-003065E72BF2@metrocast.net> On Tuesday, November 26, 2002, at 04:18 PM, Rick Beidleman wrote: > *Hoshi Chuichi (fixed card) > 2f / 4c 2/7/2 > Dragon Clan Monk . Unique > Chuichi gains +2F / +2C while bowed. > Chuichi adds to his unit's total Force even when bowed. RANT MODE ON: Okay, so not only is our fixed Personalitty a Unique (to be expected), but he is YET ANOTHER NON-EXP UNIQUE. We lose out on another opportunity to get an overlay! Yes, I've seen the numbers, and Dragon is presently one of the best Clans out there for successful running of Shintao LIbrary. Cool. Because I have used that Holding to great success in decks of mine. That's wonderful. But we have two overlays. TWO. Only the Mantis have fewer than we. And one of those overlays is out-of-Clan and of questionable worth to begin with. So, really, only one overlay. It's maddening. We have almost always done extremely well with Experienced Personalities. Our Exps in Gold are almost all VERY good cards. So we use them, often, in certain decks. Since they cannot overlay, they artificially increase the average gold cost of our Personality base! A smart player would use almost none of our Exps, due to this fact alone! So here's a chance to get a second real overlay in this environment, but no dice. How hard would it have been for this guy to have been an exp Takeji, or Iroshi? Not real hard. Don't get me wrong. I like the card. I like it quite a bit, actually. If he's Tattooed, I'll be dancing in the streets. But I'm sure you see my point. But I'm not done. In expansions, you usually get a rare who is usually Unique. Each Clan gets this, in almost every expansion since Gold. Okay, fine. As one of the three Clans to get a new Stronghold in an expansion, you often get a bonus Personality, who is fixed and usually Unique. What did we get? SOMETHING OTHER THAN AN OVERLAY. BOTH TIMES. The Zokujin is a bad idea in anything but a trick/goof deck (and I know there's nothing wrong with having fun decks! But, still). The Monk is a good card. But NEITHER are overlays! TWO CHANCES, and NEITHER. How hard would it have been? I'm sure I'll get over it. I'm sure I'll use both Personalities in the proper deck. I'm sure I'll collect multiples of each, because I'm a raving fanboy and, believe it or not, have kept every copy of Tamori Shunsen from BB (something like 16-20 of them), even though she's a total coaster. I'm sure I'll move on. But, still. You gotta see where I'm coming from, right? RANT MODE OFF. Thanks for listening. *bow* -T Togashi Ashido Dragon Clan Monk * Tattooed * Experienced The Wandering Monk * Unique From goory16 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 26 20:29:28 2002 From: goory16 at yahoo.com (riku terio) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:12 2003 Subject: [dragon] Re: Names In-Reply-To: <20021126210002.13026.98952.Mailman@michonline.com> Message-ID: <20021127042928.32117.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> >Tokyo has never, in any culture, been pronounced "Takya"... *NO no I was just giving and exemple that saying Tokyo instead of To-kyo- is totally different. >All vowels in Japanese are long. Online-translators don't care which syllables are emphasized, because ALL of the vowels are Long vowels. *Now where did you get this 100% false imformation??? I speak japanese anad LIVE in Japan, I can tell you that Japanese does have longue and short vowel and they are very important, very! >You are confusing it with Chinese, where the inflection of the letters determines whether you are saying "Shirt" or "Burp". *I don't know many Chinese words so I can't help you there. On a last exemple, which is more relevant, there is a city in Japan named okawa and an other named ookawa. One mean small river, the otehr means big river, longue and short vowels are, as I siad, extremely important. -Voltaic Agasha Kijutsu "hey man! how Greece? I think Hoshi too busy in tengoku to be emperor at the same time..." __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From box at metrocast.net Tue Nov 26 23:30:23 2002 From: box at metrocast.net (Ha Ha Ha) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:13 2003 Subject: [dragon] new spoilers In-Reply-To: <20021126205905.15598.qmail@web10107.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Nope. You don't automatically kill it. Not all duels are lethal, and this ancestor - per spoiled text - does NOT "switch" the stats; it merely looks at one instead of the other, leaving them both where they belong. Furthermore, it does not even grant "automatic" victory in any given duel. There's still Kharmic, Another Time, etc. BUT ... Yes, it will certainly help against a lot of meta. There is so much damned anti-duel meta in this environment that one cannot run a true dueling deck any more. You have to have a sprinkling of duels as a tool, these days, instead of being the old, "I have every duel ever printed in my deck and you will lose them all, fool!" So, it is cool to see something (Unique though it may be - did you catch the FV on it, BTW?) that will help (e.g. Blade of Truths). On Tuesday, November 26, 2002, at 03:59 PM, Yann Le Strat wrote: > According to Shiryu-sama, if you challenge a > dishonored personality, you automatically kill it. > As focuses are bonuses and as a dishonored personality > always have 0 personal honor whatever bonus it > receives, you always gain the duel. -T Togashi Ashido Dragon Clan Monk * Tattooed * Experienced The Wandering Monk * Unique From box at metrocast.net Tue Nov 26 23:34:05 2002 From: box at metrocast.net (Ha Ha Ha) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:13 2003 Subject: [dragon] Interesting deck concept...experimental In-Reply-To: <01d701c2957d$f3260140$ae92dc18@midco.net> Message-ID: <763732FF-01C1-11D7-98B6-003065E72BF2@metrocast.net> On Tuesday, November 26, 2002, at 01:59 PM, Eric Jacobson wrote: > Perverse. A tricky combo, but the cards a worthwhile in a Dragon > Movement > deck anyway. We'd just be adding Jaws of Victory and designing the > deck > around Tadao getting out Ring of Water for us. A REALLY good idea, although rare combo intensive. Then again, with either SM or ST/Hiroko, it probably can be done fairly often. Damn damn damn that Gempukku won't run right now for me. I love that the game has again reached the point (although just barely) where you no longer are limited to like two different decklists if you ever want to win with any given Clan. What I loved about Dragon and Brotherhood in Open the most was that you could truly build the weirdest, off-the-wall decks with all those underutilized cards, and clean house (until everyone started metagaming against you!). THAT was what Dragon was all about, for me. I warmly welcome the return of such an environment. Please, since I'm in a state where nobody seems to know of the game (or even gaming stores), and while Gempukku won't run for me right now, try this combo, and let me know how it works for you. I can help you with the decklist, if you'd like; I have some good experience with military Dragon. > Thoughts? Ice Cream? Grape juice! > Hitomi Jaek -T Togashi Ashido Dragon Clan Monk * Tattooed * Experienced The Wandering Monk * Unique From box at metrocast.net Tue Nov 26 23:38:38 2002 From: box at metrocast.net (Ha Ha Ha) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:13 2003 Subject: [dragon] Re: Names (useless imformation for most) In-Reply-To: <20021126155340.53562.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1919490D-01C2-11D7-98B6-003065E72BF2@metrocast.net> Greetings. Well, I don't think I ever implied that any of the names were necessarily intentional. I chose Ashido because it sounds cool; not because I think it means anything. Likewise, I never meant to put forth that AEG chooses any names for any reason other than that they sound cool, or Asian. That's it. But it is still interesting to find that some of them can be correllated with actual Asian words. Don't you? On Tuesday, November 26, 2002, at 10:53 AM, riku terio wrote: > Well... accually no, most names that AEG uses are > used because they sound cool. Shaitung for exemple is > a chinese name (I think? or korean or ?). "Si" for > exemple doesn't exit in Japanese like "tu" or "ti" > but they are still used cause they sound cool and like > 99.9999% of l5r players, people just don't care! I > told AEG they could ask me to proof read their names > they said OK but never asked... so what though? > > Agasha Kijutsu -T Togashi Ashido Dragon Clan Monk * Tattooed * Experienced The Wandering Monk * Unique From mirumotoshiryu at wanadoo.fr Wed Nov 27 06:17:11 2002 From: mirumotoshiryu at wanadoo.fr (Paul Jacoby) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:13 2003 Subject: [dragon] new spoilers References: <20021126205905.15598.qmail@web10107.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002b01c295d4$3d480290$85700850@crystal2> >According to Shiryu-sama, if you challenge a >dishonored personality, you automatically kill it. That's not what I said, I said barring other effects you'll automatically win the duel, this is different. But there is no stat swapping, the personnality doesn't die due to having 0 Chi. It just stays at 0PH no matter how much he/she focuses. Archive, under "Duel" : << Because focuses provide a stat bonus, effects that prevent bonuses will affect focusing (e.g., Monsoon, Naga Guard). [Reversal, JA, e- mail, 30 August 2000] >> Coupled with Rulebook, p. 60 << Dishonored Personnalities have 0 Personnal Honor at all times; apply this change last, after all other modifications. >> >As focuses are bonuses and as a dishonored personality >always have 0 personal honor whatever bonus it >receives, you always gain the duel. That's correct (if you have more than 0PH, and your opponent doesn't play karmic strike or something like that, that is) (and Jeff just confirmed it for those dubious about it ^_~) >Tamori Yan Paul "Mirumoto Shiryu" Yokuni's Yojimbo L5R Europe Rules Deputy Check out Yokuni's Legacy at http://yokuni.cjb.net !!! From jajung at DIRECTVInternet.com Wed Nov 27 00:24:04 2002 From: jajung at DIRECTVInternet.com (Jeff Jung) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:13 2003 Subject: [dragon] Re: Names References: <20021127042928.32117.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001901c295d5$34712c40$a981c040@jeffjung> > >All vowels in Japanese are long. Online-translators > don't care which syllables are emphasized, because > ALL of the vowels are Long vowels. > > *Now where did you get this 100% false imformation??? > I speak japanese anad LIVE in Japan, I can tell you > that Japanese does have longue and short vowel and > they are very important, very! I think the confusion is in that you are each using different definitions for long and short... we've got one side, in which long and short vowels are pronounced different (Ie, the 'a' sounds as in 'hay' and 'hah', or perhaps the different tonalities that appear in some other Asian languages), then the other, in which the sounds are pronounced the same, but may have a different duration, which can change the meaning. Soshi Tenbin Scorpion Clan Courtier. Shugenja. (and not that it matters, but 'tenbin' translates to 'scales' or 'balance', which is what I hope to insinuate into this little matter) From dhanauer at vt.edu Wed Nov 27 00:41:35 2002 From: dhanauer at vt.edu (Donald Hanauer, II) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:13 2003 Subject: [dragon] Chuichi In-Reply-To: <7676C5C0-01C0-11D7-98B6-003065E72BF2@metrocast.net> References: Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20021127004135.0079edf0@mail.vt.edu> At 11:26 PM 11/26/02 -0500, you wrote: > >On Tuesday, November 26, 2002, at 04:18 PM, Rick Beidleman wrote: > >> *Hoshi Chuichi (fixed card) >> 2f / 4c 2/7/2 >> Dragon Clan Monk . Unique >> Chuichi gains +2F / +2C while bowed. >> Chuichi adds to his unit's total Force even when bowed. > > RANT MODE ON: > > Okay, so not only is our fixed Personalitty a Unique (to be >expected), but he is YET ANOTHER NON-EXP UNIQUE. We lose out on another >opportunity to get an overlay! Hate to step on your rant, but from what I've seen, there are only like 5 or 6 experienced personalities in the set - and only 4 total overlays (Shono, Kaukatsu, Kiyo, and Kyofu). 2 of them are Scorpion and the third (Kyofu) is questionable as to if it'll happen much in a Crab deck given the need of 6 honor to play Kuroda. And I'm having a feeling that there will be less overlays in Diamond than there were at the start of Gold. Not just for us, but for everyone. > Yes, I've seen the numbers, and Dragon is presently one of the best >Clans out there for successful running of Shintao LIbrary. Cool. >Because I have used that Holding to great success in decks of mine. >That's wonderful. But we have two overlays. TWO. Only the Mantis have >fewer than we. And one of those overlays is out-of-Clan and of >questionable worth to begin with. So, really, only one overlay. > > It's maddening. We have almost always done extremely well with >Experienced Personalities. Our Exps in Gold are almost all VERY good >cards. So we use them, often, in certain decks. Since they cannot >overlay, they artificially increase the average gold cost of our >Personality base! A smart player would use almost none of our Exps, due >to this fact alone! > > So here's a chance to get a second real overlay in this environment, >but no dice. How hard would it have been for this guy to have been an >exp Takeji, or Iroshi? Not real hard. > > Don't get me wrong. I like the card. I like it quite a bit, >actually. If he's Tattooed, I'll be dancing in the streets. But I'm >sure you see my point. > > But I'm not done. > > In expansions, you usually get a rare who is usually Unique. Each >Clan gets this, in almost every expansion since Gold. Okay, fine. As >one of the three Clans to get a new Stronghold in an expansion, you >often get a bonus Personality, who is fixed and usually Unique. What >did we get? SOMETHING OTHER THAN AN OVERLAY. > > BOTH TIMES. > > The Zokujin is a bad idea in anything but a trick/goof deck (and I >know there's nothing wrong with having fun decks! But, still). The Monk >is a good card. But NEITHER are overlays! TWO CHANCES, and NEITHER. How >hard would it have been? > > I'm sure I'll get over it. I'm sure I'll use both Personalities in >the proper deck. I'm sure I'll collect multiples of each, because I'm a >raving fanboy and, believe it or not, have kept every copy of Tamori >Shunsen from BB (something like 16-20 of them), even though she's a >total coaster. I'm sure I'll move on. > > But, still. You gotta see where I'm coming from, right? > > RANT MODE OFF. > > Thanks for listening. *bow* > >-T >Togashi Ashido >Dragon Clan Monk * Tattooed * Experienced The Wandering Monk * Unique > > >_______________________________________________ >Dragon mailing list >Dragon@michonline.com >http://michonline.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dragon > Mirumoto Taikishi Dragon Clan Duelist * Toturi's Army Samurai * Wolf Legion Bounty Hunter #486 From box at metrocast.net Wed Nov 27 00:43:27 2002 From: box at metrocast.net (Ha Ha Ha) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:13 2003 Subject: [dragon] Chuichi In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20021127004135.0079edf0@mail.vt.edu> Message-ID: <26B9A9B7-01CB-11D7-98B6-003065E72BF2@metrocast.net> On Wednesday, November 27, 2002, at 12:41 AM, Donald Hanauer, II wrote: > Hate to step on your rant, but from what I've seen, there are only > like 5 > or 6 experienced personalities in the set - and only 4 total overlays > (Shono, Kaukatsu, Kiyo, and Kyofu). 2 of them are Scorpion and the > third > (Kyofu) is questionable as to if it'll happen much in a Crab deck > given the > need of 6 honor to play Kuroda. And I'm having a feeling that there > will be > less overlays in Diamond than there were at the start of Gold. Not > just for > us, but for everyone. Can't you just let me have my fun? *sigh* -T Togashi Ashido Dragon Clan Monk * Tattooed * Experienced The Wandering Monk * Unique From MirumotoMorimoto at aol.com Wed Nov 27 00:44:44 2002 From: MirumotoMorimoto at aol.com (MirumotoMorimoto@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:13 2003 Subject: [dragon] Chuichi Message-ID: <6b.2f19f3f.2b15b5cc@aol.com> In a message dated 11/27/02 12:35:16 AM US Eastern Standard Time, dhanauer@vt.edu writes: > Don't forget that mega-hottie Shaitung! Also Kuni Utagu, Asahina Sekawa, Kyoso no Oni, Yoritomo Kitao, etc. I'm sure there's more, but I really don't feel like looking through my collection. Now as far as usable overlays, I'm not sure, but I'm sure there are fewer worthwhile exp. personalities than the total. Mirumoto Morimoto -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20021127/9222cb5c/attachment.html From box at metrocast.net Wed Nov 27 01:06:06 2002 From: box at metrocast.net (Ha Ha Ha) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:13 2003 Subject: [dragon] Chuichi In-Reply-To: <6b.2f19f3f.2b15b5cc@aol.com> Message-ID: <511B00F5-01CE-11D7-98B6-003065E72BF2@metrocast.net> On Wednesday, November 27, 2002, at 12:44 AM, MirumotoMorimoto@aol.com wrote: > Don't forget that mega-hottie Shaitung! ?Also Kuni Utagu, Asahina > Sekawa, Kyoso no Oni, Yoritomo Kitao, etc. ?I'm sure there's more, but > I really don't feel like looking through my collection. ?Now as far as > usable overlays, I'm not sure, but I'm sure there are fewer worthwhile > exp. personalities than the total. I guess that my definition of usable meant in-Clan. As in, you could get them for 2 less or for honour if you didn't overlay. Meaning that we have one usable overlay: Shaitung. Junnosuke, our other overlay, is out-of-Clan. > Mirumoto Morimoto -T Togashi Ashido Dragon Clan Monk * Tattooed * Experienced The Wandering Monk * Unique From SLcpUnK420002 at aol.com Wed Nov 27 01:06:08 2002 From: SLcpUnK420002 at aol.com (SLcpUnK420002@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:13 2003 Subject: [dragon] Chuichi Message-ID: <10c.1b2fe724.2b15bad0@aol.com> In a message dated 11/26/02 10:26:24 PM, box@metrocast.net writes: << On Tuesday, November 26, 2002, at 04:18 PM, Rick Beidleman wrote: > *Hoshi Chuichi (fixed card) > 2f / 4c 2/7/2 > Dragon Clan Monk . Unique > Chuichi gains +2F / +2C while bowed. > Chuichi adds to his unit's total Force even when bowed. RANT MODE ON: Okay, so not only is our fixed Personalitty a Unique (to be expected), but he is YET ANOTHER NON-EXP UNIQUE. We lose out on another opportunity to get an overlay! Yes, I've seen the numbers, and Dragon is presently one of the best Clans out there for successful running of Shintao LIbrary. Cool. Because I have used that Holding to great success in decks of mine. That's wonderful. But we have two overlays. TWO. Only the Mantis have fewer than we. And one of those overlays is out-of-Clan and of questionable worth to begin with. So, really, only one overlay. It's maddening. We have almost always done extremely well with Experienced Personalities. Our Exps in Gold are almost all VERY good cards. So we use them, often, in certain decks. Since they cannot overlay, they artificially increase the average gold cost of our Personality base! A smart player would use almost none of our Exps, due to this fact alone! So here's a chance to get a second real overlay in this environment, but no dice. How hard would it have been for this guy to have been an exp Takeji, or Iroshi? Not real hard. Don't get me wrong. I like the card. I like it quite a bit, actually. If he's Tattooed, I'll be dancing in the streets. But I'm sure you see my point. But I'm not done. In expansions, you usually get a rare who is usually Unique. Each Clan gets this, in almost every expansion since Gold. Okay, fine. As one of the three Clans to get a new Stronghold in an expansion, you often get a bonus Personality, who is fixed and usually Unique. What did we get? SOMETHING OTHER THAN AN OVERLAY. BOTH TIMES. The Zokujin is a bad idea in anything but a trick/goof deck (and I know there's nothing wrong with having fun decks! But, still). The Monk is a good card. But NEITHER are overlays! TWO CHANCES, and NEITHER. How hard would it have been? I'm sure I'll get over it. I'm sure I'll use both Personalities in the proper deck. I'm sure I'll collect multiples of each, because I'm a raving fanboy and, believe it or not, have kept every copy of Tamori Shunsen from BB (something like 16-20 of them), even though she's a total coaster. I'm sure I'll move on. But, still. You gotta see where I'm coming from, right? RANT MODE OFF. Thanks for listening. *bow* -T Togashi Ashido Dragon Clan Monk * Tattooed * Experienced The Wandering Monk * Unique >> I think the same, i am dying to see a vedau or rosanjin EXP instead of some mere monk who nobody knew or cared about before the set,You all know i rant all the time so im going to just shut up and enjoy the game since i have no power anyway. Mirumoto Jon Dragon Clan Berserker*Tattooed madman*Crab clan From SLcpUnK420002 at aol.com Wed Nov 27 01:08:17 2002 From: SLcpUnK420002 at aol.com (SLcpUnK420002@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:13 2003 Subject: [dragon] The Kokujin Always Triumphs Message-ID: <195.11415b16.2b15bb51@aol.com> In a message dated 11/26/02 10:24:51 PM, MechWar13@aol.com writes: << does anyone else think this is gonna end like the black knight fight in Monty Python and the holy grail? Come on, look who's writing this. It's Rich "Rokugan 90210" "Fuzake Garou" Wulf. I can definately see the fight coming down to Kaelung and his ono and Kokujin and the daisho. The two battle for a while but Kaelung cuts one of kokujin's arms off. they bicker a bit about the wound being a scratch. The fight continues and Kaelung cuts off the other arm. They bicker about Fleshwounds. Kaelung then cuts off one of Kokujin's legs, seriously agravating him. Kokujin: Right. I'll do you for that! Kaelung: You'll what? Kokujin: Come here! Kaelung: What are you going to do, bleed on me? Kokujin: I'm Immortal! Kaelung: You're a looney. Kokujin: The Kokujin always triumphs! Have at you! Come on, then. Kaelun then cuts off the other leg. The torso that was once kokujin looks around a bit and says "let's call it a draw." Kaelung picks up Togashi's daisho and hands it to Satsu. he then motions for the survivors to follow him to the Dragon's lands. Togashi Raiden Dragon Clan Son of a Silly Person*Shugenja* Monk* Unique Open: Bow to shoot off Fireworks. Toss a coin in the air and if it lands on a card the card get's hit with a ranged 3 attack. If the card doesn't have a printed force it's force is considered zero. "There are those that call me Tim?" >> heheheheheheheheheh! Mirumoto Jon Dragon Clan Berserker*Tattooed Madman*Crab clan From SLcpUnK420002 at aol.com Wed Nov 27 01:10:00 2002 From: SLcpUnK420002 at aol.com (SLcpUnK420002@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:13 2003 Subject: [dragon] FOU Spoiler Message-ID: is there a site we can see the artwork for these? Mirumoto Jon Dragon Clan Berserker*Tattooed Madman*Crab clan From ilan.muskat at mail.mcgill.ca Wed Nov 27 01:47:25 2002 From: ilan.muskat at mail.mcgill.ca (Ilan Muskat) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:13 2003 Subject: [dragon] Overlays References: <20021127060902.28083.15970.Mailman@michonline.com> Message-ID: <000401c295e0$dc187b00$6401a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Yeah, Dragon especially get short-ended when you compare to people like Lion. Let's Go: - Hataki -> Hataki XP - Domotai -> Domotai XP - Kitsu Dejiko -> Kitsu Dejiko XP - Ikoma Otemi -> Ikoma Otemi XP ...with Ijiasu waiting in the wings (confirmed, Storyline victory) and Hyun likely to level up after the Onisu fight (note that not everyone who fought an Onisu will level... the new Scorp, Seiyo, has flavour text indicating that he killed Bayushi Shixiang, as in the "Shadow's Claw" card). At least Shaitung is massively great as an XP card. Junnosuke... well... he's the poster-boy for "Squandered Potential". Kinra From mazinman at yahoo.com Tue Nov 26 23:07:56 2002 From: mazinman at yahoo.com (David Rodriguez) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:13 2003 Subject: [dragon] The Kokujin Always Triumphs In-Reply-To: <195.11415b16.2b15bb51@aol.com> Message-ID: <20021127070756.58586.qmail@web13405.mail.yahoo.com> I don't agree. The fight will end when Chieko unleashes her pet bunny and it decapitates Messenger Boy. :P - Hitomi Shujyo --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20021126/471e7ce8/attachment.html From togashilove at hotmail.com Wed Nov 27 11:02:53 2002 From: togashilove at hotmail.com (John Panagiotakis) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:13 2003 Subject: [dragon] FOU Spoiler Message-ID: Greetings, "Rick Beidleman" wrote: > >*Hoshi Chuichi (fixed card) >2f / 4c 2/7/2 >Dragon Clan Monk . Unique >Chuichi gains +2F / +2C while bowed. >Chuichi adds to his unit's total Force even when bowed. Well, this certainly blows up all my hopes for a Kitsuki personality. Damn 8( He's stats are pretty good for a military deck using tricks. Too bad he isn't tattooed but his innate spider tattoo is nice. He can make good use of Purity of Spirit, Chasing Osano-Wo, Palm Stike, Kukan-do, The Thunder's Clap etc. If only he was an overlay version... *sigh* just another unique non-exp. >*Mirumoto Tachiyama (uncommon) >2f / 2c 6/7/3 >Dragon Clan Samurai >While opposed by one or more personalities in a battle >or duel, Tachiyama gains a Force and Chi bonus equal to >half the cards in the opposing player's hand, rounded down. 2F/2C What's that? Takeji's brother? 6RFH??? What? 8< Aside from the ph3 and the I.art-free ability, he's not worth the try. >*Hurricane Tattoo > >Limited: Target one of your personalities with the Tattooed >Trait and without a Hurricane Tattoo. For the rest of the game, >the personality has a Hurricane Tattoo, -1 F and gains the >ability: Battle: Bow this Personality to give all opposing >Personalities and Followers -1 F. Hmmm... an innnate Desparate Act. My first reaction was that this made a good combo with Chuichi, then I noticed that he was missing the tattooed trait. 8\ Amazing, have the Hoshi-"blood_for_tattooing"-banks run dried?? Apart from Eisai and Wayan I can't remember a tattooed gold legal Hoshi...8( >Kitsuki Kyomitsu >Dragon Clan Magistrate * Samurai * Soul of Mirumoto Issai I'll add the following which I found on Dragonstrategy: *Fury of the Damned (uncommon) Battle: Give +3f / +3c to a Shadowlands Personality opposed by one or more Shadowlands cards. "If you must destroy the Dragon," Tsuge whispered, driven to his knees by his wounds, "then destroy the Phoenix as well." The Dark Oracle of Fire laughed and the mountains creied out in fury. Now Tamori was truly free... 8<> DEAR TOGASHI ! ! ! ___Togashi Agozatsu___ *Dragon Clan Samurai*Monk*Tattooed* Acolyte_of_Maths*Storyteller*exp* *Will only join the Dragon or Scorpion clan* "Each path that is true is dangerous. If there is no one to bar your way, no challenge to overcome, then you know that the choice is honorless." -Hitomi ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From yannlestrat at yahoo.fr Wed Nov 27 10:18:06 2002 From: yannlestrat at yahoo.fr (=?iso-8859-1?q?Yann=20Le=20Strat?=) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:13 2003 Subject: [dragon] new spoilers In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20021126174526.007a8b50@mail.vt.edu> Message-ID: <20021127091806.50792.qmail@web10105.mail.yahoo.com> --- "Donald Hanauer, II" a ?crit?: > > >> Anyone else have any ideas? > > >According to Shiryu-sama, if you challenge a > >dishonored personality, you automatically kill it. > >As focuses are bonuses and as a dishonored > personality > >always have 0 personal honor whatever bonus it > >receives, you always gain the duel. > > Incorrect, I'm afraid. Otherwise Test of Might would > kill anyone who has 0F > before the first focus. Comparing a duel to > Honor/Force or changing it to > Honor/Force is not the same as replacing Chi with > Force/Honor. Comparing > and changing just means that you use a different > stat. Replacing means just > that - you use your Honor/Force AS your Chi. Make > sense, or is it as clear > as mud? :) Rather muddy to me. :) I didn't write that the personality died immediatly. I said that whatever focus it will play, it will stay at 0. So, no hope to win for a dishonored personality. Just strike and lose. And 2 apologies : First to Shishi-sama. I didn't mean that he edicted the combo as an official rule, but that he was the one who proposed it. I did not think of it first, so I mention his name as the player who found it, not as officiel referee. I didn't want to have credit for something I do not deserve. Sorry if it was misplaced. Second, for the 6 cards combo, I realize later that it wasn't possible as you must bow the ancestor to change the duel as an honor one. Anyway judgement+ shiryo is (once per turn) an ultimate combo. And now, something completly different. Tamori Yan > > > Mirumoto Taikishi > Dragon Clan Duelist * Toturi's Army Samurai * Wolf > Legion > Bounty Hunter #486 ___________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en fran?ais ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com From togashilove at hotmail.com Wed Nov 27 11:36:22 2002 From: togashilove at hotmail.com (John Panagiotakis) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:14 2003 Subject: [dragon] [Dragon Clan] Imperial Assembly Message-ID: Has anyone had problems registrating at the Imperial Assembly? A friend of mine has sent the application for quite some time now, he has received a reply from the bank mentioning that they got the money, alas nothing further... Any similar experiences? ___Togashi Agozatsu___ *Dragon Clan Samurai*Monk*Tattooed* Acolyte_of_Maths*Storyteller*exp* *Will only join the Dragon or Scorpion clan* "Each path that is true is dangerous. If there is no one to bar your way, no challenge to overcome, then you know that the choice is honorless." -Hitomi ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From colm_mcfadden at yahoo.com Wed Nov 27 09:39:06 2002 From: colm_mcfadden at yahoo.com (Colm McFadden) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:14 2003 Subject: [dragon] [Dragon Clan] Imperial Assembly References: Message-ID: <001e01c295f8$d437f420$2446a8c0@mrharsh> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Panagiotakis" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 9:36 AM Subject: [dragon] [Dragon Clan] Imperial Assembly > Has anyone had problems registrating at the Imperial Assembly? A friend of > mine has sent the application for quite some time now, he has received a > reply from the bank mentioning that they got the money, alas nothing > further... Any similar experiences? > > ___Togashi Agozatsu___ > *Dragon Clan Samurai*Monk*Tattooed* > Acolyte_of_Maths*Storyteller*exp* > *Will only join the Dragon or Scorpion clan* > "Each path that is true is dangerous. If there is no one to bar > your way, no challenge to overcome, then you know that the choice > is honorless." -Hitomi > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > I didn't get any indication that I was part of the Imperial Assembly until I got the first Herald through the post. Don't know when the next one is due... Mirumoto Taneka From togashilove at hotmail.com Wed Nov 27 12:12:37 2002 From: togashilove at hotmail.com (John Panagiotakis) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:14 2003 Subject: [dragon] Imperial Assembly Message-ID: Greetings, >From: "Colm McFadden" > >I didn't get any indication that I was part of the Imperial Assembly >until >I got the first Herald through the post. Don't know when the >next one is >due... > >Mirumoto Taneka That's not very encouraging but, anyway, thanx. Did it include the password for the clan letters or did they email it to you? ___Togashi Agozatsu___ *Dragon Clan Samurai*Monk*Tattooed* Acolyte_of_Maths*Storyteller*exp* *Will only join the Dragon or Scorpion clan* "Each path that is true is dangerous. If there is no one to bar your way, no challenge to overcome, then you know that the choice is honorless." -Hitomi ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From puck at holycow.com Wed Nov 27 02:13:40 2002 From: puck at holycow.com (Joe Fulgham) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:14 2003 Subject: [dragon] [Dragon Clan] Imperial Assembly In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002c01c295fd$aa259750$6401a8c0@puck> > Has anyone had problems registrating at the Imperial > Assembly? A friend of > mine has sent the application for quite some time now, he has > received a > reply from the bank mentioning that they got the money, alas nothing > further... Any similar experiences? As noted, you generally know you're in when you get your first Herald. But you can double-check by emailing imperialassembly@alderac.com Joe Fulgham | Hitomi Pukku | puck@holycow.com Dragon Clan Shugenja * Master of the Web * Dragon in Black * Secret Master of L5R | http://www.holycow.com/l5r/ L5R Code (2.2): DR++ S++ G++ Y+ P:M-H+D-E(5) O- EJ- SJ+ SG+ I++ Sc(86) C++++ E++ M- T-- Sd- D+ K H++ Tk IC++ U++ From colm_mcfadden at yahoo.com Wed Nov 27 10:18:09 2002 From: colm_mcfadden at yahoo.com (Colm McFadden) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:14 2003 Subject: [dragon] Imperial Assembly References: Message-ID: <003301c295fe$48ea6d70$2446a8c0@mrharsh> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Panagiotakis" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [dragon] Imperial Assembly > Greetings, > > >From: "Colm McFadden" > > > >I didn't get any indication that I was part of the Imperial Assembly >until > >I got the first Herald through the post. Don't know when the >next one is > >due... > > > >Mirumoto Taneka > > That's not very encouraging but, anyway, thanx. Did it include the password > for the clan letters or did they email it to you? > They include the password in the package. It's normally on rthe address label at the front. Mirumoto Taneka From togashilove at hotmail.com Wed Nov 27 12:54:56 2002 From: togashilove at hotmail.com (John Panagiotakis) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:14 2003 Subject: [dragon] Imperial Assembly Message-ID: >From: "Joe Fulgham" > >But you can double-check by emailing imperialassembly@alderac.com > >Joe Fulgham | Hitomi Pukku Thank you so much Pukku-san!! ___Togashi Agozatsu___ *Dragon Clan Samurai*Monk*Tattooed* Acolyte_of_Maths*Storyteller*exp* *Will only join the Dragon or Scorpion clan* "Each path that is true is dangerous. If there is no one to bar your way, no challenge to overcome, then you know that the choice is honorless." -Hitomi ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From togashilove at hotmail.com Wed Nov 27 12:56:42 2002 From: togashilove at hotmail.com (John Panagiotakis) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:14 2003 Subject: [dragon] Imperial Assembly Message-ID: "Colm McFadden" wrote: > >They include the password in the package. It's normally on rthe address >label at the front. > >Mirumoto Taneka Ok, thanks again for all the help! ___Togashi Agozatsu___ *Dragon Clan Samurai*Monk*Tattooed* Acolyte_of_Maths*Storyteller*exp* *Will only join the Dragon or Scorpion clan* "Each path that is true is dangerous. If there is no one to bar your way, no challenge to overcome, then you know that the choice is honorless." -Hitomi ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From lodoss_warrior at hotmail.com Wed Nov 27 11:10:27 2002 From: lodoss_warrior at hotmail.com (siow wee liang) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:14 2003 Subject: [dragon] Shiro Tamori Enlightenment Deck Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20021127/b2230a76/attachment.html From ryoushi at gdronline.it Wed Nov 27 11:37:01 2002 From: ryoushi at gdronline.it (Togashi Ryoushi) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:14 2003 Subject: [dragon] Shiro Tamori Enlightenment Deck In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8BFD7C19-01FC-11D7-8E61-0003939BD06C@gdronline.it> On Wednesday, November 27, 2002, at 11:10 , siow wee liang wrote: > Hi brethens, > > I have always been intrigued by enlightenment, although it is?the > hardest to win by?enlightenment, i am thinking that?our new stronghold > might look promising for enlightenment. This is my second try at > enlightenment, i hope all can help me by giving comments. domo-arigatos. > Hi, I had some problems quoting your text, so I'll just give a couple of general lines. Anyway I'm pretty much a beginner, and don't have much experience about enlightment. Still, here are a few suggestions: For Air -> I would add another dragon tattoo to make it more reliable For Earth -> Seems fine For Water -> Seems fine (but this is the hardest one, so I'll leave it to the more expert) For Fire -> I would definitly add the new Mirumoto samurai and the new ancestor if you are playing with Shiro Tamori For Void -> The stronghold should be enough Personality-wise, I am not sure why you put Isawa Taeruko (for the Bridged Pass), but then I don't know much about Phoenix anyway. :) I would remove Taeruko, and at least a couple of Nyima and add 3 Tachiyama and some strong personality to win battles with, like Vedau. This should make the whole Armour of Osano-Wo combo a bit more reliable. For your holdings I would remove Shrine of the Dragon champion and put 2xShrine of the Sun, and the new Togashi's shrine. I am also not sure about Sanctified temple since you seem not to be trying to win by honour anyway: your deck if very focused toward enlightment. I like you idea of Bridged Pass, though... I totally forgot about that card. :) I can't think of much else to say. I hope this helped. :) *bows* Togashi Ryoushi Dragon clan tattooed monk -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 1754 bytes Desc: not available Url : /pipermail/attachments/20021127/f1b97e8c/attachment.bin From gaidin71 at hotmail.com Wed Nov 27 12:03:18 2002 From: gaidin71 at hotmail.com (Michael Iakovides) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:14 2003 Subject: [dragon] new spoilers Message-ID: where exactly in the dragonstrategy site are the spoilers? Regards, Michael Iakovides Mirumoto Izo Tainted Tattoed Samurai _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From TaintedTattoo at aol.com Wed Nov 27 07:26:44 2002 From: TaintedTattoo at aol.com (TaintedTattoo@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:14 2003 Subject: [dragon] new spoilers Message-ID: <9c.29fddd6e.2b161404@aol.com> The< are at "Randon Stuff" Hitomi Hakene Dragon Clan Tattooed Shadowlands Madmen "Sometimes you must embrace the darkness to ascend in light" Visit Shrine of the new Moon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20021127/00c04467/attachment.html From mkd8 at cornell.edu Wed Nov 27 07:35:34 2002 From: mkd8 at cornell.edu (Matt Dalen) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:14 2003 Subject: [dragon] Spoilers Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20021127073331.01d980d8@postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu> From mkd8 at cornell.edu Wed Nov 27 07:35:34 2002 From: mkd8 at cornell.edu (Matt Dalen) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:14 2003 Subject: [dragon] Spoilers Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20021127073331.01d980d8@postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu> Well, I'm still compiling a list of spoilers from the web at http://people.cornell.edu/pages/mkd8/ . My most recent additions to the list are: Kaeru Contractor (holding) Hoshi Chuichi Mirumoto Tachiyama Iuchi Huasha Forward Guard (action) Hurricane Tattoo Arrow of Purity (spell) Perfect Attunement (spell) Playing With Madness (kiho) If you see something wrong, or have a card I'm missing, let me know. From colm_mcfadden at yahoo.com Wed Nov 27 12:54:52 2002 From: colm_mcfadden at yahoo.com (Colm McFadden) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:14 2003 Subject: [dragon] Shiro Tamori Enlightenment Deck References: Message-ID: <005301c29614$2d5e43e0$2446a8c0@mrharsh> ----- Original Message ----- From: siow wee liang To: dragon@michonline.com Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 11:10 AM Subject: [dragon] Shiro Tamori Enlightenment Deck Hi brethens, I have always been intrigued by enlightenment, although it is the hardest to win by enlightenment, i am thinking that our new stronghold might look promising for enlightenment. This is my second try at enlightenment, i hope all can help me by giving comments. domo-arigatos. Shiro Tamori / Toturi Sezarudynasty:41 small farmx319 devout acolytesx2 gold minex3 jade worksx3 hiruma dojox2 sancified templex1 shrine of dragon championx1 oracle of earthx1 bridged passx3 campsitex33 a new emerald championx13 alliance - monkx1 imperial giftx1 hitomi akuai exp, -/8/1x116 hoshi eisai, 0/8/1x1 hoshi wayan exp, -/7/2x1 tamori chieko, 2/5/2x3 togashi nyima, -/5/1x3 togashi satsu, 2/8/3x1 isawa taeruko, 0/5/2x3 kaelung, 0/8/1x1 ninja spy, -/2/1x2 Fate cardstotal:40 ambushx24 iaijutsu artx22 enlightenmentx39 dragon tattoox26 poisoned weaponx26 deadly groundx22 night battlex22 sneak attackx26 rallying cryx26 counterattackx28 walking the wayx39 torrential rainx312 scout, -/1/-x24 celestial sword of dragon, -/8/-x14 drum of water, -/6/-x13 armor of osano-wo, -/3/-x22 armor of suntao, -/3/-x22 ring of airx14 ring of earthx14 ring of firex14 ring of voidx14 ring of waterx14 Ave Focus2.675 ======= I've got few things to say about this deck. Firstly, I ask my myself how are you going to get the right cards in hand at the right time? You've got 3 Walking the Ways, but hardly any draw engine in the deck. you've got the right cards for your combos, but no way's of getting them into your hand soon enough. Personally, I prefer to get RoA out using Look into the Void and a couple Hiroko reactions, or a Walking the Way or some other limited kiho with a shugenja rather than using Dragon Tattoo. This doubles up better for you as you're increasing your chances of getting to the right cards early, and getting the Ring of Air too. Nothing wrong with Dragon Tattoo idea, just I find RoA is so easy anyway, why not double up and get some other cards while you're doing it? I'd add 3 Hiroko and 2 Look into the Void to this deck. Also, consider adding 3 Aid of the Grandmaster to go with Look into the Void. Use something like 3 Personal Soheis or 3 Monks to play them. You can add Guiniko or Tajeki for this purpose. You should definitely consider adding Someisa from HoR to this deck; she can't be targetted by your opponents actions, so she's great for Ambush when you want to get RoW into play. Yes, she's from Heroes, but she's probably one of the cheapest and easiest to get from that set, and shouldn'r set you back any more than $10 from eBay. She's well worth it. Certain cards in the Dynasty deck seem to serve no purpose for enlightenment; Ninja Spy, Shrine of the Dragon Champion and New Emerald Champion. These should be dropped. Unless you can justify why a card is in the deck and how it's going to get a ring into play, there's no point in having them in the deck. You could drop these and add 3 Hirokos as you've only got 3 personalities in the deck anyway. Oh yeah, drop Alliance. Put more gold in instead, it helps you deck far more. I would also consider adding an Imperial Ambassadorship to this deck. It get's a card for a combo in hand, and cards are good. I'd drop a Campsite. 3 is overkill - plus what are you using the Campsite for? I don't see any Flattery, Come One At A Time or entrapping Terrains. You don't really have any defensive Battle actions at all. Yeah, they get you cards but you should try to utilise them by adding a few defensive cards that can take advantage of that card draw. COAAT and Flattery do just that. And that in turn helps get you RoVoid into play. There is more, but i'm tired now :-) Keep at it though; my current enlightenment deck is winning about 50% of it's games, which is a darn site better than some of my previous enlightenment efforts. It's a deck of continuous change and tweaking, but it's well worth it. It's one of the most fun deck types to play with. Regards, Mirumoto Taneka From ramela at cs.helsinki.fi Wed Nov 27 14:58:49 2002 From: ramela at cs.helsinki.fi (Anssi Ramela) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:14 2003 Subject: [dragon] Re: Names (useless imformation for most) References: <20021126155340.53562.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001901c29614$c8813b20$690da6c1@helia.amk> > P.S. "Togashi Hoshi" can be translated as "I want > Togashi". Don't we all? My school has a finnish-japanese dictionary in which hoshi was translated to t?hti. T?hti is finnish for star. Anssi Ramela From mkd8 at cornell.edu Wed Nov 27 08:04:58 2002 From: mkd8 at cornell.edu (Matt Dalen) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:14 2003 Subject: [dragon] Re: Names (useless imformation for most) In-Reply-To: <001901c29614$c8813b20$690da6c1@helia.amk> References: <20021126155340.53562.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20021127080120.01ccfc78@postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu> At 07:58 AM 11/27/2002,, you wrote: > > P.S. "Togashi Hoshi" can be translated as "I want > > Togashi". Don't we all? Technically, I believe that would be "Togashi wo hoshii", but I could be wrong. >My school has a finnish-japanese dictionary in >which hoshi was translated to t?hti. > >T?hti is finnish for star. The problem is that there are quite a few words that would be romanized to Hoshi; I've broken the words up into their syllables, since the Japanese alphabet is spelled using syllables rather than letters. (Ho)(shi) - star or dried, depending on the kanji (Ho)(shi)(i) - desired (Ho)(shi)(i)(i) - dried-boiled rice I would guess that the translation they were going for was Star. >Anssi Ramela Tamori Shosei (Matt Dalen) Dragon Clan Alchemist * Shugenja * Jade Hand Webmaster * Self Proclaimed Yu Master "Monkey is not merely a word... it is a way of life." From dhanauer at vt.edu Wed Nov 27 08:42:27 2002 From: dhanauer at vt.edu (Donald Hanauer, II) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:14 2003 Subject: [dragon] Chuichi In-Reply-To: <6b.2f19f3f.2b15b5cc@aol.com> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20021127084227.007a4260@mail.vt.edu> At 12:44 AM 11/27/02 -0500, you wrote: >In a message dated 11/27/02 12:35:16 AM US Eastern Standard Time, >dhanauer@vt.edu writes: > > >(Shono, Kaukatsu, Kiyo, and Kyofu). > > > Now as far as usable overlays, I'm not sure, but I'm sure there are >fewer worthwhile exp. personalities than the total. I was refering to FoU only, not all of Gold. :) >Mirumoto Morimoto Mirumoto Taikishi Dragon Clan Duelist * Toturi's Army Samurai * Wolf Legion Bounty Hunter #486 From richardmascarenhas at hotmail.com Wed Nov 27 13:04:28 2002 From: richardmascarenhas at hotmail.com (Richard Mascarenhas) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:15 2003 Subject: [dragon] new spoilers References: Message-ID: The Ancestor could be useful in enlightenment- for getting the Ring of Fire into play. Hitomi Ryoku ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Beidleman To: Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [dragon] new spoilers > > > >>> barryakunz@hotmail.com 11/26/02 12:23PM >>> > >From: "John Panagiotakis" > > > > > >>From: Togashi Ryoushi > >> > >>The rest of the spoilers, you can go to: > >>http://www.geocities.com/oteshi/Entrevista_listadecartasFOU.html > >> > >>*bows* > >> > >>Togashi Ryoushi > > > >Thank you so much Ryoushi-san. > > > >What do you guys think about our new ancestor? Apart from the flavor > text, > >I'm having a difficult time in spotting a good use for that card. > > It seems like a defensive ancestor. When that personality gets > challenged > by the monster chi guy, then you can bring the duel back to a level you > can > deal with. Not that I think an opponent would be stupid enough to > challenge > a peep with this ancestor. > > As far as using it in a pro-active manner goes, I really have no clue. > The > ancestor already gives you +1 chi. Maybe it would have been useful if > the > duel set your chi or stat used for duel equal to PH. That way it could > have > been used as p-kill as long as the other peep had 0 personal honor at > the > moment. > > Anyone else have any ideas? > > [KK] How about challenging an opposing peep with who has the clan > sword. > > Barry Kunz > Togashi Zembu > Herald of the New Dawn > > > Kitsuki Kyomitsu > Dragon Clan Magistrate * Samurai * Soul of Mirumoto Issai > > > > >___Togashi Agozatsu___ > >*Dragon Clan Samurai*Monk*Tattooed* > >Acolyte_of_Maths*Storyteller*exp* > > > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > _______________________________________________ > Dragon mailing list > Dragon@michonline.com > http://michonline.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dragon > > _______________________________________________ > Dragon mailing list > Dragon@michonline.com > http://michonline.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dragon > From jake2002 at sio.midco.net Wed Nov 27 09:01:29 2002 From: jake2002 at sio.midco.net (Eric Jacobson) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:15 2003 Subject: [dragon] Interesting deck concept...experimental References: <763732FF-01C1-11D7-98B6-003065E72BF2@metrocast.net> Message-ID: <002301c29625$ddadb3a0$ae92dc18@midco.net> > Please, since I'm in a state where nobody seems to know of the game > (or even gaming stores), and while Gempukku won't run for me right now, > try this combo, and let me know how it works for you. I can help you > with the decklist, if you'd like; I have some good experience with > military Dragon. > Okay, how about this (untested as yet): Shiro Tamori (as spoiled)- Sezaru Hoshi Tadao x3 Tamori Chieko x3 Mirumoto Rosanjin x3 Togashi Kansuke x3 Tamori Hiroko x2 Tamori Shaitung x1 Tamori Shaitung xp Hoshi Esai Hoshi Wayan Hitomi Kagetora xp Togashi Hoshi - This could use some real work Trading Grounds x3 Gold Mine x3 Jade Works x3 Hiruma Dojo x3 Gold Smith x1 Sanc Temples x2 Gifts and Favors x2 Bushi Dojo x2 Oracle of Water Imperial Gift Farmlands x2 Naga Tattoo x2 Superior Tactics x3 Gift of the Water Dragon x2 Ring of Water Ring of Void Walking the Way x2 Sneak Attack x3 Fight to the Setting Sun x2 Jaws of Victory x2 Rallying Cry x3 Hummingbird Tattoo x3 Palm Strike x3 Charge x3 Purity of Spirit x3 Chasing Osano-Wo x3 Biting Steel x2 Energy Transference x2 Heavy Infantry x3 Mirumoto House Guard I Challenge x3 I Duel x2 Test of Might x2 Shame x2 Torrential Rain x2 Can pitch some unneeded vs honor or military, but still quite a bit heavier than I'd like. Can't wait until Sunday when I will get the cards I need to playtest this! > > Thoughts? Ice Cream? > > Grape juice! > Applesauce! ;) Hitomi Jaek Dragon Clan Laughseeker * Shugenja * Monk * Tattooed "You know you're overly analytical when someone says, 'You think too much!' and you ask, 'What does that mean?'" From jake2002 at sio.midco.net Wed Nov 27 09:09:46 2002 From: jake2002 at sio.midco.net (Eric Jacobson) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:15 2003 Subject: [dragon] Rules Question - Alliance Message-ID: <005601c29627$06162240$ae92dc18@midco.net> Our local TO told me that Alliance no longer works on Monks as they are not a valid choice in the Gold arch. Is this correct? This one card could greatly speed up many of our decks...especially the ones I've been playing. Hitomi Jaek Dragon Clan Laughseeker * Shugenja * Monk * Tattooed "You know you're overly analytical when someone says, 'You think too much!' and you ask, 'What does that mean?'" From jamesfedt at hotmail.com Wed Nov 27 15:01:50 2002 From: jamesfedt at hotmail.com (Shiba Samoshii) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:15 2003 Subject: [dragon] Rules Question - Alliance References: <005601c29627$06162240$ae92dc18@midco.net> Message-ID: > Our local TO told me that Alliance no longer works on Monks as they are not > a valid choice in the Gold arch. Is this correct? This one card could > greatly speed up many of our decks...especially the ones I've been playing. That's not correct. Any faction listed on pp34-35 of the GE rulebook is a valid choice for the Event. And btw, whoever was counting overlays in FOU missed the TWO Phoenix overlays. Not that the basic version of either card actually sees play, but still ;) Shiba Samoshii From Rick.Beidleman at cs.oag.state.tx.us Wed Nov 27 09:05:58 2002 From: Rick.Beidleman at cs.oag.state.tx.us (Rick Beidleman) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:15 2003 Subject: [dragon] Rules Question - Alliance Message-ID: That's false. As long as they are listed as a faction in the rulebook, it works. >>> jake2002@sio.midco.net 11/27/02 09:09AM >>> Our local TO told me that Alliance no longer works on Monks as they are not a valid choice in the Gold arch. Is this correct? This one card could greatly speed up many of our decks...especially the ones I've been playing. Hitomi Jaek Dragon Clan Laughseeker * Shugenja * Monk * Tattooed "You know you're overly analytical when someone says, 'You think too much!' and you ask, 'What does that mean?'" _______________________________________________ Dragon mailing list Dragon@michonline.com http://michonline.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dragon From jake2002 at sio.midco.net Wed Nov 27 09:27:08 2002 From: jake2002 at sio.midco.net (Eric Jacobson) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:15 2003 Subject: [dragon] Shiro Tamori Enlightenment Deck References: <005301c29614$2d5e43e0$2446a8c0@mrharsh> Message-ID: <006901c29629$72bcda40$ae92dc18@midco.net> > Hi brethens, > I have always been intrigued by enlightenment, although it is the hardest to > win by enlightenment, i am thinking that our new stronghold might look > promising for enlightenment. This is my second try at enlightenment, i hope > all can help me by giving comments. domo-arigatos. > Shiro Tamori / Toturi Sezarudynasty:41 > small farmx319 > devout acolytesx2 > gold minex3 > jade worksx3 > hiruma dojox2 > sancified templex1 > shrine of dragon championx1 > oracle of earthx1 > bridged passx3 > Devout Acolytes will not be worth it. You have 1 Sanct Temple, the Shrine ??? and the Oracle of Earth. Bridged Pass is an interesting choice, but I'm thinking it may be too expensive. How have these worked for you? I run: SF x3; GM x3; JW x3; HD x3; MysticD x2; ST x2; Shin Mon x2; Oracle of Void It's pretty fast and runs well for me. The SF round off my 3's to make 4 when I need more than 1 per turn, otherwise I box the 4 gc cards. > campsitex33 I think 2 will be enough. Plan to possibly use the new Togashi's Shrine. > > a new emerald championx13 > alliance - monkx1 > imperial giftx1 Why the A New Emerald Champion? Drop. Consider things that help you get to cards faster like: Chrysanthemum Festival Glimpse of the Unicorn > > hitomi akuai exp, -/8/1x116 > hoshi eisai, 0/8/1x1 > hoshi wayan exp, -/7/2x1 > tamori chieko, 2/5/2x3 > togashi nyima, -/5/1x3 > togashi satsu, 2/8/3x1 > isawa taeruko, 0/5/2x3 > kaelung, 0/8/1x1 > ninja spy, -/2/1x2 > The military variety, huh? Helps if you play a lot of honor decks. I have trouble with Earth against Honor Runners. Not sure what else here. Not sure Taeruko is your best choice though. And you lack Hiroko. Should have 2 or even 3 of her in there. > Fate cardstotal:40 > ambushx24 > iaijutsu artx22 > enlightenmentx39 > dragon tattoox26 > poisoned weaponx26 > deadly groundx22 > night battlex22 > sneak attackx26 > rallying cryx26 > counterattackx28 > walking the wayx39 > torrential rainx312 > scout, -/1/-x24 > celestial sword of dragon, -/8/-x14 > drum of water, -/6/-x13 > armor of osano-wo, -/3/-x22 > armor of suntao, -/3/-x22 > ring of airx14 > ring of earthx14 > ring of firex14 > ring of voidx14 > ring of waterx14 > Ave Focus2.675 > > ======= > > I've got few things to say about this deck. > > Firstly, I ask my myself how are you going to get the right cards in hand at > the right time? You've got 3 Walking the Ways, but hardly any draw engine in > the deck. you've got the right cards for your combos, but no way's of > getting them into your hand soon enough. > Probably not a bad idea to consider a couple of Aid of the Grand Master. Shouldn't be a problem with the monks you run. > Personally, I prefer to get RoA out using Look into the Void and a couple > Hiroko reactions, or a Walking the Way or some other limited kiho with a > shugenja rather than using Dragon Tattoo. This doubles up better for you as > you're increasing your chances of getting to the right cards early, and > getting the Ring of Air too. Nothing wrong with Dragon Tattoo idea, just I > find RoA is so easy anyway, why not double up and get some other cards while > you're doing it? I'd add 3 Hiroko and 2 Look into the Void to this deck. > Ring of Air is so easy for us to get out. Hiroko and the box ability will be almost all we need. A Walking of Aid to go with it and you're golden. Not sure we need to use Look into the Void anymore with the box ability. It is nice though when you want to get another card. Hitomi Jaek Dragon Clan Laughseeker * Shugenja * Monk * Tattooed "You know you're overly analytical when someone says, 'You think too much!' and you ask, 'What does that mean?'" From pyros at wizard.com Wed Nov 27 07:39:12 2002 From: pyros at wizard.com (Luke Croteau) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:15 2003 Subject: [dragon] Re: Names In-Reply-To: <20021127042928.32117.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200211271539.gARFdBaW001459@emory.viawest.net> >*I don't know many Chinese words so I can't help you >there. On a last exemple, which is more relevant, >there is a city in Japan named okawa and an other >named ookawa. One mean small river, the otehr means >big river, longue and short vowels are, as I siad, >extremely important. I've been studying Japanese for nearly 15 years. While I'm not a native, I do feel I know the difference. Seems to me that since I've been helping people learn Japanese for almost as long as I've been speaking it, I know what I'm talking about. I'm not disregarding the fact that you're japanese, because of course, you are more of a master of the tongue than I am. My view, though, is from an English speaking person that speaks Japanese. Okawa is pronounced entirely different than Ookawa. The extended syllable is what gives you the different word. You don't Change the tonality of the "O" in the beginning. It's ALWAYS long. O-O-kah-wah is how it would be pronounced, as opposed to O-kah-wah. Arguing is fruitless however, as like you put it in the beginning, the names aren't made to be entirely Japanese. The culture and language of Rokugan is a strange hybrid of English, Japanese, Japanese, and Wickish. When I started playing, I tried to pronounce the names and phrases in the game as I do in Japanese.. Then I learned to just completely ignore it and say it how it sounds. That is afterall, how it works.. We're American, for the most part. We can't be bothered to learn Foreign tongues over a simple game. -Voltaic From colm_mcfadden at yahoo.com Wed Nov 27 16:01:11 2002 From: colm_mcfadden at yahoo.com (Colm McFadden) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:15 2003 Subject: [dragon] Shiro Tamori Enlightenment Deck References: <005301c29614$2d5e43e0$2446a8c0@mrharsh> <006901c29629$72bcda40$ae92dc18@midco.net> Message-ID: <00ab01c2962e$34a229e0$2446a8c0@mrharsh> > > I've got few things to say about this deck. > > > > Firstly, I ask my myself how are you going to get the right cards in hand > at > > the right time? You've got 3 Walking the Ways, but hardly any draw engine > in > > the deck. you've got the right cards for your combos, but no way's of > > getting them into your hand soon enough. > > > > Probably not a bad idea to consider a couple of Aid of the Grand Master. > Shouldn't be a problem with the monks you run. > You should always consider running cheap Monks so you can get them out early and get to the key cards quicker. I'd consider dumping Hoshi Easai as well. She's nothing more than an expensive Tajeki or Personal Sohei. Both of these can allow you to play Aid of the Grandmaster and Enlighenment perfectly well. > > Personally, I prefer to get RoA out using Look into the Void and a couple > > Hiroko reactions, or a Walking the Way or some other limited kiho with a > > shugenja rather than using Dragon Tattoo. This doubles up better for you > as > > you're increasing your chances of getting to the right cards early, and > > getting the Ring of Air too. Nothing wrong with Dragon Tattoo idea, just I > > find RoA is so easy anyway, why not double up and get some other cards > while > > you're doing it? I'd add 3 Hiroko and 2 Look into the Void to this deck. > > > > Ring of Air is so easy for us to get out. Hiroko and the box ability will > be almost all we need. A Walking of Aid to go with it and you're golden. > Not sure we need to use Look into the Void anymore with the box ability. It > is nice though when you want to get another card. > You can't guaruntee having all three Hiroko's in play when you ditch a card, so you need to add more spells to help get these things off early. Look into the Void is a fantastic fate manipulation card and it gives you an elemental action to discard a card so you can then use Hiroko's elemental reaction to get RoA. It's not even an issue getting ring of void into play with Shiro Tamori. It's a given with the Stronghold alone. Mirumoto Taneka From SLcpUnK420002 at aol.com Wed Nov 27 14:06:53 2002 From: SLcpUnK420002 at aol.com (SLcpUnK420002@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:15 2003 Subject: [dragon] [Dragon Clan] Imperial Assembly Message-ID: In a message dated 11/27/02 3:38:09 AM, togashilove@hotmail.com writes: << Has anyone had problems registrating at the Imperial Assembly? A friend of mine has sent the application for quite some time now, he has received a reply from the bank mentioning that they got the money, alas nothing further... Any similar experiences? ___Togashi Agozatsu___ *Dragon Clan Samurai*Monk*Tattooed* Acolyte_of_Maths*Storyteller*exp* *Will only join the Dragon or Scorpion clan* "Each path that is true is dangerous. If there is no one to bar your way, no challenge to overcome, then you know that the choice is honorless." -Hitomi ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> yes Mirumoto Jon Dragon Clan Berserker*Tattooed Madman*Crab clan From SLcpUnK420002 at aol.com Wed Nov 27 14:07:53 2002 From: SLcpUnK420002 at aol.com (SLcpUnK420002@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:15 2003 Subject: [dragon] [Dragon Clan] Imperial Assembly Message-ID: In a message dated 11/27/02 3:43:10 AM, colm_mcfadden@yahoo.com writes: << I didn't get any indication that I was part of the Imperial Assembly until I got the first Herald through the post. Don't know when the next one is due... Mirumoto Taneka >> What i forgot to say is i registered for it and payed and it never got here. Mirumoto Jon Dragon Clan Berserker*Tattooed Madman*Crab clan From SLcpUnK420002 at aol.com Wed Nov 27 14:18:00 2002 From: SLcpUnK420002 at aol.com (SLcpUnK420002@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:15 2003 Subject: [dragon] FOU Spoiler Message-ID: <121.1aac75af.2b167468@aol.com> In a message dated 11/27/02 3:05:12 AM, togashilove@hotmail.com writes: << *Fury of the Damned (uncommon) Battle: Give +3f / +3c to a Shadowlands Personality opposed by one or more Shadowlands cards. "If you must destroy the Dragon," Tsuge whispered, driven to his knees by his wounds, "then destroy the Phoenix as well." The Dark Oracle of Fire laughed and the mountains creied out in fury. Now Tamori was truly free... 8<> DEAR TOGASHI ! ! ! >> hey at least we take em out as well. Mirumoto Jon Dragon Clan Berserker*Tattooed Madman*Crab clan From MechWar13 at aol.com Wed Nov 27 16:12:15 2002 From: MechWar13 at aol.com (MechWar13@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:15 2003 Subject: [dragon] Luck of the draw Message-ID: <1bd.15cdb673.2b168f2f@aol.com> well today I just bought my first Gold edition packs, I just picked up two from each set to support the game. especially since it's a bit late and expensive to try and get caught up before the reset. Well I picked up a Foil Ki Rin's Shrine, a Foil Satsu, Two Tsuges, One Zenko, Two Aid of the Grand master's, a moth tattoo, and a Hiroko. From dhanauer at vt.edu Wed Nov 27 17:42:15 2002 From: dhanauer at vt.edu (Donald Hanauer, II) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:15 2003 Subject: [dragon] Rules Question - Alliance In-Reply-To: <005601c29627$06162240$ae92dc18@midco.net> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20021127174215.007af100@mail.vt.edu> At 09:09 AM 11/27/02 -0600, you wrote: >Our local TO told me that Alliance no longer works on Monks as they are not >a valid choice in the Gold arch. Is this correct? This one card could >greatly speed up many of our decks...especially the ones I've been playing. This is incorrect. Though they do not have Strongholds in Gold Toturi's Army, Monk, Ninja, Naga, and Spirit are still viable options for declaring an Alliance. >Hitomi Jaek >Dragon Clan Laughseeker * Shugenja * Monk * Tattooed > >"You know you're overly analytical when someone says, > 'You think too much!' and you ask, 'What does that mean?'" > > >_______________________________________________ >Dragon mailing list >Dragon@michonline.com >http://michonline.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dragon > Mirumoto Taikishi Dragon Clan Duelist * Toturi's Army Samurai * Wolf Legion Bounty Hunter #486 From Togashiheijin at aol.com Wed Nov 27 19:06:37 2002 From: Togashiheijin at aol.com (Togashiheijin@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:15 2003 Subject: [dragon] FOU Spoiler Message-ID: <7e.31b30b25.2b16b80d@aol.com> In a message dated 11/26/02 11:19:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, box@metrocast.net writes: > Sorry. So don't bother dueling with him, because his Chi will go > down every time your opponent focuses, essentially rendering your > focussed cards at a -1. > Tachiyama + Iaijutsu Art = Ring of Fire. For Art he rocks the house. Togashi Heijin Dragon Clan Monk * Tattooed * Angry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20021127/327cd2f0/attachment.html From jake2002 at sio.midco.net Wed Nov 27 21:22:22 2002 From: jake2002 at sio.midco.net (Eric Jacobson) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:15 2003 Subject: [dragon] FOU Spoiler References: <7e.31b30b25.2b16b80d@aol.com> Message-ID: <01a501c2968d$5dbcbac0$ae92dc18@midco.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: Togashiheijin@aol.com To: dragon@michonline.com Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [dragon] FOU Spoiler In a message dated 11/26/02 11:19:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, box@metrocast.net writes: Sorry. So don't bother dueling with him, because his Chi will go down every time your opponent focuses, essentially rendering your focussed cards at a -1. Tachiyama + Iaijutsu Art = Ring of Fire. For Art he rocks the house. Yeah. And despite that, it will only go down for every 2 cards your opponent focuses, so: You I Art early with our little Mirumoto friend. Pick someone with 3 chi. Your opponent will likely still have 8 cards in hand. The duel before focus now stands at their 3 chi to your 6 chi. They focus, you now have 5 chi. If they focused a 6, they only have 9. You can focus a 4 to tie that. Odds are, you will win and be able to play the Ring of Fire. Iaijutsu Art, for many reasons has just become shamefully easy for us. Hitomi Jaek Dragon Clan Laughseeker * Shugenja * Monk * Tattooed "You know you're overly analytical when someone says, 'You think too much!' and you ask, 'What does that mean?'" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20021127/e377a86c/attachment.html From shines_through at hotmail.com Thu Nov 28 04:41:32 2002 From: shines_through at hotmail.com (Seth Grier) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:16 2003 Subject: [dragon] Gold Schemein' Message-ID: >From: "Eric Jacobson" *big snip* >Let us know how it continues to perform... Well, I would have to say this gold scheme rocks. I'm really quite happy with this gold scheme, something I haven't been with gold scheme's in quite a while. I got a chance to playtest it some more against a couple different decks And in my opinion this scheme is running far superior to the one I was using with sancts AND Fg's a few weeks ago. It speeds up the personality buying which increses your honor gains throughout. Also it helps me cycle my dynasty alot quicker and I get those FG's out to help me along and as Barry said, "stabalize" my deck. Not to mention the extra gold for fate actions...actually I just seem to have alot of gold most of the time anyhow. almost always too much towards the end...well, too much if I've lost a province or two. The biggest difference I'm seeing is in production, it smooths it out and I'm getting alot MORE personalities out FASTER. All in all I'd say this gold scheme is great and continues to perform solidly the more and more I playtest it. It's great stuff and I would recommend anyone trying to run with out those oh so cumbersome, some might call it versitale, Sanctified Temples. -Mirumoto Kieken "He who spits at God, spits in his own face." _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From box at metrocast.net Wed Nov 27 23:05:25 2002 From: box at metrocast.net (Ha Ha Ha) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:16 2003 Subject: [dragon] Interesting deck concept...experimental In-Reply-To: <002301c29625$ddadb3a0$ae92dc18@midco.net> Message-ID: > Okay, how about this (untested as yet): > > Shiro Tamori (as spoiled)- Sezaru > > Hoshi Tadao x3 > Tamori Chieko x3 > Mirumoto Rosanjin x3 > Togashi Kansuke x3 > Tamori Hiroko x2 > Tamori Shaitung x1 > Tamori Shaitung xp > Hoshi Esai > Hoshi Wayan > Hitomi Kagetora xp > Togashi Hoshi > - This could use some real work Yup, it could. Allow me a couple of suggestions. Tadaox3 might be too many for his HR. Sure, you can always pitch, but you will only really ever need one of him in play to throw a Ring down. I'd cut to two copies of him. You have a good number of Spells, and Chieko is cheap, but she's only 1F and this is military. I'd cut her to two copies. Rosanjin is a bargain. Kansuke is golden. Keep them. Hirokox2 is bare minimum for a Shiro Tamori deck. I'd cycle in another Shaitung, because she's got solid Force. Your Uniques look pretty good. I'd try to make room for Kaelung, who is well-costed and can Palm Strike, and who also is Tattooed. I'd also try to make room for a few Vedau, who, despite the cost of using his ability, can take a Province pretty easily with minimal Fate support necessary. Nyima is also underused but a staple military/Tattooed military Personality. He gets bigger for free, is cheap as dirt (one Gold Mine). > Trading Grounds x3 > Gold Mine x3 > Jade Works x3 > Hiruma Dojo x3 > Gold Smith x1 > Sanc Temples x2 > Gifts and Favors x2 > Bushi Dojo x2 > Oracle of Water Gold scheme looks okay, for the most part. You only run four Followers, so I'd pitch the Bushi Dojos. A farmer is only 2G. I'd also get rid of Goldsmith - its bad news. As far as other Dojos go, you have seven Samurai and ten Shugenja. Guess which Dojo I'd use. Here's a pretty decent gold scheme for a military deck which uses a Personality base like yours: GMx3 JWx3 MDx3 G&Fx2 SotSx3 and maybe consider Shintao or Shinmaki. In the end, I'd recommend no fewer than 16 and no more than 18 Gold-producing Holdings. > Imperial Gift > Farmlands x2 Gift for what? You don't even have the Celestial Sword. Swap with In Time of War. > Naga Tattoo x2 > Superior Tactics x3 > Gift of the Water Dragon x2 > Ring of Water > Ring of Void > Walking the Way x2 > Sneak Attack x3 > Fight to the Setting Sun x2 > Jaws of Victory x2 > Rallying Cry x3 > Hummingbird Tattoo x3 > Palm Strike x3 > Charge x3 > Purity of Spirit x3 > Chasing Osano-Wo x3 > Biting Steel x2 > Energy Transference x2 > Heavy Infantry x3 > Mirumoto House Guard > I Challenge x3 > I Duel x2 > Test of Might x2 > Shame x2 > Torrential Rain x2 Okay, Fate side might need some help. I'll start at the top. You might actually have too much movement in there! Remember that the Naga Tattoo is reusable! 3 copies and 3 coppies of Sup Tacts should be plenty of movement; eventually, they just won't have other Provinces to move to. If you switch to some Nyima and Kansuke and Vedau action, you'll be able to use the Naga more reliably. So I guess I'd choose either Tattood movement backed up by Sup Tacts or Gift of the Water Dragon movement backed up by Sup Tacts. Having all three sorts in there - on TOP of the Ring of Water/Tadao action - might be too much. Adjust Personality base to suit. Fight to the Setting Sun / Jaws of Victory combo, again, looks very interesting, and you need to tell me how it goes. I will guarantee you that 3xRally and 3xHummingbird will be too much. I almost never use Rallies for decks which have Huhmmingbirds. Here's why. Often, all you need to discourage an attack against you is one or two beefy guys unbowed. Followers or no, you will still have Presence and some Force pumps (Mountain Tattoo, Vedau, items, Spells, etc.), and that is all that it will usually take. If the game has gone to where you both have built huge armies, then you only have the Hummingbird Tattoo guys unbowed - you're going to lose a Province. So what? You can afford to give one or two away in a military deck much more than in an honour deck. You can defend for a duel/PK/Palm Strike, or just let him get a Province. Then he's bowed-out (barring him having one of his three Rallies in hand). The chances are that it won't matter, because he will either have convinced himself not to attack (because you have a beefy guy or two available), or that he will and you'll lose a whole one Province, but you'll smash him next turn or on a Counterattack. Speaking of which, that card has won me lots of games. Palm Strike is great for Kansuke, Eisai, Hoshi, Wayan, and Kaelung. I'd lower to two, though, since that's only seven or eight Personalities in the deck who can use it. Charge ... eh ... Strength of Purity for Rosanjin and Kansuke. Turn one Rosanjin. Turn two discard to Tamori, SoP = 7F. Purity of Spirit is nice on offense. Tell me how it goes, although I'm a little leery of it. Chasing Osano-Wo is what this SH was made for. I can't wait to get the SH at our pre-release, this Saturday! Biting Steel! Nice to see someone else use it. It's 1FV, sure, but you'll have put that cheap-ass Spell into play WELL before you ever think of focussing it away! Back in Open, we had a Dragon player whose deck DESTROYED the competition, despite it having pretty much only HE-and-earlier cards in it. It was the original switch deck - it could (and did) win by honour (Hoshi, Yoshi, duels, Sukune, Daini, Uso, battles), by military, and even by Enlightenment. Sick. Good Spell. Tell me how Energy Transference works out for oyu. Heavy Infantry is essential beef. Mirumoto House Guard I'd hold off on. 3xChallenge? Sure, the Duels and Mights are military, but Challenges? I'd yank. Yes, you can win easy duels against wimpy-Chi Personalities for quick honour gains and PK without needing to run any duel support at all, but that's eight duels in this deck with no support! I'd remove the Shames at the same time. Torrential? Eh? I don't get it. > Can pitch some unneeded vs honor or military, but still quite a bit > heavier > than I'd like. Can't wait until Sunday when I will get the cards I > need to > playtest this! Good luck, and keep me informed! I've noticed that you and I operate along similar wavelengths when it comes to decks; I'd like to hear how this one goes for you. >>> Thoughts? Ice Cream? >> >> Grape juice! > > Applesauce! ;) So ... who are you, really? I'm starting to get scared. Pants? > Hitomi Jaek > Dragon Clan Laughseeker * Shugenja * Monk * Tattooed -T Togashi Ashido Dragon Clan Monk * Tattooed * Experienced The Wandering Monk * Unique From TattooedSamurai at cs.com Thu Nov 28 04:27:43 2002 From: TattooedSamurai at cs.com (TattooedSamurai@cs.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:16 2003 Subject: [dragon] the moon? Message-ID: <1bd.15dc69c3.2b173b8f@cs.com> so they plan on onnotangu coming back ? i am not sure i like the way story is going. maybe we will have athousand years of darkness regardless. Hitomi Kenryoku Dragon Clan Hitoden * Samurai * Tattooed * Double Chi * Tactician DR++++ S++ G++ Y+ M+ H+ E(3) O+ EJ+ SJ+ I+ C+++ E+ U- - T- D+ K - H++ TK- !IC U+++ From togashilove at hotmail.com Thu Nov 28 12:25:15 2002 From: togashilove at hotmail.com (John Panagiotakis) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:16 2003 Subject: [Dragon] Unravelling Message-ID: Greetings, While at the Jade Hand page, I noticed the following card: Unravelling (UNCONFIRMED) 2G Reaction: Bow this Shugenja to cancel a Spell or Kiho. "I would help you master the Last Wist, Aikune," Ningen said. "I am not like the others. I, like you, am a Shiba and bear you no grudge." "Then make your case quickly," Aikune replied. 3F It's still unconfirmed, alas if it does see print then we got ourselves a nice Sun in the Shadows in spell mode which cancels and spells! Whoa, you can hoose your opponent's Walking the Way, Torrential Rain (!!), Hanabi, Touch of Death, The Wind's Truth, etc. I don't know about my Honor deck but this card will get at least 2 copies in my military deck. What do you think? ___Togashi Agozatsu___ *Dragon Clan Samurai*Monk*Tattooed* Acolyte_of_Maths*Storyteller*exp* *Will only join the Dragon or Scorpion clan* "Each path that is true is dangerous. If there is no one to bar your way, no challenge to overcome, then you know that the choice is honorless." -Hitomi ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From ramela at cs.helsinki.fi Thu Nov 28 13:34:24 2002 From: ramela at cs.helsinki.fi (Anssi Ramela) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:16 2003 Subject: [Dragon] Unravelling References: Message-ID: <003d01c296d2$1a2ab420$085b030a@helia.amk> > It's still unconfirmed, alas if it does see print then we got ourselves a > nice Sun in the Shadows in spell mode which cancels and spells! Whoa, you > can hoose your opponent's Walking the Way, Torrential Rain (!!), Hanabi, > Touch of Death, The Wind's Truth, etc. I don't know about my Honor deck but > this card will get at least 2 copies in my military deck. What do you think? Unravelling can cancel other Unravellings...... I think we might see the kinds of "Counter Wars" that I used to see when playing M:tG. When you get into a situation with Unravellings on both sides of the table, be mindful of the following things: Does the matcup revolve around a spell(s) or non spell cards? What does your opponent think the matchup revolves around? Can you turn your opponent's Unravellings into dead cards by not using spells or replacing them with discard/Hiroko, for example? Which spells are key enough to get another spells canceled in order to force them through? We have Shaitung, (and Bounless Sight) they propably don't. :) Anssi Ramela From kitsuki_nugamo at hotmail.com Thu Nov 28 04:41:27 2002 From: kitsuki_nugamo at hotmail.com (Kitsuki Nugamo) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:16 2003 Subject: [dragon] The Kitsuki and The Hoshi[Rich&Shawn?] Message-ID: Have the Hoshi been absorbed into the Dragon? I know that in Rokugan, it says that they want to remain separate from the Dragon(or something like that), but out of the 3(as of FOU 4) gold legal Hoshi, only 1 isn't a Dragon. Is their leader the only one that doesn't know that they are in the Dragon? And are the Kitsuki even existent anymore? I know there have never been a huge amount of them in the game, what 4 since Imperial? Are they being replaced with the Hoshi as the fifth Dragon family? It seems that when the Dragon got their Courtier, it could have been a Kitsuki... Just curious... From firek2 at wp.pl Thu Nov 28 23:25:31 2002 From: firek2 at wp.pl (Firek) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:16 2003 Subject: [dragon] Draw them out Message-ID: <003d01c2972d$11f0a020$5e1ea8c0@BMJ.net.pl> I wonder what do you thing of Draw them out card. My friend has almost kill me with it on campsite and with stolen records combo. I works pretty well when I stay with one or two cards in hand and he was attacking one of mine provinces. Firek Mirumoto Togai Dragon Clan Samurai*Emerald Magistrate -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20021128/9b3e3714/attachment.html From mirumotokojiro at ihug.com.au Fri Nov 29 09:13:12 2002 From: mirumotokojiro at ihug.com.au (Mirumoto Kojiro) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:16 2003 Subject: [dragon] Re: Names References: <20021126124055.31332.96601.Mailman@michonline.com> Message-ID: <003701c29730$4ee12ec0$c400a8c0@gir> Hello all, The best translation I have found for Togashi is '10 starving', (to =10, gashi = death by starvation). Seems to fit pretty well. Mirumoto Kojiro Honourable Dragon Clan Samurai From barryakunz at hotmail.com Thu Nov 28 17:49:58 2002 From: barryakunz at hotmail.com (Barry Kunz) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:16 2003 Subject: [dragon] Draw them out Message-ID: >From: "Firek" > >I wonder what do you thing of Draw them out card. >My friend has almost kill me with it on campsite This can be a pain but you have to get used to winning without campsite in cases where friends decide to start using that kind of meta against you. >and with stolen records combo. This combo no longer works. Draw Them Out has been errated to only affect draws caused by the playing being targeted by Draw Them Out. Since Stolen Records is caused by your opponent, it isn't legal to use Draw Them Out to nuke your hand. >I works pretty well when I stay with one or two cards in hand and he was >attacking one of mine provinces. > >Firek >Mirumoto Togai >Dragon Clan Samurai*Emerald Magistrate Barry Kunz Togashi Zembu Herald of the New Dawn _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From mirumoto_ryudo at hotmail.com Thu Nov 28 23:19:09 2002 From: mirumoto_ryudo at hotmail.com (Steven LaFollette) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:16 2003 Subject: [dragon] All Tamori Military (please comment as necessary) Message-ID: This crazy idea popped into my head about 3 months ago and I have been waiting for a card to make this deck really work. That card is Shiro Tamori. With that, I give you the all Tamori Military deck. This is extremely untested and feel free to make all the commentary you want :) Shiro Tamori Toturi Sezaru Dynasty: 42 3x Gold Mine 3x Small Farm 3x Large Farm 3x Jade Works 3x Mystic Dojo 1x Gifts and Favors 2x Fortress of the Dragonfly 3x Shaitung 3x Hiroko 3x Chieko 3x Chosai 3x Tsukiro 2x Shukuen Shaitung xp 1x Lady Kitsune 3x Farmlands Imperial Gift In Time of War Fate: 42 2x Superior Tactics 2x Rallying Cry 3x Tsudao's Challenge 2x Arrival at the Imperial Gates 2x A Test of Courage 3x Strength of Purity 3x Sneak Attack 2x Family Tactics 3x Armor of Sun Tao 1x Celestial Sword of the Dragon Clan 2x Chasing Osano-Wo 2x Walking the Way 2x Biting Steel 3x Scout 3x Gunso 3x Elite Spearmen 3x Elite Light Infantry Ring of Void Thanks, Mirumoto Ryudo Dragon Clan Samurai. Experienced. Togashi's Secretary. *Male*. Dragon Clan Flatterer. The Platinum Dragon. Can attach 2 Weapons. Unique. "Victory means nothing, the fight is everything." _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From mlevoyageur at libertysurf.fr Fri Nov 29 13:48:26 2002 From: mlevoyageur at libertysurf.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?mlevoyageur@libertysurf.fr?=) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:16 2003 Subject: [dragon] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:[dragon]_All_Tamori_Military_(please_comment_as_necessary)?= Message-ID: why on earth do you play 3 armor of sun tao ?? there doesn?t seem to be that much terrain in you deck... Sneak attack : why ? One suggestion : why don?t you play shrine of stone ? If you played 2 more spells, I think you might add 2 scroll cache in order to enhance your card draw. Anyway, thanks all the same: I?ve been thinking for quite a will on several military decks as well as en enlightenment one and you gave me some more things to think about... One last thing : why don?t you play stand vs the waves ? Hitomi Ryokosha Dragon clan traveler tattooed samurai exp mirumoto ryokosha will certainly not join a phoenix clan player will most gladly join a mantis clan player for 2 less gold. ---------- Initial Header ----------- From KEVHC at aol.com Fri Nov 29 16:48:48 2002 From: KEVHC at aol.com (KEVHC@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:16 2003 Subject: [dragon] CT/NY prerelease Message-ID: <55.32534f51.2b193ac0@aol.com> Meriden is having one at DJs comics at 11:30 KC -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20021129/868a16b8/attachment.html From akodojed at hotmail.com Fri Nov 29 21:43:40 2002 From: akodojed at hotmail.com (Jed Carleton) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:16 2003 Subject: [dragon] Test of the Topaz Champion in Blue Springs, Missouri! Message-ID: From damnukids at yahoo.com Fri Nov 29 20:49:53 2002 From: damnukids at yahoo.com (M S Colson) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:17 2003 Subject: [dragon] Weekly Fiction #50 Message-ID: <20021130044953.54828.qmail@web12705.mail.yahoo.com> A Matter of Loyalty By Shawn Carman In an instant, Akodo Kaneka was wide-awake. His breathing remained deep and even, and he did not move. To anyone looking, it would seem as if he was still fast asleep. Something had awakened him, and he suspected treachery was at its root. The moon was not visible through his window, meaning that it was still late at night. There was no reason for anyone to be near his chambers. There. The faintest of sounds, coming from across the room. It was the rustling of cloth as someone took a cautious, stealthy step toward him. Most would have missed so soft a sound even when awake. Akodo Kaneka was not most men, however, and now he knew exactly where his attacker was. Turning slowly, as if tossing about in his sleep, Kaneka rolled toward the side of his mat where his katana lay resting upon its stand. Just as a sleeping man would settle back into his mat, Kaneka suddenly rolled quickly off into the floor and crossed the distance between his mat and the stand in a flash of movement. He felt the cold, comforting weight of his blade’s saya and heard a hushed curse from across the room. Armed and alert, Akodo Kaneka turned to face his would-be assassin. To his surprise, he found that there were three men in his chambers, each wrapped from head to toe in dark cloth and each with a blade drawn. “Well done,” he said. “Few men would be able to reach my private chambers given how many sentries stand on guard in this castle. Fewer still could come so close to their objective. But one of you is a clumsy fool, and you will all pay the price for that one’s idiocy.” The middle of the three men glanced harshly once at the man on his left, then back at Kaneka. “Kill him quickly,” he said to his companions. “We have little time.” The other two immediately spread out across the room, moving on opposite sides of Kaneka in an attempt to flank him. With the three of them against one, Kaneka acknowledged that it was the best available strategy, but one that would fail. No man would stand against the Shogun and live. The assassin on the left lunged in, drawing Kaneka’s attention. Even as he turned to intercept, he could see the other moving in behind him to take advantage of his unguarded back. In a single, deft motion, Kaneka drew his katana from its saya, lashing out with the wooden sheath in his left hand to strike the first assassin’s blade with such force that it was ripped from his grasp and clattered to the floor. The Shogun did not stop there, however, but allowed the force of his strike to continue spinning him to his right, bending at the waist and kicking out with his left foot. His kick caught the first foe low in the stomach and drove him back against the chamber’s wall with bone-shaking force. Even as the first man struck the wall, Kaneka felt the blade of the assassin behind him pass inches over his now bent torso. Had he remained in an upright fighting posture, he would have surely been wounded badly, perhaps killed, by such a strike. Unfortunately for his attacker, however, Kaneka had anticipated the strike. Still spinning from his saya strike to the first assassin, the Shogun let the spin give his strike additional power, slicing through the man’s torso easily. He died with a soft, surprised gasp and the faint sound of blood splattering on the wooden floor. Kaneka finished his spin and straightened to his full height. Almost casually, he turned and drove his blade through the first assassin, who had just begun to rise from where he had slumped against the wall, pinning him there. He fixed the last man with an emotionless glare. “Your men are dead. You will follow them.” “I don’t think so,” hissed the man. He feinted toward the door as if to run, then suddenly withdrew a small knife from his belt and hurled it at Kaneka. The dim light allowed the Shogun the briefest glimpse of the pale green glint on the steel edge of the blade. He spun again, this time to his left and away from the blade. For the second time in less than a minute, he felt the stirring of air as steel passed within an inch of his flesh. Kaneka finished his spin and loosed his saya, sending in whirling across the room to strike the last assassin squarely in the face. The crack of wood on bone assured Kaneka that his enemy would not soon recover. Kaneka had crossed the room before the man even hit the floor. He tore the assassin’s blade away with brutal force, then knelt and clasped the man’s throat in one powerful hand. “No one threatens my life and lives. No one.” A sudden blow from behind staggered Kaneka and sent him rolling away from the head assassin. Recovering, he saw that, to his amazement, the man he had pinned to the wall had torn himself free and was lunging after him with his blade held in his single functioning arm. Behind him, the lead assassin leapt nimbly out the window and disappeared into the treetops below. Bellowing in rage, Kaneka forsook his weapon and lunged forward, colliding with the one remaining assailant and sending them both to the floor. He grabbed his enemy’s weapon hand a crushed with all his strength, feeling the bones in the man’s hand crack and shatter in his iron grip. Once the weapon was gone, he quickly shifted his grip to the man’s throat, just as he had done to the escaped assassin. “Wait,” rasped the man. “If you kill me, you’ll never know who sent us!” “I will find that out on my own, fool,” Kaneka snarled. He tightened his grip, felt the man’s windpipe collapse in his clutches, and then released, allowing the dead man’s head to rap sharply against the floor. A pair of guards burst into the room, blades drawn. Both bore Lion mons. They took a quick assessment of the room, lowered their blades, and bowed. “Six sentries have been found killed, Shogun,” one offered. “Poisoned darts.” “Have them replaced, and double the guard until further notice. One of them escaped.” Kaneka glanced around the room and, almost as an afterthought, added “And summon someone to clean up this mess. I will be moving to vacant quarters until this place has been purified.” As he expected, the entire compound was talking about the attack when morning arrived. If the men sworn to his service held true to form, then Kaneka could expect to find most of them with one of two opinions on the attack. Most would be outraged that anyone would dare assault their lord in his own home. A smaller contingent would be horrified at the very idea, believing themselves somehow at least partially responsible because of some perceived failure on their part. Both could be used to his advantage. A few harsh words and a vow to hunt down those responsible would instill in his outraged troops a frenzied devotion that would only cement their profession of loyalty to his cause. A baleful glare to those overwhelmed with guilt would cause them to redouble their efforts to serve him with honor and distinction. Either way, the Shogun would benefit. As it should be. Still, there were other opportunities to be had in the midst of such an event. Kaneka was considering the possibilities even as one of his advisors joined him on the balcony overlooking his training grounds. “Good morning, Shogun,” the man said in a perfectly calm voice, his long white hair blowing in the wind. “Midoru,” Kaneka acknowledged. “I trust you’re well this morning.” “Indeed. And better rested than you, from what I hear.” As usual, the Crane’s voice betrayed no hint of humor or mischievousness, only a flat assessment of the situation. “It seems the castle is not as safe as perhaps we had imagined.” “So it seems,” Kaneka agreed. “Few men could have achieved such a feat, however. The cunning and speed to penetrate my defenses so easily are rare. Where were you last night, Midoru?” “In my chambers.” Midoru showed no sign of surprise or offense at Kaneka’s question. The Shogun grunted in assent. “Of all the men in my command, Midoru, you are one of the few I feel certain will always speak the truth. Why is that?” “If you were a man that could be so easily deceived, then I would not waste my time in your service.” The Crane warrior turned to face Kaneka, his strange gray eyes as empty and deep as the Void. “I have little patience for fools, regardless of their rank.” Kaneka nodded mutely. He and the Crane were alike in many ways, even more so than Midoru realized. The Water Dragon’s gifts to Kaneka had been many, and he could perceive the strange abilities Midoru possessed, even if the Crane did not understand them fully himself. “Someone in my army has betrayed me, Midoru. They must be found, and an example must be made. You will aid me in this.” He smiled grimly at the Crane. “As a show of your loyalty.” Midoru inclined his head respectfully and without expression. “As you command, Shogun.” “Akodo Ijiasu,” Kaneka said to the samurai who stood waiting while the Shogun sat down for a late morning meal. “The sentries who were killed last night, allowing assassins into my private chambers, were almost all Lion from your command.” He met Ijiasu’s eyes with an almost casual look. “Why was this allowed to happen?” The young Lion’s face was torn between rage and shame. “I am disgraced, my lord Kaneka-sama. My men failed in their duty, and so I have failed as well. If it is your wish, I will gladly perform the three cuts to atone for my dishonor.” Kaneka waved the suggestion away negligently. “Seppuku is not an acceptable answer. Any simpleton can escape his fate that way, but I do not believe you are a simpleton. And I have no wish to draw Ginawa’s ire for having seen one of his finest students throw his life away pointlessly.” He regarded Ijiasu curiously as he enjoyed a small bowl of rice. “I will be replacing the night guards with Scorpion bushi from Higatsuku’s contingent,” he said finally. “Perhaps they will have more luck in ferreting out skulking assassins, since they are little better themselves.” “The Scorpion!” burst Ijiasu, his color rising. “My lord, you cannot be serious! Think of the risk! They cannot be trusted!” “I trust Higatsuku,” Kaneka countered. “He has never failed me. I trust you as well, Ijiasu, but you have failed me.” He let his words sink in for a moment, allowing the Lion tactician the briefest moment of despair before beckoning him forward and leaning in to speak in low, conspiratorial tones. “I am Shogun, Ijiasu. I cannot… I will not show favor, even to my own family. If I am to trust you with an important duty again, you must show our forces that you are worthy of my trust and theirs. Do you understand?” “Yes, Shogun!” Ijiasu’s face was a mask of determination. He bowed deeply and turned to leave. From TattooedSamurai at cs.com Sun Dec 1 02:17:34 2002 From: TattooedSamurai at cs.com (TattooedSamurai@cs.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:17 2003 Subject: [dragon] mirumoto tachiyama? Message-ID: i have a question on his ability. it reads: "while opposed by one or more personalities in battle or duel, tachiyama gains a force and chi bounus equal to half the number of cards in the opposing players hand, rounded down". my question is if i challange that person to a duel, or while i am in battle and they are discarding cards, as the actions proceed as normal, does his "bounus" deplete? From teiran at prodigy.net Sun Dec 1 02:28:36 2002 From: teiran at prodigy.net (Teiran) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:18 2003 Subject: [dragon] mirumoto tachiyama? References: Message-ID: <000e01c29913$e2f91c00$858ffea9@dragon> Yep, afraid so. but, as a side bonus, Hoshi Chachi, the new unique monk, gets a boost anytime he bows. and if the kiho he's performing, say, like chasing osono wo, uses chi or force, he gets the bonus for the action cause he's bowed. -Togashi Teiran Tattooed Monk * Samurai We are the Dragon, We make our own path. ----- Original Message ----- From: > i have a question on his ability. > it reads: "while opposed by one or more personalities in battle or duel, > tachiyama gains a force and chi bounus equal to half the number of cards in > the opposing players hand, rounded down". my question is if i challange > that person to a duel, or while i am in battle and they are discarding cards, > as the actions proceed as normal, does his "bounus" deplete? > > From togashilove at hotmail.com Sun Dec 1 20:05:40 2002 From: togashilove at hotmail.com (John Panagiotakis) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:18 2003 Subject: [Dragon] Snake Tattoo Message-ID: Greetings, While at the dragonstrategy, I noticed that our second tattoo is called "Snake". Anyone knows what it does exactly? (and maybe has a picture of it? 8>) Thanks in advance! ___Togashi Agozatsu___ *Dragon Clan Samurai*Monk*Tattooed* Acolyte_of_Maths*Storyteller*exp* *Will only join the Dragon or Scorpion clan* "Each path that is true is dangerous. If there is no one to bar your way, no challenge to overcome, then you know that the choice is honorless." -Hitomi ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From ikemook at msn.com Sun Dec 1 15:12:53 2002 From: ikemook at msn.com (David Carlson) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:18 2003 Subject: [dragon] mirumoto tachiyama? Message-ID: As another bonus for Hoshi Chuichi: Chuichi + Footman's Pike (Battle: Bow this personality to reduce an opposing personality's force by this personality's Chi. +1F weapon) Chuichi bows, goes up +2/+2, reduces some poor peeps Force by 6, and STILL contributes 5F to the battle. --David Carlson Administration, Shiro Kijin http://ikemook.tripod.com >From: "Teiran" >Reply-To: dragon@michonline.com >To: >Subject: Re: [dragon] mirumoto tachiyama? >Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 02:28:36 -0600 > > >Yep, afraid so. but, as a side bonus, Hoshi Chachi, the new unique monk, >gets a boost anytime he bows. and if the kiho he's performing, say, like >chasing osono wo, uses chi or force, he gets the bonus for the action >cause >he's bowed. > >-Togashi Teiran >Tattooed Monk * Samurai > >We are the Dragon, We make our own path. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: > > > > i have a question on his ability. > > it reads: "while opposed by one or more personalities in battle or duel, > > tachiyama gains a force and chi bounus equal to half the number of cards >in > > the opposing players hand, rounded down". my question is if i >challange > > that person to a duel, or while i am in battle and they are discarding >cards, > > as the actions proceed as normal, does his "bounus" deplete? > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Dragon mailing list >Dragon@michonline.com >http://michonline.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dragon _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From mkd8 at cornell.edu Sun Dec 1 16:43:07 2002 From: mkd8 at cornell.edu (Matt Dalen) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:18 2003 Subject: [Dragon] Snake Tattoo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20021201164212.00b355c0@postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu> At 08:05 PM 12/1/2002 +0200, you wrote: >Greetings, > >While at the dragonstrategy, I noticed that our second tattoo is called >"Snake". Anyone knows what it does exactly? (and maybe has a picture of it? 8>) Snake Tattoo is basically Matsuo's ability. When you're targetted in battle, you can move to another battle, yadda yadda yadda. >Thanks in advance! > >___Togashi Agozatsu___ Tamori Shosei Matt Dalen From SLcpUnK420002 at aol.com Sun Dec 1 16:47:26 2002 From: SLcpUnK420002 at aol.com (SLcpUnK420002@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:18 2003 Subject: [Dragon] Snake Tattoo Message-ID: <10e.1af24364.2b1bdd6e@aol.com> In a message dated 12/1/2002 12:56:28 PM Central America Standard Ti, togashilove@hotmail.com writes: > While at the dragonstrategy, I noticed that our second tattoo is called > "Snake". Anyone knows what it does exactly? (and maybe has a picture of it? > > 8>) > > Thanks in advance! > > ___Togashi Agozatsu___ > *Dragon Clan Samurai*Monk*Tattooed* > Acolyte_of_Maths*Storyteller*exp* > *Will only join the Dragon or Scorpion clan* > "Each path that is true is dangerous. If there is no one to bar > your way, no challenge to overcome, then you know that the choice > is honorless." -Hitomi > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "Snake Tattoo: Limited:Bow one of your personalities with the Tattooed trait and without a snake tattoo.For the rest of the game the personality has a snake tattoo and the ability "Reaction:Once per turn,after an opponent targets this Personality with an action while he or she is in an army,move the personality to an adjacent province.If this personality is an illegal target for that action, cancel it" Mirumoto Jon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20021201/a0e7a994/attachment.html From jake2002 at sio.midco.net Sun Dec 1 20:48:33 2002 From: jake2002 at sio.midco.net (Eric Jacobson) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:18 2003 Subject: [dragon] Sioux Falls FOU Pre-Release Message-ID: <01f101c299ad$4e247800$ae92dc18@midco.net> I placed second at our local pre-release for Fall of Otosan Uchi. We threw dice one at a time to see which stronghold we got to play. For the third straight Dragon-oriented pre-release, fate smiled on me, and I got to play Dragon! I lost the first game by forgetting that I could assign Daisuke in the Cavalry phase! Ooops! Chalk it up to rust for not having played for over a month. With the hang of the new stronghold down and some good gold pulls (1 Gift and Favors is fixed in each starter) I won the next three fairly handily being able to work adequately with either military or honor. The semi's were easy as well. My only poor gold start (Gifts and Favors in the first 4 provinces!) in the finals cost me the promo for the Experienced Porcelain Mask of Fu Leng. I won't give a game by game breakdown, but rather, some general impressions. For military, run followers and Recruiting Drive. Use early force boosts and pitch expensive followers. Later play Recruiting Drive to capitalize on greater gold resources to play followers from your discard pile. Amazing synergy there as you can then actually consider to have a much larger fate hand than normal! This also allows us to get a leg up on bigger, but slower decks early; and then outforce them easily late-game. Mantis are going to be very difficult. Tsuruchi's Technique is very deadly and effective both early and late. I lost more than one Heavy Infantry to Spearmen. More ranged followers and the ability to take 2 actions by bowing a naval card...eek. The only good news is, our force bonus for discard helps to make ranged attacks less effective. Oh, yeah, and Shadowlands just got really scary. As in lots of new fear effects. Well, that's my general impression. I may post more after I get a chance to playtest. Hitomi Jaek Dragon Clan Laughseeker * Shugenja * Monk * Tattooed "You know you're overly analytical when someone says, 'You think too much!' and you ask, 'What does that mean?'" From SLcpUnK420002 at aol.com Sun Dec 1 22:10:19 2002 From: SLcpUnK420002 at aol.com (SLcpUnK420002@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:52:18 2003 Subject: [dragon] Sioux Falls FOU Pre-Release Message-ID: <5a.14df1829.2b1c291b@aol.com> In a message dated 12/1/2002 8:39:45 PM Central America Standard Tim, jake2002@sio.midco.net writes: > > I placed second at our local pre-release for Fall of Otosan Uchi. We threw > dice one at a time to see which stronghold we got to play. For the third > straight Dragon-oriented pre-release, fate smiled on me, and I got to play > Dragon! > > I lost the first game by forgetting that I could assign Daisuke in the > Cavalry phase! Ooops! Chalk it up to rust for not having played for over a > month. With the hang of the new stronghold down and some good gold pulls (1 > Gift and Favors is fixed in each starter) I won the next three fairly > handily being able to work adequately with either military or honor. The > semi's were easy as well. My only poor gold start (Gifts and Favors in the > first 4 provinces!) in the finals cost me the promo for the Experienced > Porcelain Mask of Fu Leng. I won't give a game by game breakdown, but > rather, some general impressions. > > For military, run followers and Recruiting Drive. Use early force boosts > and pitch expensive followers. Later play Recruiting Drive to capitalize > on > greater gold resources to play followers from your discard pile. Amazing > synergy there as you can then actually consider to have a much larger fate > hand than normal! This also allows us to get a leg up on bigger, but slower > decks early; and then outforce them easily late-game. > > Mantis are going to be very difficult. Tsuruchi's Technique is very deadly > and effective both early and late. I lost more than one Heavy Infantry to > Spearmen. More ranged followers and the ability to take 2 actions by bowing > a naval card...eek. The only good news is, our force bonus for discard > helps to make ranged attacks less effective. > > Oh, yeah, and Shadowlands just got really scary. As in lots of new fear > effects. > > Well, that's my general impression. I may post more after I get a chance to > playtest. > > Hitomi Jaek > Dragon Clan Laughseeker * Shugenja * Monk * Tattooed Thats lucky i had to play mantis and that sucked.Got nothing to use. placed somewhere around 25 of 32!Now i have to wait till the 9th to get my cards! 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